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Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

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kitakaze wrote:
You say something like 'I do believe in bigfoot being based on a bunch of horse#$%&' and he quotes you as...
I DO believe in bigfoot
Show me an example of one of my partial quotes in which the meaning of what that person said was changed.
 
kitakaze wrote:


Still dodging analysis, I see.

I asked you a simple question regarding your "analysis" of alternate explanations.......


You say it's easy for you to conclude that "faulty memory" is a more likely explanation.....but apparantly it's impossible for you to elaborate on why.
That.....is Bullschlitz!!!!

In this case "faulty memory" has to include more than one person.

Again...what are the odds of that explanation being the truth?

Blah blah blah...blah blah blah....Yeti Sweat you're analysis is pointless...you are analyzing something that took place 23 years ago...it's a spooky story nothing more nothing less and besides you took this report over the ...wait a minute that's my phone...I need to take this...excuse me a sec ok?....

uh huh


uh huh


yeah


uh huh


and she says she saw it to?


ok


yeah

uh huh

ok


<click>

alright well that settles it..a person I have never met from a place I have never been just called and said they saw a purple werewolf in their backyard 20 years ago, and get this....two other people say they saw it to. Well color me convinced.
 

Sure I could. I started to refer to my comments on Frapper (a temporary board put up after BFF was hacked, for those who don't know what that is) being reposted here, but I thought better of it. I thought that was rather low, but then we have people here demanding links to other boards, so I guess it's just the practice.

Saying I was glad to be back with the "True Believers" was sarcasm, BTW. That's one of many phrases applied to proponents that I find offensive.

I should have included "giant marsupial" in my keyword list, and almost did, but thought better of that too. I'm not trying to ridicule CN's arguments, but I do find some of them ridiculous.

Ivscott didn't show up here, either, and I pointed out an error in something he said. I don't remember quite what it was now.

That's not what we're talking about. Huntster was already here.

I shouldn't have said "He lives in Brazil and knows everything", because I can't prove he lives in Brazil any more than I can prove he knows everything. ;) I seem to recall there was a discussion about my use of the word "claims" after that.

Let me know if you find RayG's post on Krantz saying he didn't know what the Skookum Cast is. It's on this board somewhere; I'm certain of that.
 
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No, sorry. You're dodging isn't going so well, though. Oh look! Kevin's faulty memory. Or was he lying?

Right then, let's quote like Kevin:
Yes, I do.How do you know that, Kevin?

This guy clings to someone's 23 year old campfire tale as if he's onto the Hairy Grail that will prove once and for all that Bigfeets roam the fruited plain free and unfettered. His Faulty memory can't happen in threes take is growing tiresome I can tell you that.

Sweat your story is 23 yrs old...let it go.
 
kitakaze wrote:

Show me an example of one of my partial quotes in which the meaning of what that person said was changed.
Sorry, Kevin, no squirming here. Partially quoting someones post so that you omit the information that you were saying wouldn't be given and then commenting that the information was not given is dishonest and makes you look pathetic and desperate.

My post: #1435
Your post: #1437

My post: #1442
Your post: #1443

Try and squirm that one, Kevo.
 
This guy clings to someone's 23 year old campfire tale as if he's onto the Hairy Grail that will prove once and for all that Bigfeets roam the fruited plain free and unfettered. His Faulty memory can't happen in threes take is growing tiresome I can tell you that.

Sweat your story is 23 yrs old...let it go.
There it is, there's the good stuff! Man, it's been too long.:D BTW, your bigfeetsus seems to be catching on. Check the flame war section for me and Rimmer's (carcharodon) thread. (Actually someone commented on you and bigfeetsus not too long ago in this thread, I think.)
 
I was just reading Fuddsters ridiculous "Claimant Responsibility" thread over at the Think Tank....and based solely on that thread I would submit that LTC has pretty much nailed bigfootery right on it's noggin. I think Fudley was trying to say that the Claimant has no responsibility...MMMMmmmm.. whatsoever as to proving their claim. Wow so a person can without any corroboration at all claim that he/she has seen pretty much anything he/she desires. How conveeeeeenient that.

Why would you base anything solely on that thread?

How often have you seen sceptics claim they don't have to prove anything because the burden of proof is solely on those making "extraordinary claims"? Most don't even seem to know Carl Sagan didn't originate the phrase, although he popularized it.
 
There it is, there's the good stuff! Man, it's been too long.:D BTW, your bigfeetsus seems to be catching on. Check the flame war section for me and Rimmer's (carcharodon) thread. (Actually someone commented on you and bigfeetsus not too long ago in this thread, I think.)

Wow that just warms the old blood pump knowing that someone is using my schtick...I am honored.
 
Why would you base anything solely on that thread?

How often have you seen sceptics claim they don't have to prove anything because the burden of proof is solely on those making "extraordinary claims"? Most don't even seem to know Carl Sagan didn't originate the phrase, although he popularized it.


That thread is a travesty....it's basically Tru Bleever trying to change the rules after the game has started.

If a claim is made like say...I caught a Tiger Shark on some 20 pound test in a ditch next to my house using Jalapeno Cheddar Doritos as bait...the burden is on me...to prove it. Not on you to disprove it...anyone who Bleevs other wise is so full of beans....they fart out of their ears.
 
BTW Madness,
Kevin considers that concerning the Joyce woo-capade that's gone on for far too long the fact that she says her daughter shared the sighting as compelling. He originally contacted her about the incident because she included private information in the report. Kevin fully admits that he listened to her account and told her why he believes in bigfoot and never asked if it would be possible to confirm her story with her daughter and has since never spoken to her again or has any intention to speak with her or the daughter in the future.
 
BTW Madness,
Kevin considers that concerning the Joyce woo-capade that's gone on for far too long the fact that she says her daughter shared the sighting as compelling. He originally contacted her about the incident because she included private information in the report. Kevin fully admits that he listened to her account and told her why he believes in bigfoot and never asked if it would be possible to confirm her story with her daughter and has since never spoken to her again or has any intention to speak with her or the daughter in the future.

Of course...why should it be necessary for a follow up....or a confirmation?? That's complicated and time consuming...especially for an adolescent deep in the throes of puberty.
 
LAL, since Kevin is your cyber-buddy and he continues to dodge the question, are you aware whether or not he's an adolescent?
 
Let me know if you find RayG's post on Krantz saying he didn't know what the Skookum Cast is. It's on this board somewhere; I'm certain of that.

If you're so certain, where is it? I have a total of 71 posts in which I mention Krantz. Of those, 17 also include reference to the Skookum cast, but none in the manner claimed by LAL. In the meantime, she refuses to retract her erroneous assertion, and clings doggedly to her faith that the evidence she has wished for will appear.

Sweat your story is 23 yrs old...let it go.

I'm betting the story is older than Sweaty.

How often have you seen sceptics claim they don't have to prove anything because the burden of proof is solely on those making "extraordinary claims"?

LAL should read Krantz. :rolleyes:

To refresh her selective memory:

"The skeptics are under no obligation to disprove all or, for that matter, any of the evidence. The burden of proof rests with those who think that the animals are real. The skeptics are not obligated even to look at the evidence." -- Grover Krantz, Big Footprints, page 7
...anyone who Bleevs other wise is so full of beans....they fart out of their ears.

I've heard of people being so full of it their eyes are brown, but never heard that one before. :D

RayG
 
you are analyzing something that took place 23 years ago...

So? I was told personally about the discovery of that 7-mile long double trackway north of Carson some 30 years after the event. Ed talked about it as though it had happened days before. I purchased a DVD of The Mysterious Monsters (the later version, not the Sunn picture I saw in Portland, Oregon, in a theater) in 2005, and there was Ed again, describing the event on film in the mid-seventies just about as he described it to me in front of the courthouse. Nothing wrong with his memory.

Under kitakaze's definition of reliable evidence, that double trackway would have to be deemed reliable evidence.

Trying to explain it away as hoaxers or jumping animals just doesn't cut it on something like that.

I'd heard about the DNR workers spotting a pair crossing a meadow some years later. It showed up on the BFRO site. So, what have we here? Mass hysteria for seven?

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=1707
 
...snip...I should have included "giant marsupial" in my keyword list, and almost did, but thought better of that too. I'm not trying to ridicule CN's arguments, but I do find some of them ridiculous.
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I intended to no longer care about LAL's posts. However, here is a great distortion of my words and statements.

Since after evaluating the avaliable evidence I concluded chances are bigfeet are not real creatures, why should I claim they were marsupials?

What I actually did was to pose a question or a test and a very simple one, designed to show the limitations of stills and movies when it comes to provide informations (genus, for example) about an unknown species and also to probe the defender's of the claim level of knoweledge.
Here is the original post:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1136971&postcount=875
Originally posted by LAL said:
My feet are not in my mouth. Similar adaptations occur in similar niches, but hominids do not evolve from squirrels. Sasquatches have hominid characteristics right down to the fingernails.

Assuming the creature exists, all that you have is a description of its external appearance. Now, have you ever compared a reconstruction of a Smilodon[/b] with a reconstruction of a Thylacosmilus ? The first is a placentary mammal, the second a marsupial. They were very similar, saber-teeth included. So, since nothing is known about bigfoot other than speculation, why canpt I suppose that they evolved from squirrels or from marsupials to occupy the same niches giant hominids would occupy?
Here´s my cryptozoology “theory”: Bigfeet are part of a genus of marsupials that initially evolved in the Pliocene or before, in South America, and by convergent evolution, they looked quite like hominids, but were bigger to avoid predation. They became bipedal for the same reasons hominids became. When the Panama land bridge appeared, the original species expanded its habitats to North America, adapted to the condition there, becoming a new species. When the Bering Land bridge appeared, this species expanded its habitat to Northeastern Asia. The original species still lives, its the mapinguari.
Enjoy your time debunking it.
But please note that the only goal is to check the quality of evidence being used to create suppositions on bigfeet´s alleged affinity with hominids as well as how sure one can be of theses speculations.

LAL evaded, ranted, raved, but was not able to "debunk" my "bogus bigfoot theory". Something that was actually very simple to counter.

Here, almost two years later, is the obvious answer:
Patty has (or at least PGF apologists say she has) BREASTS. Feel free to search for marsupials with similar anatomical feature. Among the options, here are two (i) a female gorilla suit -my personal opinion- and (ii) a bipedal placentary mammal. She missed such a ballantly obvious answer that would fit her beliefs! Any (OK, most, OK OK, some, no, I refuse to write "a few") highschool student knows the differences between placentary mammals and marsupials.... A ridiculously simple question. Something she was not able to answer and I decided not to show the answer to avoid further embarassment for her.

Ridiculous, IMHO, is to believe the "Minesota Iceman" is a real hominid. Ridiculous, IMHO is to rely on "evidence" provided by known hoaxers such as Marx and Freeman. I could go on, but its just not worthy of the effort.
 
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