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Primary reason why 9/11 CT is bunk

Welcome to the forums, shadron!

To protect your sanity, do try to explore other sections of the forum. Sticking to the CT section could drive a person loopy.

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Cheers!
 
I hope this isn't your only post in 2007, shadron. I will miss your avatar!
 
I've been following the 9/11 conspiracy theories -- as much as one can be said to "follow" anything as disjointed as that -- ever since they raised their empy heads on this board.

And I've checked out their Web sites, their YouTube posts, their boards and blogs.

And sure, it's true that they argue from ignorance, that their experts have no expertise, that they make unsupported and often unsupportable claims, that some of their statements are contrary to fact. Yadda yadda yadda. So what?

That's not the primary problem.

The primary problem is this:

Even if their claims regarding the motivations behind, and the goals of, the alleged conspiracy were accurate....

And perhaps they are. After all, just this week we've seen long-buried evidence come to light demonstrating that the military, under the Kennedy administration, developed plans to bomb US targets and blame it on Cuba.

And there's ample evidence that this administration was planning war with the Musulman as early as January of 2001, and their willingness to lie is beyond question.

But even if they had these motivations and goals, here's the trick, boys....

No one would ever have thought to propose such a complex, resource-intensive, high-risk plan as what the CTers are proposing, when there are any number of cheap, quick, low-risk, low-cost alternatives that could be devised.

And even if anyone had proposed such an ambitious, expensive, and likely-to-fail plan which required involving so many contractors in an ultra-sensitive scheme, no one with the power to give a green light would have approved it.

And even if someone had approved it, it would never have passed muster and made it to the planning stage, much less gone through to execution. (Note that the Kennedy-era military plans -- which were simple and low-resource -- were squelched and never made it past the drawing board.)

Hell, even Liddy's Watergate plan -- which cost a couple hundred K, posed very low risk, and involved a mere half dozen outsiders -- was only approved after at least 2 previous plans, which were more costly, complex, and ambitious (but still nothing near what the CTers are describing) were flat-out rejected. And Nixon had no scruples at all.

So you see, all this back-and-forth over details (which the CTers have never been able to push beyond "coulda been" in any case, and which they are demonstrably wrong about in all other cases) is a bunch of sound and fury over nothing.

Their very premise reveals them to be utterly ignorant of how such decisions are made, or else willing to ignore that reality for the sake of a good story. And of course, the elaboration of the theory reveals them to be utterly ignorant of just about every other issue relevant to the event, or else willing to lie.

It's a non-starter, folks.

Yeah but you're ignoring the #1 law of conspiracy theories: the bad guys ALWAYS make things way more complicated and difficult for themselves than necessary.

Why? They just do.

Another indication that the CT stuff is crap: TWOOFERS CAN'T AGREE ON ANYTHING!

If the truth was so bloody obvious then why do twoofers spend so much time arguing over what it is? Shouldn't it be pretty self-evident to them?
 
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I see three separate levels of debunking going on here and elsewhere at the forum:

1. The conspiracy theories about 9/11 have severe and mind-boggling scenario problems. Basically, the CTs are saying the most inept administration in American history brought off the most insanely complicated hoax in world history--and managed to fool everyone in the world except the community of CTs. From start to finish, the 9/11 "inside job" theory is a dumb, silly, impossible scenario.

2. The CTs always get their facts wrong. Most of the action here at JREF is about real researchers and technically trained people setting the conspiracy guys straight on their facts, which they always seem to get wrong. The list of inaccuracies goes on forever: there was no molten steel; "pull it" does not mean to demolish a building; the hijackers are not still alive; WTC7 did not fall down suddenly; etc., etc.

3. The CTs can't seem to agree on their story. As just pointed out--even if they had a good scenario and could get a few facts straight, the CTs would still have to get into some sort of agreement with one another. Most of the debunkings we do are also done by CTs critiquing other CTs. If they had some real facts, they could agree on the story.
 
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I too, agree. The plot is far more complicated then it needs to be. I cant get past 'pre planned explosives' or remote controlled airplanes, because its simply stupid to even contemplate it when you use just common sense.

They use media sources from the same media they label as government controlled and corrupt. The same government so skilled and highly adept at pulling off an operation so complex cant shut down a few nutcase websites or plant a WMD in iraq.

A common thing they say is 'think outside the box' one of those buzz sayings that makes them all warm inside and feel like they are on the right track. I cant think of anythign so within a box of thought as all of the 9/11 'theories'.
 
Nicely and succinctly put Hellaon... I cannot understand how they hang on to such inane impossible notions !
 
Yes I agree as well.

Why do anything past hijacking 4 passenger jets and running them at high speed into national icons?

More than enough to justify a war on Iraq.
 
Like you guys, I have the same mindset, but I also have this theory: if the media is controlled by the government, as the CTer's love to say, then why did they (The media) get their facts wrong during the time that this was happening? The media, if it was controlled by the government, would have some foreknowledge of this occurring and could therefore get their facts straight IMMEDIATELY (as in, right after the first plane hit) and not make ANY mistakes.
 
The media was trying to appear to be innocent and fallible. Very subtle you know.

Thats the power of conspiracy theories. They anticipate these kinds of arguements.
 
Believe me, there are times where I think the media are acting like Britney Spears in "Oops I did it again!"
 

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