Why are they sins?

ok, how does masturbating hurt anyone?
Someone can be a compulsive masterbater. Anything can be addictive. It can also cause problems in relationships, as well as being coupled with pornography- that can be destructive to relationships.

Okay, are we seriously going to start a list?
 
Are you serious?
No, I like wasting your time by having you reiterate yourself because I'm looking for a little amusement.

You still don't get it.
And you do? We're talking about two diffrent things. You're caught up in something else. Maybe its the way I wrote. Maybe I'm not explaining myself the right way. Lets go back and I'll reword this.

Ladewig asked what the general consequences of working on the Sabbath were. I made two different points within my response. First, I showed that resting one day out of the work week, every week, all year long, until you die is better than working 365 days a year. So not only was rest addressed through the sabbath, but the sabbath was also a day to dedicate to god every week.

Second I showed that the word Sabbath simply means completion- the completed week, the seventh day of the week- we got the word seven from sabbath. The completion of the world (Hebraic mythology). And sabbath also means agreement or covenant- so symbolize the covenant between God and the Israelites.

But, through Hebraic law- not only was spirituallity addressed, social and hygene issuse were addressed simultaneously.

Here's another example of the social/hygene/spiritual fold within hebraic law. Circumcision not only represented cleanliness, it was more clean (smegma) as well, it also represented spiritual santification.

But then why are moderate amounts of some things sins, but not others?
I corrected myself after I realized that not all sins addressed lack of moderation, did you miss that?
 
Someone can be a compulsive masterbater. Anything can be addictive.


Sigh. You did it again.

He never asked about "compulsive" masturnbation. That is a stipulation YOU have added. As you have been doing all along.

What's wrong with working on the sabbath? Your answer: well, if you work on the sabbath every week it can cause family problems.

What's wrong with promiscuity? Your answer: Well, promiscuity without moderation can be a problem.

So answer the question. What's wrong with masturbation, if it's not compulsive?

What's wrong with working on the sabbath on occasion?

What's wrong with promiscuity, in moderation, especially when combined with protection against STD and pregnancy?
 
And you do? We're talking about two diffrent things. You're caught up in something else. Maybe its the way I wrote. Maybe I'm not explaining myself the right way. Lets go back and I'll reword this.

you can try...

Ladewig asked what the general consequences of working on the Sabbath were. I made two different points within my response. First, I showed that resting one day out of the work week, every week, all year long, until you die is better than working 365 days a year.

You have not shown any such thing. You have asserted it, but that doesn't mean it is true.

For example, I could spend one sabbath a month building houses for Habitat for Humanity. It would be work, and absolutely a violation of the commandment against it in many religious sects.

Now, is it really true that taking that day off and not doing this work would necessarily be better than working? Show your work...

Moreover, you still make the error of "working 365 days a year." Since when is it either take every sabbath off or work 365 days a year? Suppose I work through every weekend, but have off Tuesday and Wednesday? I would work every sabbath, yet not work 365 days a year.

Second I showed that the word Sabbath simply means completion- the completed week, the seventh day of the week- we got the word seven from sabbath. The completion of the world (Hebraic mythology). And sabbath also means agreement or covenant- so symbolize the covenant between God and the Israelites.

Which has what to do with any consequences of working on the sabbath?

I corrected myself after I realized that not all sins addressed lack of moderation, did you miss that?

But that just begs the question of what is wrong with them if done in moderation?
 
Someone can be a compulsive masterbater. Anything can be addictive. It can also cause problems in relationships, as well as being coupled with pornography- that can be destructive to relationships.

Okay, are we seriously going to start a list?


The bible says that masturbating, once, ever, is a sin. No where does it mention that one has to be a compulsive masturbator or use pornography in order to be sinning via masturbation. Its quite a leap youre trying to take.

We both know that masturbation, by itself, is pretty damn healthy and hurts no one. I dont know why god would design men to pump out testosterone at such an alarming rate and never relieve the tension that results from it. Masturbating once a month or weekly is considered a sin, so lets discuss that. A single man, masturbating regularily, without porn, is a sin according to the bible. what does it hurt exactly?
 
It makes Baby Jesus cry.


Seriously, though.


You must realize what they are saying. Because masturbation is, apparently, a problem for some people, NO ONE can do it. EVER.

Because some people are compulsive eaters, gluttony is a sin, and not just a sin a DEADLY sin. If you pig out on your birthday, then you DIE? Is that what they are trying to connote? Or is it that it harms your Soul?


Well, show me one of these Soul thingamajigs, and we'll talk. Until then, it is a bunch of superstition.
 
The bible says that masturbating, once, ever, is a sin. No where does it mention that one has to be a compulsive masturbator or use pornography in order to be sinning via masturbation. Its quite a leap youre trying to take.

We both know that masturbation, by itself, is pretty damn healthy and hurts no one. I dont know why god would design men to pump out testosterone at such an alarming rate and never relieve the tension that results from it. Masturbating once a month or weekly is considered a sin, so lets discuss that. A single man, masturbating regularily, without porn, is a sin according to the bible. what does it hurt exactly?

Having once been 13 years old and having "beat it like it owed me money" I can offer first hand (badump bump) testimony that masturbation does no physical harm beyond friction burns. However it did do psychological harm to me, but only because my Christian upbringing made me feel horrible about myself for doing it. I was sure I was the only person wicked enough to engage in such freakishly unnatural behavior. The guilt really messed me up for a while. I can see how some poor sods can be messed up for life. I'm just lucky that I eventually realized that it wasn't the "self abuse" that was unnatural, but rather the whole twisted guilt trip itself.
 
Actually, Biblical condemnation of masturbation is rather sparse, to say the least. The most often referenced passages concern one Onan, who is commanded (directly and personally) by God to impregnate a certain woman, and instead "spills his seed on the ground" to avoid obeying the command. It's pretty clear that Onan's sin (for which God kills him) isn't masturbation per se, but violation of, as it were, a direct order. Also, in context (Exodus 38:9), Onan's seed-spilling isn't even masturbation at all; it's coitus interruptus.

The "sinfulness" of "self abuse" falls more into the category of dogma or church doctrine, something originally decided on by Popes on vague general moral and theological principles rather than any specific Biblical text, and later retained by some Protestant sects. (In the same category is the desirability of priestly celibacy, which was considered a terrible heresy by the earliest Christian historians. The Protestants were a bit more eager to get rid of that one... can't imagine why :) .)

As for the Commandment regarding working on the Sabbath, I find that an interesting and revealing example about the nature of Scripture as I see it. From a humanistic point of view, the Eighth Commandment is one of the single most effective Bible passages at improving the quality of human life over the past twenty centuries. In recent years we see it as a relatively minor issue of weighing piety versus convenience; of separation of church and state (blue laws); of balancing the respective rights of employers, coworkers, and Sabbath-observing employees. But in centuries past it meant a lot more than that. When most of the population were slaves, serfs, peasants, laborers, sweatshop workers, the absolute requirement not to work on the Sabbath often gave them their only regular respite in a life of grueling toil. Sure, it wasn't 100% reliable or equitably applied (who cooks the Sunday supper?), and the Sabbath observances themselves often involved discomfort and tedium, but it was better than "on the seventh day, we go back into the mine and dig some more."

Would this have happened if observing the Sabbath were instead written as the "Eighth Just-A-Suggestion"?

What if the Commandments aren't really about how-not-to-sin after all (though they had to be stated that way, to have been effective), but about how to build a moral civilization starting from the stone age? What if we look at other Biblical ideas, from the Old and New Testaments alike, in a similar light?

Interpreted as a guide for what is fundamentally morally right, Paul's repeated advice to slaves to serve their masters well is clearly a non-starter. But what should that advice have been? Suppose those passages instead had read, "Slavery is an abomination. Those who hold slaves must set them free; slaves that are not set free should rise up and escape or overthrow their masters, even as Moses brought the Isrealites out of bondage in Egypt." What would the effect have been, in, say, AD 300? Would it have done the slaves any good, to rise up and be slaughtered even more often than they'd already been rising up and being slaughtered since time immemorial? Would it have done Christianity any good, for every slave-holding state, city, and household to have a really good reason to eliminate, at all costs, any slave, or any person coming into contact with slaves, suspected of holding Christian views?

Even assuming the Bible is the Word of God, does God owe humanity the truth, let alone the whole truth? Where, in the Bible, does God promise to tell humanity the whole truth? Could humanity comprehend the whole truth? Could we put into effect the same knowledge of the truth in any given century? Do we tell our own young children the whole truth about everything? Now, suppose the Bible is not the direct Word of God, but the understanding of men uncommonly wise for their time, with a perception (divinely aided or otherwise) of creation that revealed to them some of the path to building more just worlds. How much of it could they, in their own world that knew only kings and subjects, masters and slaves, understand? How much of it could they put into words? Surely less than the whole truth. In that case the Bible would be a map, but the map is not the territory, and the territory ahead is always unexplored.

Did Adam and Eve really gain all knowledge of good and evil at the moment they ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge? Does this make sense, either literally or allegorically? Or allegorically, did that choice, that knowledge was what they wanted, represent the beginning of the journey that we're still on today? (God: "Okay, you want knowledge. Happy to oblige. Step 1: get out of Eden.")

What, then, about sin? Some Biblical sins are, I believe, no longer sins, and some never were in the first place. Some people cling to some sins, like premarital sex, homosexuality, masturbation, and honoring the Sabbath, as if they were precious jewels, a dwindling supply that we must hoard and treasure. But the opposite is true: our increasing application of Jesus's humanistic teachings give us more sins now than ever before. Slavery, child sex, misogyny, racism, and submission (unnecessarily ceding one's human rights) are now sins; forms of "gluttony" now include environmental waste and over-fecundity; forms of "wrath" now include sectarian violence and intolerance; and so forth. Few of these sins are explicitly grounded in Scripture and some of them go against specific passages, but we draw them out of the core general principles much like the ancient Popes found the sins of masturbation and marriage of priests. Do we need a new set of Commandments ("Thou shalt not buy way too much crap thou doesn't need") or can we continute to take it from here?

I'm not sure sin and salvation are quite as important as most churches insist -- the concept of original sin itself rests on suprisingly shaky Biblical ground, and without original sin, salvation takes on a different (but if anything, more coherent and deeper) meaning. Perhaps instead of asking "is this or that, or should this or that be, a sin," one might focus on, "what should I be doing better to make the world a better place?" You know the answer. At least one, probably several, things came into your mind when you read that question.

"Go, then, and sin no more."

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
First, I showed that resting one day out of the work week, every week, all year long, until you die is better than working 365 days a year.
But what if I'm a student or housewife or another non-full time worker, and work part-time every week-end, but not during the week? Or what if I'm on a special shift, and don't work on Monday and Tuesday but do work on the week-end (I know a guy who owns a store whose opening hours are just that)?
I don't overwork myself, yet I work on the sabbath. Who does it hurt? Why is it sinful?
 
Take a sabbath, dammit!

I don't overwork myself, yet I work on the sabbath. Who does it hurt? Why is it sinful?

The point behind having a sabbath is to reflect, to pray if one will, to look beyond the mundane, dreary, everyday crap you experience, and to find a reason to do more than simply exist. A full day may not be required for everybody, but certainly it can not hurt to plan for a regular day each week to catch up with your own emotional needs.

If you don't allow yourself time to fully rest, to acknowledge whatever spiritual renewal you may require, you hurt yourself. You may also, by dint of failing to refresh your own soul (as it were), take out your frustrations on those around you (and here is where we insert the annoying story about the ripples in the pool).

On the argument over promiscuity (STDs notwithstanding): cats in heat will take on any tom, but when the litters are born, the females need to stay in groups to watch over the young, for fear of the toms. Because there is doubt about paternity, those very same tomcats will come kill every little one of that generation, to prevent the possibility of a rival tom's offspring surviving.

Species which tend heavily toward monogamy, by eliminating the doubts of their mates, reduce that internal threat dramatically. It makes for easier "going forth, being fruitful, and multiplying" if you don't have to keep replacing the ones your mate bumped off in a jealous or paranoid fit.

And, enthusiastic, successful procreation is one very good (and fun!) way to guarantee your civilized society is going to last another generation. When your people stop breeding, the other guy stands a better chance of taking over what you built.

It's all about the future, isn't it?
 
Actually, Biblical condemnation of masturbation is rather sparse, to say the least. The most often referenced passages concern one Onan, who is commanded (directly and personally) by God to impregnate a certain woman, and instead "spills his seed on the ground" to avoid obeying the command. It's pretty clear that Onan's sin (for which God kills him) isn't masturbation per se, but violation of, as it were, a direct order. Also, in context (Exodus 38:9), Onan's seed-spilling isn't even masturbation at all; it's coitus interruptus.
Yes, but the meaning has changed.
The "sinfulness" of "self abuse" falls more into the category of dogma or church doctrine, something originally decided on by Popes on vague general moral and theological principles rather than any specific Biblical text, and later retained by some Protestant sects. (In the same category is the desirability of priestly celibacy, which was considered a terrible heresy by the earliest Christian historians. The Protestants were a bit more eager to get rid of that one... can't imagine why :) .)
They wanted to get laid?

Seriously, though. These people were drawing from the scriptures. Priests were celibate because they were the bride of Jesus. You wouldn't cheat on God, now, would you?

Masturbation was/is spilling seed on the ground. Look up Onanism in the dictionary and see if it mentions coitus interruptus. Many people were persecuted for these types of things, and who was harmed by doing them?
As for the Commandment regarding working on the Sabbath, I find that an interesting and revealing example about the nature of Scripture as I see it. From a humanistic point of view, the Eighth Commandment is one of the single most effective Bible passages at improving the quality of human life over the past twenty centuries. In recent years we see it as a relatively minor issue of weighing piety versus convenience; of separation of church and state (blue laws); of balancing the respective rights of employers, coworkers, and Sabbath-observing employees. But in centuries past it meant a lot more than that. When most of the population were slaves, serfs, peasants, laborers, sweatshop workers, the absolute requirement not to work on the Sabbath often gave them their only regular respite in a life of grueling toil. Sure, it wasn't 100% reliable or equitably applied (who cooks the Sunday supper?), and the Sabbath observances themselves often involved discomfort and tedium, but it was better than "on the seventh day, we go back into the mine and dig some more."

Would this have happened if observing the Sabbath were instead written as the "Eighth Just-A-Suggestion"?

What if the Commandments aren't really about how-not-to-sin after all (though they had to be stated that way, to have been effective), but about how to build a moral civilization starting from the stone age? What if we look at other Biblical ideas, from the Old and New Testaments alike, in a similar light?
So, irrelevant in modern times? Agreed.
Interpreted as a guide for what is fundamentally morally right, Paul's repeated advice to slaves to serve their masters well is clearly a non-starter. But what should that advice have been? Suppose those passages instead had read, "Slavery is an abomination. Those who hold slaves must set them free; slaves that are not set free should rise up and escape or overthrow their masters, even as Moses brought the Isrealites out of bondage in Egypt." What would the effect have been, in, say, AD 300? Would it have done the slaves any good, to rise up and be slaughtered even more often than they'd already been rising up and being slaughtered since time immemorial? Would it have done Christianity any good, for every slave-holding state, city, and household to have a really good reason to eliminate, at all costs, any slave, or any person coming into contact with slaves, suspected of holding Christian views?
Change had to start somewhere, and in fact, most of the 'rights' given to serfs in the Middle Ages were the doing of the Church. What you're really saying is that Paul didn't have faith that he could change these things through God's ministry, or, worse yet, Paul condoned these acts and right and good. Remember, Paul wasn't just a man, he was an Apostle. He heard the Word of the Lord directly from the Mouth of Jesus Christ. He was especially blessed, and the Rock on which the Christian Faith was founded.
Even assuming the Bible is the Word of God, does God owe humanity the truth, let alone the whole truth? Where, in the Bible, does God promise to tell humanity the whole truth? Could humanity comprehend the whole truth? Could we put into effect the same knowledge of the truth in any given century? Do we tell our own young children the whole truth about everything? Now, suppose the Bible is not the direct Word of God, but the understanding of men uncommonly wise for their time, with a perception (divinely aided or otherwise) of creation that revealed to them some of the path to building more just worlds. How much of it could they, in their own world that knew only kings and subjects, masters and slaves, understand? How much of it could they put into words? Surely less than the whole truth. In that case the Bible would be a map, but the map is not the territory, and the territory ahead is always unexplored.
Ah, but God has the capabilities to make the map perfectly, does He not? Can God not make people understand? Is it beyond His power? If not, then you must face the fact that God has lied to us by omission. A partial truth is a whole lie. So, is god Incompentent, or a Liar, or some mix of both. Maybe He's simply malicious. Or maybe the whole thing was made up by fallible men who could not forsee all the consequences of their actions. I find this to be more reasonable, don't you?
Did Adam and Eve really gain all knowledge of good and evil at the moment they ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge? Does this make sense, either literally or allegorically? Or allegorically, did that choice, that knowledge was what they wanted, represent the beginning of the journey that we're still on today? (God: "Okay, you want knowledge. Happy to oblige. Step 1: get out of Eden.")
Step 1: POOF! You have Knowledge, Wisdom and Sense.
Well, THAT didn't happen.
Wait, I know:
Step 1: Poof! How dare you quest for knowledge on your own!! Even though I created you with curiousity, and I knew that you would use it, how DARE you use it!! I curse you and all your children to a life of misery and suffering!! Oh, and I LOVE you.
What, then, about sin? Some Biblical sins are, I believe, no longer sins, and some never were in the first place. Some people cling to some sins, like premarital sex, homosexuality, masturbation, and honoring the Sabbath, as if they were precious jewels, a dwindling supply that we must hoard and treasure. But the opposite is true: our increasing application of Jesus's humanistic
?!
teachings give us more sins now than ever before. Slavery, child sex, misogyny, racism, and submission (unnecessarily ceding one's human rights) are now sins; forms of "gluttony" now include environmental waste and over-fecundity; forms of "wrath" now include sectarian violence and intolerance; and so forth. Few of these sins are explicitly grounded in Scripture and some of them go against specific passages, but we draw them out of the core general principles much like the ancient Popes found the sins of masturbation and marriage of priests. Do we need a new set of Commandments ("Thou shalt not buy way too much crap thou doesn't need") or can we continute to take it from here?
Well. I'm not sure Jesus' teaching were very humanistic. I think the humanistic patina was placed upon them during the Age of Reason. Jesus said some thing that were highly questionable.
I'm not sure sin and salvation are quite as important as most churches insist -- the concept of original sin itself rests on suprisingly shaky Biblical ground, and without original sin, salvation takes on a different (but if anything, more coherent and deeper) meaning. Perhaps instead of asking "is this or that, or should this or that be, a sin," one might focus on, "what should I be doing better to make the world a better place?" You know the answer. At least one, probably several, things came into your mind when you read that question.

"Go, then, and sin no more."

Respectfully,
Myriad
My answer to your question is 'promote atheism'. Is faith a sin?
 
The point behind having a sabbath is to reflect, to pray if one will, to look beyond the mundane, dreary, everyday crap you experience, and to find a reason to do more than simply exist. A full day may not be required for everybody, but certainly it can not hurt to plan for a regular day each week to catch up with your own emotional needs.
Perhaps not, but maybe some people are simply ok emotionally and want to work. Should they be punished?
If you don't allow yourself time to fully rest, to acknowledge whatever spiritual renewal you may require, you hurt yourself. You may also, by dint of failing to refresh your own soul (as it were), take out your frustrations on those around you (and here is where we insert the annoying story about the ripples in the pool).
spirit? soul? Sorry, you need to point these things out to me, I have no idea what you're talking about. Show me one(some?).
If you take out your frustrations on those around you to the point of being a problem, then you need more than a day to yourself. You need HELP.
On the argument over promiscuity (STDs notwithstanding): cats in heat will take on any tom, but when the litters are born, the females need to stay in groups to watch over the young, for fear of the toms. Because there is doubt about paternity, those very same tomcats will come kill every little one of that generation, to prevent the possibility of a rival tom's offspring surviving.
Wow, those are some bloodthirsty toms. Most of the time, a tom is a love em and leave em type. The females raise the young by themselves. the tom couldn't care less whose kids they were. I'm really unsure where this info is coming from.
Species which tend heavily toward monogamy, by eliminating the doubts of their mates, reduce that internal threat dramatically. It makes for easier "going forth, being fruitful, and multiplying" if you don't have to keep replacing the ones your mate bumped off in a jealous or paranoid fit.
HUMANS are amongst the FEW species that experience jealousy. There are VERY few speicies that tend towards monogamy, and humans aren't one of them. Historically speaking, the norm was one man with many wives.
And, enthusiastic, successful procreation is one very good (and fun!) way to guarantee your civilized society is going to last another generation. When your people stop breeding, the other guy stands a better chance of taking over what you built.

It's all about the future, isn't it?

Yes. And as men tend to die more often in wars, hunting accidents, and the like, one man with many wives starts to make a LOT of sense.


After all, how many men does it take to impregnate 12 women?
 
Every sperm is sacred
Every sperm is great
If a sperm gets wasted
God gets quite irate
Let the heathens spill there's
On the dusty ground
God will make them pay for
Each drop that can't be found.
 
The bible says that masturbating, once, ever, is a sin. No where does it mention that one has to be a compulsive masturbator or use pornography in order to be sinning via masturbation. Its quite a leap youre trying to take.

We both know that masturbation, by itself, is pretty damn healthy and hurts no one. I dont know why god would design men to pump out testosterone at such an alarming rate and never relieve the tension that results from it. Masturbating once a month or weekly is considered a sin, so lets discuss that. A single man, masturbating regularily, without porn, is a sin according to the bible. what does it hurt exactly?
Okay- does masterbating once hurt anybody? It doesn't. if you're asking why its a sin, its because sperm is considered just as precious as human life. Its considered a waste of seed.
 
He never asked about "compulsive" masturnbation. That is a stipulation YOU have added. As you have been doing all along.
okay okay, I get it.

The thread is called "why are they sins." So look at the sin in the context of the times. Their values, their culture, hygene problems, social problems. They had a much different idea about sperm then. They probably didn't realize it was pretty much a never ending supply, or that masterbation could be healthy.

As far as the sabbath goes: it responds to over working but it is also observed traditionally. Thats religion! So they had to always keep the sabbath day holy. Observe it every week, spend time with God and take it easy.

nothing is wrong with working on the sabbath today, in America, if you arent a Christian. And some Christians probably work on sundays, too- but thats not even the sabbath.

Many sins from the bible, held up to todays values, knowledge, and culture in America are outdated.

I was merely reconciling some of the underlying reasons sins became sins- in that it had a lot more to do with simply because "god says so"

cheers
 
you can try...
golly, thanks for the encouragement ;)

For example, I could spend one sabbath a month building houses for Habitat for Humanity. It would be work, and absolutely a violation of the commandment against it in many religious sects.
sects? You mean religions, right? Judaism, Islam... Christianity? They dont even observe the Sabbath on the Sabbath! I dont think God would be too upset that you were helping out humanity on a saturday or a sunday. You're doing a lot more for the world than the people that just sit on the pews and listen to somebody's interpretation of what they think god wants.

Other evangelical interpretation of the Sabbath idea is that people always remember to keep their relationship with God fervent. Live in His rest. Dont over do it. Regardless of the day of the week.



Suppose I work through every weekend, but have off Tuesday and Wednesday? I would work every sabbath, yet not work 365 days a year.
I was never very good at math- especially word problems
 
At last we seem to be getting back on to the original idea of why I created this thread. I asked "why is it a sin" with the concept that there are many pointers in the bible that some of the so called "sins" I pointed out are not actually sin.

I was not asking how the ideas came about, but why were certain "sins" so enforced when there are points to the contra in the bible?

I used the "pleasure" sins are example because ... well I like pleasure. But we could just as easily have used the murder sins as examples. There are places in the bible that says it is bad to kill and yet people still kill in those situations. There are also places in the bible that say it is ok to murder and yet I do not see these deaths being enacted by the faithful.

My original thought still stands, why are people against certain sins and not others, why are they more against the pleasure sins than the "criminal sins"?
 
One of the biggest problems of religion is the fact that the can not or they refuse to see the trees for the forest. For them it is in the whole not in the details.

We skeptics need to be aware that we do not fall for the same fault in not being able to see the forest for the trees. As skeptics it is of vital importance for us to be aware of the trees and roots and the creatures that live beneath the canopy.

But we must become extremely careful that we do not loose site of the fact that we are indeed looking at a forest. I have found it far too easy to become engrossed in the details and to forget the picture as a whole.

The only way for us to transcend and to become more is for us to understand that a great masterpiece is not only brush strokes and techniques but also a pretty picture.
 
okay okay, I get it.

The thread is called "why are they sins." So look at the sin in the context of the times. Their values, their culture, hygene problems, social problems. They had a much different idea about sperm then. They probably didn't realize it was pretty much a never ending supply, or that masterbation could be healthy.

The question was not "why were they considered sins back then?" It is why are they sins NOW?

Back in the days when pigs were fed garbage, the prohibition against eating pork made some sense. But nowadays, trychynosis is so rare as to not be considered a problem, even in medium rare pork. So its easy to ignore the restriction against eating pork (kosher Jews still will follow it, but for no good reason other than God said to).

So if we can revise the thinking about eating pork, now that we know better, why not other things?
 
Perhaps not, but maybe some people are simply ok emotionally and want to work. Should they be punished?
If, in the act of working, one is actually relaxing, meditating, refreshing oneself, probably not. Unfortunately, I know very few people (none, actually) who can honestly say that their jobs fully renew their senses of well-being and joy in life.
spirit? soul? Sorry, you need to point these things out to me, I have no idea what you're talking about. Show me one(some?).
I wasn't talking about some ethereal bit of something floating off to heaven upon death, but the essential self, the emotional force of one's life. Rather like team "spirit", or school "spirit", it is the force of energy one requires to accomplish the positive things in one's life.

Or, if you're an artistic type, the creative juices.

Have you ever felt uplifted by a song, a film, a work of art, or a glorious sunny day? Never felt invigorated by a thunderstorm? That's the spirit I'm talking about, not some fuzzy construct destined for an afterlife.

From a practical perspective, observing a day of rest isn't about listening to ghosts, but about listening to your own emotional and intellectual needs, & the real effects those have in one's daily life.
If you take out your frustrations on those around you to the point of being a problem, then you need more than a day to yourself. You need HELP.
Precisely. Taking out even the least frustration on those around you is a problem. Your loved ones don't deserve that. And the day of rest is step one in finding help.
Wow, those are some bloodthirsty toms. Most of the time, a tom is a love em and leave em type. The females raise the young by themselves. the tom couldn't care less whose kids they were. I'm really unsure where this info is coming from.
From life on a farm, and life in a small town, with a cat lady as a neighbor. It's very common, especially when the pride's food sources become less copious, to catch toms slipping in to kill newborns when they can.

It's less common, granted, when everybody is well-fed and satisfied. Then the toms are content to live and let live.

HUMANS are amongst the FEW species that experience jealousy. There are VERY few speicies that tend towards monogamy, and humans aren't one of them. Historically speaking, the norm was one man with many wives.
And the "new" monogamy laws, introduced to the early Hebrews, reduced the envy factor among those men who were incapable of amassing the wealth to support a harem, and reduced the envy among wives and concubines, as well.

Yes. And as men tend to die more often in wars, hunting accidents, and the like, one man with many wives starts to make a LOT of sense.
LOL. Obviously you've never lived in a house with a lot of adolescent girls. Speaking of jealousy...

After all, how many men does it take to impregnate 12 women?
Can you be sure they're all your children, even so? How many men does it take to safely and responsibly raise all those children? Can you trust all the help staff, if you and the wives can't do it all on your own? It's still about the future.
 

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