Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[Christophera]

Nope... still no concrete core. I see some of the side panels, and I see some debris which appears to be a mixture of materials, some of which could be concrete from the FLOORS, but no concrete core in this image.

Either prove I am lying, or retract the argument. Post reported.

You are premature with your demands.

You ignore the grey, brown colored piece in the center, inside the perimeter walls.

Your must explain the grey brown cube streaming dust.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc2coreonto3.jpg

There is a floor facing right with light colored dust. To the left is a more brown colored cube shape.

That cube shape looks to be very heavy and the lighter floor and perimeter walls have been catching air, billowing out and are tearing completely away from the core, left behind the dense, plumeting concrete.

 

[Z]

Chris, is it grey, or is it brown? There's really no such tone as 'grey brown'.

Are you referring to this section, which appears to be a stack of floors?



Again, I see no concrete core structure, Chris. I've looked extremely closely at that image, tried a number of filters, sharpness, negatives... and I see absolutely no sign of a concrete core. I DO see outer spandrels, what appears to be a stack of floors tumbling aside to the left of the image, and a LOT of smoke and dust and debris.

But this again proves that there was no 'total pulverization'.

Further, you cannot judge weight by such an image, Chris. Now, if this is part of a video clip, THAT might be useful to see. But a static image - no good, Chris. There just isn't sufficient sign of any concrete core there, amigo.

So, we're still back to the basics: unless you can provide images of the concrete core during construction, YOU LOST. PERIOD.

 

[Jennie C.]

The true US government is prohibited from doing what you suggest. Infiltrators of the government could though.

Would you give a hint as to WHO has infiltrated? Please at least tell me it's not extra-terrestrials, I'd be so disappointed if it were.

(almost said aliens, but I don't mean mexicans)

 

[Christophera]

Chris, is it grey, or is it brown? There's really no such tone as 'grey brown'.

Are you referring to this section, which appears to be a stack of floors?

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There is one floor almost out of the picture on the right and it was lighter in color.

For that central object. Okay, brown. Mottled with both colors is perhaps more correct.

How do you interpret that as a "stack" of floors?

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc2coreonto3.jpg

I DO see outer spandrels,

Do you know what spandrels are?

 

[DontAskMe]

WAIT if there is a concrete core, or isnt, why not ask the people who built it, they would know, right? certainly someone has done that?

please dont tell me the people who built it say no concrete core, and they are in on it too? i am asking cuz I dont know...i still cant get passed the guy that says the planes hitting the towers were holograms

 

[Christophera]

WAIT if there is a concrete core, or isnt, why not ask the people who built it, they would know, right? certainly someone has done that?

please dont tell me the people who built it say no concrete core, and they are in on it too? i am asking cuz I dont know...i still cant get passed the guy that says the planes hitting the towers were holograms

As far as I know the people that built it do not respond to inquiry.

One did volenteer information. Of course it was on April fools day, so either someone was having a joke on us or Leslie Robertson wanted everyone to think it was a prank. Personally, I think it is Leslie Robertson who wrote this. If I was him I would be really bugged by what happen and would be looking for safe ways to help the truth.

Posting on April one helps as anything done on that day is self marginalizing. I include a link to the original post.


http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=3108&view=findpost&p=78752

Apr 1 2006, 06:33 PM
Leslie E. Robertson
Unregistered


Christophera is correct in stating that the Twin Towers were constructed with a concrete core. Although in my original design the core was to be a steel framed one that decision was overridden by Minoru Yamasaki the architect.

That core should have resisted the airplane impacts AND the fires. I have said nothing for four and a half years but can remain silent no longer. My belief is that only explosives could have caused WTC 1 & WTC 2 to collapse the way they did on September 11, 2001.

Leslie E. Robertson
Director Leslie E. Robertson Associates, R.L.L.P. and lead engineer of the World Trade Center

 

[DontAskMe]

We designed the towers to resist the accidental impact of a Boeing 707, perhaps lost in the fog while seeking to land. The impact of the Boeing 767s, commandeered by the terrorists, even though larger and flying much faster, was still unable to bring down the towers. The fire-resistive systems, however, did not and could not have contemplated the subsequent fire fueled by thousands of gallons of jet fuel.


http://www.lera.com/sep11.htm

this is his firm and what he and they say about it, sorry...your linked post is either a joke or an impostor

OK, I was curious, since I personally wouldnt believe anything this govt would tell me, I have now independently researched it and there is no question in my mind the planes both hit the buildings and caused their collapse

 

[uruk]

You are premature with your demands.

You ignore the grey, brown colored piece in the center, inside the perimeter walls.

Your must explain the grey brown cube streaming dust.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc2coreonto3.jpg

There is a floor facing right with light colored dust. To the left is a more brown colored cube shape.

That cube shape looks to be very heavy and the lighter floor and perimeter walls have been catching air, billowing out and are tearing completely away from the core, left behind the dense, plumeting concrete.

The brown slotted structure is the steel spandrel section. The "grey" slotted section is the aluminum decorative facade covering the steel.

 

[Christophera]

The brown slotted structure is the steel spandrel section. The "grey" slotted section is the aluminum decorative facade covering the steel.

OMG!

I cannot believe I've been arguing with somone who is as clueless as this.

The spandrel "plates" horizontally join the perimeter box columns. Near the center of the image below are 3 perimeter columns. The wide horizontal plate between them is the spandrel plate.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/docs/ssm/dsc00169.jpg

FYI, the the aluminum facade pieces fit over the outside of the perimeter box column and without the being afixed, it does not have the parallel apperance seen here.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc2coreonto3.jpg

The short straight pieces flying through space in the below image are what the facade pieces look like when loose.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/corefacesexploding.jpg

Both ZD and homer are in complete and dynamic error about the image showing part of the concrete core of the top of tower 2 as it falls on WTC 3

 

[Z]

Wrong - those are floors, Chris. But I used the wrong word - when I said 'spandrels' I meant facade. Simple glitch.

Certainly you don't believe the concrete core had all those regular slots along the lower portion - slots that look surprisingly like multiple stacks of floors?

Then again, you think C4 exposed to curing concrete can survive longer than it can sealed in cellophane or plastic... And since you never even took a high-school-level chem class, we know how much your opinion on chemical reactions matters.

Nevertheless, unless you can post images of the concrete core during construction, you've LOST. PERIOD.

 

[wizzertz]

Being a long time observer to this thread. I'm more convinced than ever that this is a lost argument. The core wasn't steel, but keep wasting your time, a busy twoofer is a good twoofer.

 

[Jennie C.]

Chris, I think you missed my questions:

Not sure exactly what your question is as there is nthing 2 x 2 involved.

And then to Gamolon

It seems as though your axis directions are reversed or lacking. Let me clarify.

The walls along the long axis were 12 foot thick
The walls along the short axis were 17 foot thick.
Both tapered to 2 foot thick at the top.

My question 1:

Both tapered to 2 foot thick at the top" means the core was 2' x 2' at the top. So what happens to the people in the elevators?

The true US government is prohibited from doing what you suggest. Infiltrators of the government could though.

My question 2:

Would you give a hint as to WHO has infiltrated? Please at least tell me it's not extra-terrestrials, I'd be so disappointed if it were.

eta: formatting

 

[Big Al]

No, Jennie, Chris hasn't missed them: he's just ignoring them. He's already told me he's going to utterly ignore what he regards as the irrelevant question of why the WTC towers should have been constructed for demolition thirty to forty years ago.

 

[uruk]

OMG!

I cannot believe I've been arguing with somone who is as clueless as this.

The spandrel "plates" horizontally join the perimeter box columns. Near the center of the image below are 3 perimeter columns. The wide horizontal plate between them is the spandrel plate.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/docs/ssm/dsc00169.jpg

FYI, the the aluminum facade pieces fit over the outside of the perimeter box column and without the being afixed, it does not have the parallel apperance seen here.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc2coreonto3.jpg

The short straight pieces flying through space in the below image are what the facade pieces look like when loose.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/corefacesexploding.jpg

Both ZD and homer are in complete and dynamic error about the image showing part of the concrete core of the top of tower 2 as it falls on WTC 3

Chris, The combination of the columns and spandrel plate were called a "spandrel section" collectively.
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NCSTAR1-6ExecutiveSummary.pdf

You really need to understand what it is your talking about.
The picture you posted does not show any part of the core section what so ever. It is the Spandrel sections and the aluminum facade falling on the building below. The columns should have been a dead giveaway but your so desparate to find something that is not there that you are deluding yourself.

Chris face it. You have no proof what-so-ever of a concrete core. Posting and misinterpreting pictures is not helping your cause.
In fact it's doing quite the opposite of what you think.

 

[uruk]

No, Jennie, Chris hasn't missed them: he's just ignoring them. He's already told me he's going to utterly ignore what he regards as the irrelevant question of why the WTC towers should have been constructed for demolition thirty to forty years ago.

He's tried to answer the question before, but the best he could come up with was "I don't know".
He still doesn't know. I think that he knows any answer he comes with will force him see how rediculous his idea is. I think that why he refuses to answer the question now. He knows it'll sound idiotic.

 

[Big Al]

What I wonder is: if the Illuminati or the NWO or whoever are so desperate to cover up this concrete core that they wipe thousands of records of long-ago books and documentaries that dare to mention it:

Why is Chris' site still on the Web?

Why is he still breathing and posting instead of playing a supporting role in a motorway bridge?

 

[AZCat]

He's tried to answer the question before, but the best he could come up with was "I don't know".
He still doesn't know. I think that he knows any answer he comes with will force him see how rediculous his idea is. I think that why he refuses to answer the question now. He knows it'll sound idiotic.

Sounding idiotic has never seemed to be a big concern for Chris, for all the years I've been reading his loony posts.

 

[uruk]

Sounding idiotic has never seemed to be a big concern for Chris, for all the years I've been reading his loony posts.

The difference is that even he knows any answer to that question will sound idiotic.
Which should be a wake up call. But Chris has devoted too much of his life and personal resources to back down. His ego will not alow him to admit that he is wrong. So his stuff becomes more wild and fanciful.

But CT'rs live in a different world.

 

[AZCat]

The difference is that even he knows any answer to that question will sound idiotic.
Which should be a wake up call. But Chris has devoted too much of his life and personal resources to back down. His ego will not alow him to admit that he is wrong. So his stuff becomes more wild and fanciful.

But CT'rs live in a different world.

I think Chris is going to be the one to hit R. Mackey's brilliant Inflationary Limit of Conspiracy Theories (link here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2323813#post2323813). How else is he going to explain 30+ years of conspiracy?

 

[Christophera]

Wrong - those are floors, Chris. But I used the wrong word - when I said 'spandrels' I meant facade. Simple glitch.

Why are there no lines on the side of the brown cube facing us? Are you going to try and say that they are so tightly pressed together there are no spaces showing?

Certainly you don't believe the concrete core had all those regular slots along the lower portion - slots that look surprisingly like multiple stacks of floors?

See what I've said above. You have not recoved from an error, you are making it larger.

Then again, you think C4 exposed to curing concrete can survive longer than it can sealed in cellophane or plastic... And since you never even took a high-school-level chem class, we know how much your opinion on chemical reactions matters.

As far as I know C4 loves a wet environment devoid of gasses which can promote oxidization and evaporation. Curing then cured concrete is probably optimum.

Nevertheless, unless you can post images of the concrete core during construction, you've LOST. PERIOD.

I've posted pictures of concrete from the towers demise, you have not posted an image of the steel core columns from that same event. You and the concrete denier crowd have misrepresented pictures from construction to pretend that you have evidence and I've logically dismissed them as the vetical steel you claim is "steel core columns" simply is never seen when the towers are coming down.

Now we see how much you know about structures and we understand exactly how you could believe the construction images that your partners in denial have posted and assert show steel core columns, erroneously, when the images really show elevator guide rail supports.

The images I've posted and the logic I've presented prove they are not steel core columns. But your recent posts prove you don't know enough to know that is true. Hopefully some in the viewing public do.