Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

[LTC8K6]

What are Glickman's qualifications to write such a paper or to analyze the PGF?

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
I think that's significant, especially since Kodiak does not.

I also point out that the reports on Admiralty are few when compared to POW and Revellagigedo.

So:

Revellagigedo/POW = scores of reports
Admiralty = a few reports
Kodiak = no reports

Now, what does that tell you?

I think the first thing it tells me is that if we are to accept these reports as legitimate than few or scores is irrelevant.

That's either an intellectual escape hatch, gross error, or outright stupidity.

If there are thousands of incidents of any phenomena in a particular location, and few in another, that's evidence. Plain and simple.

Collecting such data and analyzing it is basic research. The most basic research.

Intelligence 101.

If sasquatch exist on Admiralty Island than they are doing so with an approximated 1600 brown bears to share habitat with.

Correct, and in stark contrast with the Kodiak Archipelago.

Or is it?

The Alexander Archipelago (in which the ABC Islands exist) extends along the Southeast Alaskan "panhandle". The ABC islands are brown bear strongholds (despite their rainforest environments).

The Kodiak Archipelago?

It consists Kodiak Island (the 2nd largest island under the U.S. flag), Afognak Island, Shuyak Island, and a gang of smaller islands.

Plenty of rainfall, but no tall forests (thus, it's not a "temperate rainforest".........it's just a rainy hellhole like the rest of the Aleutian Peninsula/Chain, where there are also no reports of sasquatchery............imagine that..............)

The Kodiak Archipelago is stuck out in the Gulf of Alaska like a sore thumb. It's habitat is mixed. The northern islands (and northern quarter of Kodiak Island itself) is heavily forested.

The lower 3/4 of Kodiak Island itself is open brush, much like the Aleutian Peninsula/Chain to the immediate west.

That's classic brown bear country. In fact, it's the finest brown bear country to be found in North America. You have to go west to Kamchatka to find such wonderful brown bear habitat.

The brown bear habitat of the Lower 48 states was eradicated by humanity, and it was marginal habitat anyway (when compared to Alaska).

Did you know that 75% of North America's brown bears are currently in Alaska?

23% are in Canada (all in BC, Yukon, and a few in Alberta).

Can you do the math to figure out the remainder?

The rest of SE Alaska is the finest black bear habitat on Earth.

Do you think there are sasquatches on Admiralty Island?

I have no reason to doubt it.

(BTW, as we've both seen, the mood of the debate has elsewhere become vociferous and I'm not interested in pointing fingers but it's good to know that such will never be the case here.)

There's an old saying among us "activists":

You know you've cut the "beast" when he screams.

The louder he wails, the deeper you've cut.

I don't fear the dragon. I challenge him.

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.truthinjustice.org/02FPERT.htm

Looks like ACFE may not be much....

 

[kitakaze]

That's a claim.

Prove it.

Beware, there is ample evidence (even proof?) that your claim is very wrong.

I'd say I've no need to be wary as there's no reliable evidence for bigfoot. I'd say it's JMHO but it's not, it's a fact. I've said enough that I'd like for that to be otherwise but it will never change that fact.

 

[Huntster]

So, big bears can be hard to kill. We know that. They can also drop with the first hit.

You don't know squat. You don't seem to learn, either.

They can be killed by guns. They are affected by gunshot wounds. They do bleed when shot.

Same applies to cape buffalo and elephants, etc.

A deer can run quite a ways when fatally shot, too.

How hard is it to kill a big gorilla with a gun? That would seem to be the more valid comparison.

Actually, from my reading, gorillas go down fairly easily.

I wouldn't know, because (of course) gorilla hunting is illegal.

The point is that some "critters" (and not exclusive to brown bears) don't go down easily.

And when confronted with a critter that "doesn't exist", you shoot it, and it doesn't go down, the average Joe doesn't go poking about in the bush looking for it's bleeding, pissed off carcass.

If bigfoot exists, there is no reason that 5 shots in the chest area should not have put it down fairly quickly. Or 1 shot to the brain.

If bigfoot exists, there can be several very good reasons why 5 shots in the chest area should not have put it down fairly quickly.

BTW, did you get the caliber used in this "5 shots in the chest area"?

Now there are always your odd events or quirks of fate. People have been shot in the head with fairly weak rounds and the bullet just passed between the lobes and left them relatively unharmed.

Funny you should mention that.

The last time I was shot was in the head.

As far as I'm concerned, it wasn't "with a fairly weak round".

36 caliber, 68 grain (weighed and measured by me, and the offending projectile is still in my possession).

Weak rounds have failed to penetrate human skulls, too.

Some of us have hard heads.

 

[Huntster]

...I wonder if they brought any food?

They look well nourished, and I even see an aluminum can in hand (although it's not the blue/gold/red of a can of Foster's beer..........how such a crew can sustain themselves without a box of Foster's is beyond me...........)

 

[Mad Hom]

Yeah, it's "signifigant".

You'll never accept it (even though it's being force fed to you), but that's okay.

You don't matter, anyway.

You say that as if you matter either Fudd.

You are very astute in your observation though Fudster I won't accept anything but a dead Bigfeetsus...and neither should any other reasonable person.

Now about Glickman...couldn't we apply his theory to any of the other cryptids??

I mean like Chupacabras,the Jersey Devil,Werewolves,Mothman etc I'm sure with enough data points one could make the same case for them as the Glickmeister attempts to make for Bigfeetsus.

Glickman's theory means nothing to me Fudd. What means something is the fact that Bigfoot Nation has absolutely nothing to prove their pet Bleef actually exists....nothing in nearly 50 years (since the feetprints at the construction sight) so spout off at the piehole about Glickman and Native American legends as much as makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside Fudley.

It proves absolutely nothing.

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
Obviously, you have also failed to read Glickman.

Yet again, here is the link, and here (for the reading impaired) are the words:

Huntster, as a friend I admit I've yet to fully read Glickman.

Thank you for your kind words and friendship. I consider you to be my friend.

Once I attempt to do so, should I fail, I'll let you know.

It's not easy reading (obviously, since so many "intelligent" people here can't seem to consume it).

Go slowly and considerately. Glickman's analysis is unique. He is also among the few with enough scrotum to actually publish with his name attached.

Once I have read Glickman I'm wondering if I'll be more inclined to think sasquatches exist.

No guarantees there, but at least you'll get a good educated opinion.

You damned sure won't get that here.

You see, IMO, the further one carries a proponent position of bigfoot, the more complex the supportive arguments become.

No doubt about that.

Sometimes the truth is a difficult thing to hold on to.

None of it seems to compensate for the failure to identify a creature purported to inhabit a wide range of areas across North America.

I agree.

The opposition is very simple.

The opposition is amusingly "simple".

If we are to accept claims of a living species then that species must do the same as all comparable others. They must *****, live, fart, eat, breed, die, sleep, and otherwise carry on while doing all the extraordinary things that allows them to escape identification.

All correct.

And I submit to you that they have not escaped identification.

They have escaped identification with those who humanity has entrusted identification with.

So who's the monkey?

Next question:

In North America where do you think sasquatch does and does not exist?

I like Mangani's maps.

They were built on the basis of John Green's database.

Study them closely. There is much to be learned.

 

[JQH]

Exactly so Mad Hom. I find it difficult to believe that not one body of a bigfoot has ever turned up.

None shot by hunters.

None chewed up by bears or other predators.

None dropped dead of old age.

 

[Huntster]

....do you think bigfoot exists in New York State?

Nope.

 

[Huntster]

What are Glickman's qualifications to write such a paper or to analyze the PGF?

Greater than yours.

The mere fact that he put his name to the paper means you must recognize a scrotum.

 

[kitakaze]

That's either an intellectual escape hatch, gross error, or outright stupidity.

You asked me what it told me and I told you. It wasn't an escape, a gross error, or outright stupidity. It was my opinion that if reports are to be accepted as actual sightings of sasquatch then there number is irrelevant. If you are going to ask my thoughts in good faith then insult them then I'd say that you're letting your interactions with others on this board spoil ours which is truly regrettable.

If there are thousands of incidents of any phenomena in a particular location, and few in another, that's evidence. Plain and simple.

Absolutely it's evidence of a phenomenom but it will never by itself be reliable evidence of bigfoot.

I have no reason to doubt it.

So how are they coping with all those brown bears? They've apparently established a population on the island with the highest population density of brown bears. Those intolerable brown bears.

There's an old saying among us "activists":

You know you've cut the "beast" when he screams.

The louder he wails, the deeper you've cut.

I don't fear the dragon. I challenge him.

If you had something other than a spatula I'd be slashing away with you. I can't say that I'm happy that after all the vigourous opposition you've faced here that a gesture of frienship is met with a gesture of posturing. If I'd like to believe that bigfoot exists but I don't find the associated evidence persuasive I don't think that qualifies me as part of the beast. I'm only wailing for a reason to believe in bigfoot and so far I'm not getting it.

 

[Mad Hom]

You don't know squat. You don't seem to learn, either.

Fudd fancies himself the authority on all things bear and/or hunting apparently.

some "critters" (and not exclusive to brown bears) don't go down easily.

And when confronted with a critter that "doesn't exist", you shoot it, and it doesn't go down, the average Joe doesn't go poking about in the bush looking for it's bleeding, pissed off carcass.

Fudd you have know idea what the average Joe would do...stop assuming things.

If bigfoot exists, there can be several very good reasons why 5 shots in the chest area should not have put it down fairly quickly.

And there are several good reasons why it should have...so call it a stalemate I guess.

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
That's a claim.

Prove it.

Beware, there is ample evidence (even proof?) that your claim is very wrong.

I'd say I've no need to be wary as there's no reliable evidence for bigfoot.

That isn't the issue in question.

There is ample evidence that PNW Natives have both a deep and current belief in and recognition of sasquatches/kushtakas.

 

[kitakaze]

Nope.

Then maybe you could help explain to Sweaty Yeti why he and Joyce were mistaken. Did you catch any of that? It's been hard to miss.

 

[Mad Hom]

Greater than yours.

The mere fact that he put his name to the paper means you must recognize a scrotum.

Appeal to Authority much Fudd?!?!

Glickman writes a paper on your pet Bleef and that makes him Sir Smartie from Smarterthanu...whatever Fuddster.

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
Yeah, it's "signifigant".

You'll never accept it (even though it's being force fed to you), but that's okay.

You don't matter, anyway.

You say that as if you matter either Fudd.

I don't matter. I'm anonymous, just like you.

No balls. No qualifications.

No matter.

So, where are the folks who "matter"?

You are very astute in your observation though Fudster I won't accept anything but a dead Bigfeetsus...and neither should any other reasonable person.

Proof?

Yup. Nothing but a carcass or live specimen will do.

Evidence?

Sorry. There's plenty.

That's the difference between a skeptic and a denialist. But, then, I'd never assume you'd see that........

Now about Glickman...couldn't we apply his theory to any of the other cryptids??

I don't know.

Why don't you give it a try?

I mean like Chupacabras,the Jersey Devil,Werewolves,Mothman etc I'm sure with enough data points one could make the same case for them as the Glickmeister attempts to make for Bigfeetsus.

But nobody has.

Why don't you give it a try?

Glickman's theory means nothing to me Fudd.

Nothing means nothing to you, fool.

So?

What means something is the fact that Bigfoot Nation has absolutely nothing to prove their pet Bleef actually exists....

No proof = you're smart?

I'm impressed..............

.....so spout off at the piehole about Glickman and Native American legends as much as makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside Fudley.

It proves absolutely nothing.

I'm the first to point out that there is no "proof".

You're among the first to put the bad mouth on the evidence.

I feel comfortable.

You?

 

[kitakaze]

That isn't the issue in question.

There is ample evidence that PNW Natives have both a deep and current belief in and recognition of sasquatches/kushtakas.

IMO it's the only issue in question. The simplicity of the issue should be all that matters. If such creatures truly exist than interpretations of traditions that may or may not concern them should be of greater interest after they are identified.

It seems that you're putting all your cards on a PNW-only bigfoot. Am I mistaken?

 

[kitakaze]

Thank you for your kind words and friendship. I consider you to be my friend.

So do I but I'm choked at you right now so shut it.

And I submit to you that they have not escaped identification.

They have escaped identification with those who humanity has entrusted identification with.

And I thought I was so swift using 'identification' instead of 'detection'. Meh, semantics.

I like Mangani's maps.

They were built on the basis of John Green's database.

Study them closely. There is much to be learned.

That wasn't a direct answer to my question. I say that because you didn't link Mangani's maps.

 

[Mad Hom]

I don't matter. I'm anonymous, just like you.

No balls. No qualifications.

No matter.

So, where are the folks who "matter"?



Proof?

Yup. Nothing but a carcass or live specimen will do.

Evidence?

Sorry. There's plenty.

That's the difference between a skeptic and a denialist. But, then, I'd never assume you'd see that........



I don't know.

Why don't you give it a try?



But nobody has.

Why don't you give it a try?



Nothing means nothing to you, fool.

So?



No proof = you're smart?

I'm impressed..............



I'm the first to point out that there is no "proof".

You're among the first to put the bad mouth on the evidence.

I feel comfortable.

You?

Yes Fuddster I feel quite comfortable.

I put the bad mouth to the Bigfeetsus evidence mostly because as evidence goes...it sucks.

I am totally confident the Glick technique could be applied to any Cryptid with the requisite number of sightings. So when should we expect the Glick report on Chupacabra's Fudley??

Time keeps on passing and still no Bigfeetsus Fudd....wonder why that might be??

Possibly because there is no Bigfeetsus to be found?!?!

Time is your enemy Fudster...every day that goes by is another reason why Bigfeetsus doesn't exist. The fact that you like to interject folklore stretches the timeline out even further...100's of years have passed and still no Bigfeetsus.

I know I know it's the mean old scientists and their conspiracy against finding proof. Them mean old guys who just sit in their ivory towers...and don't go looking for Bigfeetsus..Damn them!!