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Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

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Oops. Almost missed you there. You're refering to #1281? Are you looking for general answers or mine specifically?

I am looking for answers to those specific questions. They are very straight forward, so I am not sure why you would ask this question..

Cut and paste the questions, and answer them one by one. They are actually simple yes or no questions. No need to elaborate, simple yes or no answers are really all that are necessary. I really hope you don't say "Its not as simple as a yes or no".. That would be disappointing.

Yes, post 1281
 
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What exactly did I have to 'endure'? Did I give a flying fig about your follow on activity? Nope, I merely chuckled at it and farted in your general direction, which is all you deserve.
My sentiments exactly, carchy....."farting in his general direction" is a jolly good idea, I must say! :D

I likened kitakaze's posts to "used toilet paper", myself.

Seems we're thinking along the same lines here.....

There's no need to fire back at kitakaze, though. Like you said.....laughing at his insults and his "moderating" is the thing to do.
He has nothing of substance to say regarding Bigfoot evidence.
Just take a look at his contribution to a discussion of Joyce's sighting report and phone call.
Over the course of several days, his input amounted to nothing more than "she might be nuts" :boggled: ....with no reason supplied as to why that would be a likely explanation.

He simply has nothing of substance to say...period.
 
Here's this little gem from Greg at the top of the page:

"As I've said before , the BH case appears weak evidentially..


Long would have done well not to have included it in the book.."

Ahh, yes .. But you seem to belieive that a weak BH case, makes a strong PG one...


Wrong !
 
I am looking for answers to those specific questions. They are very straight forward, so I am not sure why you would ask this question..

Cut and paste the questions, and answer them one by one. They are actually simple yes or no questions. No need to elaborate, simple yes or no answers are really all that are necessary. I really hope you don't say "Its not as simple as a yes or no".. That would be disappointing.

Yes, post 1281
I ask if you want my personal answers because your questions seem to be already addressed here and here. If you want my answers elaboration isn't necessary but seeking strictly 'yes' or 'no' answers would seem like you're more interested in maneuvering the answers to fit your arguments than an objective examination of the evidence. JMHO, but I'll see what I can do. BTW, you are a paralegal's assistant or a paralegal, right? I don't mean to be offensive but it rather shows in the way you engage the subject. Again, just an opinion.

The artifacts Tube discusses were created using Volcanic Ash (Pumice), is that not correct?
Many of them, yes, madam council. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
Is there any Volcanic Ash or Pumice in the soil of Onion Mountain?
I can't say with certainty.
If there is no Volcanic Ash or Pumice present in the soil of Onion Mountain, why would you use these substrates to either prove or disprove what can or can not happen in this soil?
Yes. No, wait... is this a 'yes' or 'no' question? Are you really sure either of those two answers is necessary.

On that note, Melissa, may I ask if you conducted your activities using the same soil as the original casts were made in?
Now, are these the dermals of an unknown primate?
Based on the overwhelming evidence in support of dessication ridges and a total lack of reliable evidence supporting bigfoot, no.
Being skeptical doesnt mean you throw out the ability to be objective.
Melissa, you seem to fundamentally misunderstand what skepticism is. That's OK, so did I when i first came here. Skepticism is based on the ability to be objective. At first glance it would seem you are genuinely attempting to be objective on the matter but I'm not sure if that's really what's going on.
 
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Ahh, yes .. But you seem to belieive that a weak BH case, makes a strong PG one...


Wrong !

Your right, but question, how many times has BH's story changed? What does that typically do to the credibility of a witness who only has heresay testimony to provide. BH can show nothing by way of even the most minimal proof he was at bluff creek the day of the filming, he does not have in his posession the suit he claims to have worn, no one has claimed to have seen him wearing the suit in question, he has kept no pieces of this suit - he has nothing in the way of physical evidence to prove he was in fact the person in the suit, other than his word.

So, when the story changes as much as BH's story does, would you put him on the stand in defense of your case that the P/G film is a hoax? I sure wouldnt. BH's story and credibility would be torn apart by any attorney, and you dont have to believe the film is a hoax or the real thing in order to tear BH's story to shreds. BH's story has more holes than a suit would if we found it in a closet today surrounded by Moths.

Too many holes.
 
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Ahh, yes .. But you seem to belieive that a weak BH case, makes a strong PG one...
Yes, actually....it does make the case for the Patterson film stronger.

Because if BH was NOT the "guy-in-the-suit"....then who was?? In a thread on the BFF concerning "other possible candidates", there simply weren't any.
Over the years, nobody has ever come forward with a solid, believable story.

Now, reaching into the "Big Bag of Possibilities"....let's see what we get.....OH...it could be that the guy who wore the suit was runned over by a car :covereyes on his way home from the filming. It's certainly possible. :)

Maybe that explains why over 40 years nobody has ever come forward with a believable behind-the-scenes story of the film, and how he was the star of it.

Or...maybe it's because there was no guy-in-a-suit. That explanation suits me just fine.
 
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Seems we're thinking along the same lines here.....
Oh yes, you must be long lost twins. Except you don't think along the same lines about bigfoot beyond believing they exist for some reason.
Over the course of several days, his input amounted to nothing more than "she might be nuts" ....with no reason supplied as to why that would be a likely explanation.
I don't remember saying something that amounted to 'she might be nuts' in giving a fourth option mentioning the possibilty of a manufactured memory. I do remember saying they could only be possibilities with out any evidence of the claimed event. I am starting to wonder about you, though. I'm sure you'll hop and fetch the quote, try not to muck it up.
He simply has nothing of substance to say...period.
I guess since we've seen time and again that substance equals semantic flailing for you as opposed to examining and seeking verification of reliable evidence claims it's not hard to understand that belief of yours.

Hey Kevo, wanna talk about claims of reliable BF evidence? Oh, that's right. You like making noise a the little table.
 
I ask if you want my personal answers because your questions seem to be already addressed here and here. If you want my answers elaboration isn't necessary but seeking strictly 'yes' or 'no' answers would seem like you're more interested in maneuvering the answers to fit your arguments than an objective examination of the evidence. JMHO, but I'll see what I can do. BTW, you are a paralegal's assistant or a paralegal, right? I don't mean to be offensive but it rather shows in the way you engage the subject. Again, just an opinion.

Many of them, yes, madam council. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)I can't say with certainty.Yes. No, wait... is this a 'yes' or 'no' question? Are you really sure either of those two answers is necessary.

On that note, Melissa, may I ask if you conducted your activities using the same soil as the original casts were made in?Based on the overwhelming evidence in support of dessication ridges and a total lack of reliable evidence supporting bigfoot, no.Melissa, you seem to fundamentally misunderstand what skepticism is. That's OK, so did I when i first came here. Skepticism is based on the ability to be objective. At first glance it would seem you are genuinely attempting to be objective on the matter but I'm not sure if that's really what's going on.

Yeah, I had the feeling you couldnt do it.

The skeptics I enjoy talking to are those who are able to remain objective. If you ever decide you want to have a real discussion - let me know.

I will say I am thankful to know many skeptics who have helped me and been good sources of information, who also are not afraid to break away from the "skeptical crowd" and think for themselves. I have many friends, who are skeptical, and I appreciate their way of approaching the issue - as their input has given me ideas and avenues to explore.. You know, it is possible to be skeptical when it comes to this issue, yet keep an open and objective mind to new ideas and research that has come forward - I do that very thing everyday. I think you assume I am a "bigfoot believer", guess what - I am not. LAL and SweatyYeti will tell you that. :)

Do you know me? If you want to know my motivation you would do better talking to me by phone dont you think? How can you judge my motivation by my typing?

When your ready to do critical thinking, let me know.

Its easy to follow the crowd - harder to break away and stand on your own two feet. Think about that.
 
Your right, but question, how many times has BH's story changed? What does that typically do to the credibility of a witness who only has heresay testimony to provide. BH can show nothing by way of even the most minimal proof he was at bluff creek the day of the filming, he does not have in his posession the suit he claims to have worn, no one has claimed to have seen him wearing the suit in question, he has kept no pieces of this suit - he has nothing in the way of physical evidence to prove he was in fact the person in the suit, other than his word.

So, when the story changes as much as BH's story does, would you put him on the stand in defense of your case that the P/G film is a hoax? I sure wouldnt. BH's story and credibility would be torn apart by any attorney, and you dont have to believe the film is a hoax or the real thing in order to tear BH's story to shreds. BH's story has more holes than a suit would if we found it in a closet today surrounded by Moths.

Too many holes.

What was that all about ? :confused:
 
Well, I'm sorry you feel that way, Melissa. If you would like to elicit strictly 'yes' or 'no' answers than I would suggest asking strictly 'yes' or 'no' questions. You seem to think I'm accussing you of being a 'believer' and hencely disregarding you. I've already repeatedly made it clear I'm only interested in what your activities say if anything about Tube's findings. It would appear that you are sure you are engaging in open-minded, objective, and critical thinking and those that disagree with you are not. That's genuinely unfortunate. It's also unfortunate that you imply that my present skepticism regarding BF is the result of following the crowd. You might want to ask some members who have been here longer than two months about that.

You're thinking seems to not be as critical as you believe. Let me know when you're ready to engage someone who is critical of your arguments.
 
Yes, actually....it does make the case for the Patterson film stronger.

Because if BH was NOT the "guy-in-the-suit"....then who was?? In a thread on the BFF concerning "other possible candidates", there simply weren't any.
Over the years, nobody has ever come forward with a solid, believable story.

Now, reaching into the "Big Bag of Possibilities"....let's see what we get.....OH...it could be that the guy who wore the suit was runned over by a car :covereyes on his way home from the filming. It's certainly possible. :)

Maybe that explains why over 40 years nobody has ever come forward with a believable behind-the-scenes story of the film, and how he was the star of it.

Or...maybe it's because there was no guy-in-a-suit. That explanation suits me just fine.
When life hands you lemons or too many cups of weak coffee, why not have some asparagus? Sorry, Sweaty, but that's what your thinking regarding BH and Patty seems like to me.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't think it was BH in the suit. Heck, I don't even think it looks like I man in a suit. That's what being a proponent and staring at the thing until your eyes melt will do to you. That doesn't mean I can't reconcile my fallible perception with the facts.
 
Well, I'm not you and I think I'll let it stay seeing as how it's originally a reference to this fellow...


Originally, maybe.

...a very apt comparison, I'd say. Of course you would have had to read the flame war to know that in the first place. There's a reason why it's accessible by members only, you know. You're welcome to report it if you find it so offensive but I would say there was a reason why I suggested carcharodon and I remove our back and forth there in the first place. As I recall you were pretty eager to see that exchange and more than ready to call attention to it now. You certainly seem to have an interest in such things.

It's members only and I'm a member. I'd never checked out that section before and I only checked it to see what it's about. Not eager, just curious. I could have reported it then if I wanted. I didn't. If you wanted it private, you should have sent a PM instead of announcing the challenge to the board.

The rest of the current post would probably slip by because it's double entendres, but there are ladies here and you might want to cool your jets.
 
Ha! Shows what you know. Haven't you heard? Sasquatches are traipsing sea to sea. UK to OZ depending on how you have your filters set.

An interesting conversation at the BFF. I'm curious given carcharodon/Lyndon's comments there and where his filters are set what he makes of Sweaty's Joyce and her New York bigfoot anecdote.

Is your problem with that that it was in NewYork? Check this out:

http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dlf/publands/adk/

Wildmen were a common theme on coats of arms. They were likely borrowed from Celtic and Germanic mythology. I don't think Scotland has sasquatches, but paleolithic hunters (or something like that) might have survived in Europe into relatively recent times.

I don't think I've convinced him there might be sasquatches (or something like them) in the eastern US yet. :D
 
Originally, maybe.



It's members only and I'm a member. I'd never checked out that section before and I only checked it to see what it's about. Not eager, just curious. I could have reported it then if I wanted. I didn't. If you wanted it private, you should have sent a PM instead of announcing the challenge to the board.

The rest of the current post would probably slip by because it's double entendres, but there are ladies here and you might want to cool your jets.
Don't mince words. Not 'originally, maybe'. Originally, period. My jets are frosty, Lu. We're all (I'm pretty sure) adults here, so you can drop feigning offence. We've also seen plenty of your surmations on who's banned, who's suspended, and who's crossed the line or been reprimanded. It's pretty transparent. I never wanted a continued exchange with Lyndon/carcharodon privately, just not stinking up the thread further. Flame Wars is the place for that. If you are going to pretend not to be interested then not being one of the first people to check it out might have been a good idea. To his credit, even carcharodon lost interest in it. In reference to seeing that exchange I believe your words were something like 'I'd like to see that'. Shall I pull the quote?

ETA: Not to mention the fact that carcharodon asked not be PM'ed after the first one asking him to chill out.
 
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Daegling claims that Krantz did not endorse the Skookum cast in the Bigfoot Exposed book, I believe. That may be what Lu is getting at.

He seemed to be one of the sceptics DDA was referring to.

Do you remember the debate with Ray? If I knew the thread I could probably find the posts. I just don't have all day (or night) to spend on this.
 
I don't think I've convinced him there might be sasquatches (or something like them) in the eastern US yet. :D
You've convinced yourself, isn't that enough? You seem to not be content until until we all are convinced that BF does exist or at least that it's most likely. How come that we think it's not impossible while waiting for some reliable evidence to persuade us is not enough?
 
This from your link:

Wildlife
The Adirondack Park is home for 54 species of mammals. White-tailed deer are abundant, and there are more black bears in the Adirondacks than in any other part of the state. Forest residents that usually escape detection include bobcat, fisher, and pine marten. Working mostly after the sun goes down, beaver make their mark throughout the Adirondacks by damming most of the smaller streams. The song of the coyote is a common sound of the night. Wildlife biologists believe that coyotes migrated to the Adirondacks from the midwest and Canada during this century. An even more recent migrant is the moose. A small herd of wanderers from Vermont and New Hampshire has become established in the central Adirondacks over the past two decades.

In the spring, throngs of migrating songbirds returning from their southern wintering grounds add color and music to the Adirondack environment. Mergansers dive for fish in remote ponds and lakes, while great blue herons stand alert in the shallows. At night the wild call of the loon is joined by the distinctive hoot of the barred owl. In all, almost 200 species of birds breed within the Adirondack Park.
You always say that nobody reads your links yet I wonder if you do. I guess if I dust off the old footer hat BF would be one of the recent migrants that have escaped detection?
 
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