The Bible is 100% true and to be read literally

[Paulhoff]

Er... I daresay that most educated Christians since the religion was founded have known the approximate size and shape of the earth and moon, because these things had already been figured out in ancient times. They'd have had a reasonably accurate idea of the size of the sun too, if it weren't for the fact that the sun is several hundred times farther away than was known in early Christian times.

So what are you talking about, exactly?

And where is that in the bible that christains quote so much, and that was anything but common knowledge to the masses. Look at today and how much is misquoted and lied about now on christain TV stations about science, give me a brake.

Paul

 

[edge]

You disgusting little hypocrite, don't come here and preach to us when you abandoned a defenceless woman because you didn't have the guts to help her. If that's the way you think christians should treat their friends then at the very least you're not a christian.

You little s*** head!
She wasn't my woman and I moved to a different town 50 miles away and lost contact a month before the last event happened.
So now you think you can judge me, rubber duck boy?
She had her own family that had control and lost it.
You need to look in a mirror and see what is in possession of you.

You twisted my words into your perverse little rationalizations.

Do not use alternate spelling to get around the auto-censor.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Lisa Simpson

 

[Davidjayjordan]

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[Davidjayjordan]

https://www.skeptic.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?&Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SS&Product_Code=b120PB

Why the bible is such a mess.

I thought people were a mess..... but I do like your hair EOS of the EONS, I like the wild side away from the rules of the system, but then again that isn't your real pic and maybe just a pic of what you hoped you looked like. Oh well, let er fly....

But sorry, I will be or more serious threads as to busy to play around.... but then again ....

 

[edge]

OK guys, time out. That thing up in the corners of Paulhoff's posts is called a "photograph". That twinkle thing is a digitally generated special effect. You are not looking at the real Paulhoff in the corners of his threads. Do not be afraid. These "photographs" are usually harmless, depending on what they show you doing. Having your "photograph" taken will not in any way steal your soul.

I never said anything about paulhoff in particular.
Besides we have been at each other for 8 years or so.

We may go fishing one day.
I live in Florida too pretty close to the Cape.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

I thought people were a mess..... but I do like your hair EOS of the EONS, I like the wild side away from the rules of the system, but then again that isn't your real pic and maybe just a pic of what you hoped you looked like. Oh well, let er fly....

But sorry, I will be or more serious threads as to busy to play around.... but then again ....

I thought we were talking about the bible. The link discusses why the bible is a mess. Have you even checked it out?

That's not my hair. That's my avatar's hair. I don't hope to look like that, I just like the picture since it is safer than using my own, and it does indicate to people what my gender is.


Since the bible has undeniably been revised over and over again, then why can't we revise it again now...

If there is a god, then it wants us to know about life. Evolution is blatantly observable, and could be included as part of the earth's history (that is closer to 6 billion years old than 6,000). Evolution certainly doesn't have to explain origins of life, but it could lay to rest all the squabbling about men and dinos.

Since it is a religious book, the IDers would be happy with including ID. God could make earth within 6 billion years. The first billion is the rock, the next the air and sky, then next microbes...then a few billion years later, when the rock is colonized by plants and animals, then poof, god could figure humans (in his loverly image) could tolerate the ecosystem and cause primates to evolve the human line.

Then the silly humans can still piss off god, and he can take away the paradise earth with an ice age in retaliation.

Hovind and Veith just need to put their heads together, and we'll have a fresh new bible, with hopefully less chauvenism. Course, they would have a lot of stories of us evil atheists leading people to become gay or something, but hey, it would be a wee bit better than trying to tell people the earth is only 6000 years old. Huh?



A bible rewrite at this point in time would be soooo cool.

 

[Paul]

You little shiot head!

Careful, your christian love is showing again.

She wasn't my woman and I moved to a different town 50 miles away and lost contact a month before the last event happened.

What sort of pathetic excuse is that, you had a duty to save her from the demon and you couldn’t be bothered because it was a bit far?

So now you think you can judge me, rubber duck boy?

I judge you on your actions, which so far are nothing to be proud of.

She had her own family that had control and lost it.

Don’t blame other people; you are the one who said her carer was a demon and that she had the mind of a child, which would surely make her an innocent.

You need to look in a mirror and see what is in possession of you.

Nothing is in possession of me; I am happily in control of my own actions and, unlike you, do not need supernatural justification or excuses.

You twisted my words into your perverse little rationalizations.

I used only your own words in the order you wrote them, removing unnecessary points as required.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

Seriously, is it too much to ask that the fundie trolls learn some language skills? Is english not taught at bible camp? You will be judged on your posts for your language skills and one of the fastest way to be written off by most people is to show that you have no significant ability to communicate. Yes, it is a sign of intelligence to be able to communicate people! And no, I do not think that is a meaningless nitpick. Reading threads like this you fundie trolls come off like 13 year olds debating PhD's. Have some self respect and please debate with intelligence and class.

Ahh the groupies are grouping together because they have nothing intelligent to say...

DJJ--Not only do you need something intelligent to say, but you need an intelligent way to say it. If you want people to learn, you must be able to teach. If you want people to read, you must first learn to write.

No. They don't. There is no logical reason to round pi down to 3. One would measure the diameter and measure the circumference. You suggested that perhaps the numbers were a diameter of 9.7 and a circumference would be 30.473448. To the nearest cubit that would be 10 and 30. However, to the nearest half cubit (as is used in other places in the Bible), that would be 9.5 and 30.5. There is no rational defense of 10 and 30.

Not that I disagree about the authenticity of the bible, but I think this is a poor argument. Is there any reason that the bible (or any other book, for that matter) should keep the number of significant figures consistent throughout the entire book? Even within a scientific paper, different measurements and findings will use different sig figs.

 

[autumn1971]

I may have posted this here already, but I think it was at PZ Meyers site.

Many claims of Old Testament contradictions are dismissed due to ancient source material, and Christian fundamentalists often fall back on the "but not in the New Testament" nonsense. So, apologizing in advance if this has been dealt with already(meaning asked about, as I'm sure the Edge et al. have not replied in a meaningful way), how does an inerrant Bible contain both Matthew 1:2-16 and Luke 3:24-31?

 

[ceo_esq]

And where is that in the bible that christains quote so much ...

I don't think it's in there, but so what? The Bible's not supposed to be an encyclopedia, and at least since Augustine's time Christianity generally hasn't regarded it as an authoritative source of information on things people are capable of learning about the natural world from experience. Fundamentalism changed that, of course, but fundamentalism is relatively new to Christianity.

... and that was anything but common knowledge to the masses.

Possibly true, but again, so what? I'm not sure the size of the sun and moon is exactly "common knowledge to the masses" even now. And there are certainly plenty of other things that aren't, without being somehow un-Christian (or whatever your point was).

Look at today and how much is misquoted and lied about now on christain TV stations about science, give me a brake.

I don't watch Christian TV. Again, I'm not sure what that has to do with your suggestion that Christianity held the earth to be flat and so forth.

 

[Ducky]

I may have posted this here already, but I think it was at PZ Meyers site.

Many claims of Old Testament contradictions are dismissed due to ancient source material, and Christian fundamentalists often fall back on the "but not in the New Testament" nonsense. So, apologizing in advance if this has been dealt with already(meaning asked about, as I'm sure the Edge et al. have not replied in a meaningful way), how does an inerrant Bible contain both Matthew 1:2-16 and Luke 3:24-31?

Is that Jesus' last words? Or is that the screwed up lineages for Jesus?

Either way good show.

 

[autumn1971]

Not to push buttons for the sake of annoying Biblical literalists, but doesn't the whole "Jesus is the son of God because the Bible says he is" mantra seem rather silly in light of Luke 3:38(tracing the lineage of Jesus):"the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God" (emphasis mine)?

 

[autumn1971]

fowlsound,
It's the lineages, and my last post may not be entirely clear; the lineage in Luke goes back to Adam, who is called the son of God.

 

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

It's very interesting to read an anecdote about a self-confessed Christian who supposedly killed his girlfriend, thereby proving that he must have been lying about his Christianity.

Yeah, right!

It's also interesting to note that the units of measure are so sacred that there's lots of different definitions of them, because they've changed over time.

Wow! Evolution that can been seen and proved!

I've already listed a bunch of definitely errant Bibles above from the excellent Skeptic Wiki source - and as I wrote there are many more.

Apparently we're supposed to agree that these are acceptable, and don't challenge inerrancy, because they're really accidents.

Surely if we do this, then we also have to accept that God can't be bothered to ensure that His message is really error-free, or is it more likely that using Occam's razor that He doesn't exist anyway?

His apparent neglect of what ought to be a vitally important proof-reading, exercise is astonishing, especially as, being omni- everything He was perched on the printer's shoulder as he was working. After all, it's a totally insignificant interruption of His valuable time.

What's the result of this criminal inaction?

Thousands of religious sects warring against one another.
Countless numbers tortured to death for being in the "wrong" one, even though often through no fault of their own.
Mindless assaults on science by people who are prepared to dissemble and lie for their own "true" religion.
Senseless bigotry and racism.
Countless numbers of people who willingly abandon their own reasoning faculties for their beliefs, while scornng all others as being myths and lies by Satan, without apparently being aware of the extreme inconsistencies.

Oh - I could go on, but I do find it depressing when I think of the arrogant stupidity of the typical Western-Centric Fundie.

YBW

 

[Ducky]

fowlsound,
It's the lineages, and my last post may not be entirely clear; the lineage in Luke goes back to Adam, who is called the son of God.

Meh. It's no more crazy than the bisexual angels.


Which is to say it's bats*** insane. But even if only one of those lineages is right, both preclude Jesus from the house of David by mere fact that Joseph doesn't have a blood tie to Jesus. (And yes, they both go through Joseph before any of you die-hards out there cite one is Mary's.)

 

[Bob Klase]

We had to separate ourselves from both of them, for many reasons mostly because you can be taken down with them

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She wasn't my woman and I moved to a different town 50 miles away and lost contact a month before the last event happened....

You twisted my words into your perverse little rationalizations.

Looks to me like you're the one twisting your words. But what's a little lying to a troll? Or a lying coward if your story actually has any connection to reality?

 

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

Actually, the whole "not in the New Testament" is an interesting cop-out.

This appears to be saying that because the NT is about JC, it's somehow different from the OT.

However, for Christians, as I understand it, there's a formula:

God + JC + Holy Spirit = 1

and not:

God + JC + Holy Spirit = 3

Therefore - wake up fundies! It's the same guy who wrote/divinely inspired to have written both volumes!

So - given that the two testaments are very different, does this make God cruel, vindictive, genocidal - but also schizophrenic? Apart from probably not existing, of course

YBW

 

[Taffer]

Just a quick post.

You know humans have done this thru the years with other humans of differant so-called races or just differant tribes "How do we know if their emotions are as human as ours, has any study been done to prove it".

Get a dog, and watch and learn.

Paul

Oh, I have a dog, mate. Two, in fact, and most of the time it seems for all the world that they have very human like emotions. I'm not refuting that. But it makes one wonder. The difference in brain structure between human and canine are vast, and even though it seems very much like they have emotions, I'd still like to see confirmation.

 

[steenkh]

The difference in brain structure between human and canine are vast, and even though it seems very much like they have emotions, I'd still like to see confirmation.

What is an emotion, and how could it be confirmed? I do not think that emotions - or thoughts for that matter - is something that magically separates humans from animals. The question is not whether animals have emotions because it is obvious that they have, but how complex are these emotions.

Dogs clearly have intelligence, though not anywhere close to humans, but a lot better than beetles. Dogs can also be more intelligent than human babies. If dogs cannot have emotions, can human babies?

Most animals can show aggression. Is that not an emotion? Many animals are perhaps aggressive in a mechanical manner, both in how to get in the state of aggression and how to resolve it, but you can trace aggression back to very primitive animals. Emotions are not an either there or not there, but they can exist in a continuum from the most rudimentary state in primitive animals to well-developed form in mammals, and coupled with high intelligence in humans they become much more than a system to regulate interaction with social members or enemies.

 

[Paulhoff]

Besides we have been at each other for 8 years or so.

We have not been on the forum for that long, so how can we know each other that long when I met you only on the forum and nowhere else.

Paul