The Bible is 100% true and to be read literally

edge said:
It's funny how even on their deathbed, when all is over at that last moment of life, that the staunchest of skeptics accept Jesus just in case it's real.
Which is all right, but the harm they do all of there lives, such a shame.
We just witnessed a 93 year old man do this and then die.
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Oh please. That is nonsense.

I'm sure a few people do, human nature being what is. I don't blame any skeptic for reverting to a comforting childhood belief at the end of life, in fear and pain and possibly sickness or drug-related brain fog. I don't take that as a basis for thinking that they really secretly believed all along, or that they necessarily had a true conversion.
(Someone close to me who had switched from religion to nonbelief did NOT revert on his deathbed.)

(And I'm sure there are a few nonbelievers raised in other religious traditions who while dying return, NOT to Jesus but to the faith of their childhood or of the people important to them or the people pressuring them at that moment.)

It's garbage to suggest that it is a general rule, or that it means anything profound about that person's former skepticism when it happens.
 
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flume said:
(And obviously the very same comments could be made about believers. They miss out. They lead astray.)
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Hard to pin anything on them. Look at Ted Haggard. Did he miss out on Jesus lovin' even while not missing out on buggery and speed? Did he lead anyone astray, given that his congregation didn't know about his dalliances.

Or, you can look at David Koresh. OK, he may have led astray, but then anyone who does can be a priori reclassified as apostate - problem solved.
 
edge said:
It's funny how even on their deathbed, when all is over at that last moment of life, that the staunchest of skeptics accept Jesus just in case it's real.
Which is all right, but the harm they do all of there lives, such a shame.
We just witnessed a 93 year old man do this and then die.
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I actually think it's much funnier how christians try to make a point out of this.

To go to the extent of relating stories like that is one thing - drowning men and straws - but the constant attempts to put the likes of Einstein (you, Egde) and Bertrand Russell (many catholics) into the class of late-life converts just shows you up for the pathetically weak individuals you are.

But it's ok - you just keep getting your strength from Jesus.

The really disappointing thing is that you could actually be learning a thing or two from a couple of the sensible christians we have in here. Instead, you're spewing out rubbish like a KuriousKathy.

Now go and pray for us all. (I'll match you with a prayer to Satan, ok? Satan's always managed to trick god far**, so I'll stick with the winning team.)


**Genesis 3:4

Job 1:9-11

Luke 4: 5-7
 
I'm not catholic.
There is more to his story.
But your not intrested.
 
edge said:
I'm not catholic.
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Nobody said you were.


There is more to his story.
But your not intrested.
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That depends, do you intend to post anything specific or are you going to make unsubstantiated generalisations about atheists.

By the way, skeptics and atheists are not equal sets.
 
The Atheist said:
It by no means confirms that he did live, but if you accept such historical figures as So-crates and Julius Caesar as real characters, then you must accept Jesus.
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I just can't resist calling that the most inane defense of a historical Jesus I've ever seen.

(let it be known, however, that I am agnostic as far as this subject is concerned. I don't know, and don't really care beyond historical curiosity, whether he actually existed. But to claim that there is evidence for his existence beyond the bibble itself is ludicrous.)
 
ceo_esq said:
Well, the New Testament isn't really a unity, of course; it's a collection of diverse texts about Jesus. There are other such texts that didn't make it in, as you know, but most of the surviving ones are believed to have been composed later than the ones anthologized in the New Testament. I'm curious why you're so interested in texts that didn't make it into the anthology to the exclusion of the texts that did.
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I think you have me confused with someone else.

The books included in the new testament were NOT composed anytime near Jesus' alledged death. I would appreciate some contemporary evidence, but so far none has surfaced. That's the only point I am making.
 
edge said:
It's funny how even on their deathbed, when all is over at that last moment of life, that the staunchest of skeptics accept Jesus just in case it's real.
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An interesting fabrication.

We just witnessed a 93 year old man do this and then die.
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Good for him. Just serves to show that either:

A) He wasn't "the staunchest of skeptics". OR
B) He wasn't in his right mind when he went.

This link is a story that I posted on the best evidence thread.
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That's your best evidence ? An anecdote ? Medecine is full of unexplained or weird occurances. You might have noticed that biology is a complex subject. I asked for EVIDENCE, not anecdotes.
 
Belz... said:
I just can't resist calling that the most inane defense of a historical Jesus I've ever seen.
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I have seen deer tracks, there must be a Santa Claus.

Paul

:) :) :)
 
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edge said:
It's funny how even on their deathbed, when all is over at that last moment of life, that the staunchest of skeptics accept Jesus just in case it's real.
Which is all right, but the harm they do all of there lives, such a shame.
We just witnessed a 93 year old man do this and then die.
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I think it's funny that you find this funny. Put a human being in the most traumatic event of their life and you expect him or her to act rationally?

Panic and fear are not substitutes for reason.
 
Upchurch said:
Yes. He lives in a retirement community in Florida. He travels around in a lil' Rascal cart, complains about the way young people dress these days, and is afraid to operate a computer.
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That was close, I was afraid until the "afradi to operate a computer" was said.

Paul

:) :) :)

Oh, and I'm not in a real retirement community either.
 
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