Discussion of the Pentagon taxi cab driver's impossible account.

Wow, for once I agree with Dylan!

"Somehow I have trouble believing that convincing people that a plane flew over the Pentagon as opposed to into it is going to have any effect on the general public's opinion as to what happened on 9/11."
 
Alt+F4 said:
Wow, for once I agree with Dylan!

"Somehow I have trouble believing that convincing people that a plane flew over the Pentagon as opposed to into it is going to have any effect on the general public's opinion as to what happened on 9/11."
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Yikes! If Dylan has trouble believing it, it's DOA. Condolences, Lyte!
 
Merc extends an olive branch to Dylan. Please adopt your best Jeff Sepcoli voice when reading this choice stoner plea.

SepticTank4Sure said:
Dylan, I wasn't trying to argue with you.

I've been trying to be cool with you.

I've also been trying to contact you.

Why are you drawing this line in the sand dude?

It's water under the bridge as far as we're concerned.

We desperately need to know if it is ok to use the Lloyd clip (you can use the recording Craig has if you want), the white plane girl (Veronica-we have our own, but it's not as eventful), a piece of Edward, and the McGraw interview.

I know you told us we could use it for our presentation, but that was before we decided that presentation had to be in documentary form.

I promise you dude, we will not misrepresent you or LTW.

I can assure you that this is your best move. This documentary will be so thorough and so complete, and it will be the first WTF! smoking gun proof to start the ball rolling, towards an investigation into WHO and not IF.

Think about how awkward it's going to be when this stuff comes out and we see you at functions, man.

Let's dead this nonsense and keep things cool.
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More fully baked stoner pleas.

SepticTank4Sure said:
Dylan,

Perhaps you don't get it yet.

If the plane is on the North side of the Citgo it HAD TO fly over...there is no alternative. It *could not* have hit the poles and it definitely could have not caused the damage we see to the trailer/wall and the damage inside which ONLY lines ups EXCLUSIVELY with a plane traveling from the Southwest or SOUTH of the Citgo leading up to the C-ring exit hole.

It was poorly simulated damage, Dylan

This plane is doing some crazy stuff man, I'm telling you man, we've been busy. We've been talking to A LOT of people. Again, I remind you I offered my services before this all got ugly man. As a matter of fact, this should have been something we handled in person or on the phone.

Again, we are, no I am, extending the olive branch.

Do you want to talk or do you want to just wait for our evidence, as you put it?
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You just can't make this stuff up!
 
And over in the lounge S4S starts an apology thread:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2454

Why all this grovelling? They don't want to release their competing video without getting permission from Dylan to use footage that I'm guessing he shot. From the first thread:

That One Dood @LC said:
We desperately need to know if it is ok to use the Lloyd clip (you can use the recording Craig has if you want), the white plane girl (Veronica-we have our own, but it's not as eventful), a piece of Edward, and the McGraw interview.

I know you told us we could use it for our presentation, but that was before we decided that presentation had to be in documentary form.

I promise you dude, we will not misrepresent you or LTW.
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http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2414&view=findpost&p=11071802

So it looks like Dylan has the power to scupper the whole project and Lyte and Merc have only just realised this.

Not too bright, are they?
 
I read 10 pages of this thread and couldn't take anymore! Why is it important to the CTers what particular angle this taxi collided with the streetlamp?
 
mattlodder said:
I read 10 pages of this thread and couldn't take anymore! Why is it important to the CTers what particular angle this taxi collided with the streetlamp?
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I've been following this thread from the start. Basically, it boils down to if they can discredit a confused old man, and misrepresent what some people might have seen at a gas station, no plane hit the Pentagon.

Wonderful people, yes?
 
mattlodder said:
I read 10 pages of this thread and couldn't take anymore! Why is it important to the CTers what particular angle this taxi collided with the streetlamp?
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Because they think that they can argue from a small set of anomalies to a conspiracy without any extra evidence. This leads them to focus obsessively on details they think are odd.

For example:

Christopher7 and his hole in the front of WTC7: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71744

Killtown obsessing over one photo: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71407

And the evil thread that spawned this evil thread: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68854
 
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I read 10 pages of this thread and couldn't take anymore! Why is it important to the CTers what particular angle this taxi collided with the streetlamp?
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Merc and Lytes real thing is this.

They are preparing to prove INDISPUTABLY that AA77 flew north of the Citco station which will, in and of itself, then prove CONCLUSIVELY that it could not have hit the Pentagon.

Got that? ALL other evidence will be moot because it was IMPOSSIBLE for it to have hit the Pentagon.

Period. Case Closed. Taking it to CNN NOW.

And, all of us skeptics will be unbelievably remorsefull and thankful to them...
 
I was desperately hoping it was gonna be something more incisive than that! More fool me, huh?

I guess this older post then just about sums up my next question:

aggle-rithm said:
Why is planting 100 false witnesses, bringing down four light poles, pre-damaging a taxi cab so it looks like it was hit by a light pole, putting a big hole in the Pentagon and catching it on fire, planting body parts, plane debris, and a FDR in the middle of the fire, and faking the video evidence, EASIER than just flying a plane into the freakin' Pentagon?
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Soon as you figure that one out, let me know. I sprained my brain stem trying to wrap my mind around it.
 
Yes but they've got quadruple corroborated witnesses who place the plane to the North of the Citgo, five years later mind, but quadruple corroborated.

Add to the fact that five years later an old taxi driver with a bad memory drew a sketch showing a lightpole sticking out that breaks the laws of physics (because a see-saw would never look like that) and you have proof that all that stuff was staged and that 9/11 was an inside job!

If you deny it, you will be forced to call multiple witnesses liars!

/Lyte Trip

That's the gist of it. The two threads about this really are an amazing exercise in stupidity and frustration.

Edited to add, the threads on the Loose Change forum are shorter and more amusing:

Flight Path Irrefutably Established (pre-announcement as protection) http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=636

The Downed Light Poles Were Staged: http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=78

Unfortunately the threads started by Merc (aka Skeptic4Sure aka That One Dood) were deleted. They were a brilliantly ranting attack on "traitor" Russell Pickering and the fantastically paranoid "we are being harassed" thread.
 
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That One Dood @ LC said:
We desperately need to know if it is ok to use the Lloyd clip (you can use the recording Craig has if you want), the white plane girl (Veronica-we have our own, but it's not as eventful), a piece of Edward, and the McGraw interview.

I know you told us we could use it for our presentation, but that was before we decided that presentation had to be in documentary form.

I promise you dude, we will not misrepresent you or LTW.
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But but but... I thought they said that they had everything they needed, indisputable and earth shattering evidence that would make everyone, but everyone, realize that everything we know from actual experts and witnesses and science is wrong and that these loosewiththetruth supersleuths had uncovered the whole plot. I thought they repesented here that it was a done deal, a fait accompli, all in the bag, if you will, and said that the only thing holding up their release of said indisputable and earth shattering evidence was that the production of their video was taking longer than they thought because they weren't experienced with the technical aspects of it.

Now, it appears that they don't even have their evidence lined up and they are grovelling to get some loosechange quality (read: zero credibility) evidence from Do-Over?

Pfft.
 
4 days til the middle of January, the last date provided for us as the release date of the "Earth Shattering" evidence.

Currently awaiting the next Delay Date.

TAM
 
Calcas said:
Merc and Lytes real thing is this.

They are preparing to prove INDISPUTABLY that AA77 flew north of the Citco station which will, in and of itself, then prove CONCLUSIVELY that it could not have hit the Pentagon.

Got that? ALL other evidence will be moot because it was IMPOSSIBLE for it to have hit the Pentagon.

Period. Case Closed. Taking it to CNN NOW.

And, all of us skeptics will be unbelievably remorsefull and thankful to them...
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The whole thing is just one bad Scooby Doo episode come to real life. Do Merc and Lyte drive around DC in their own 911 Mystery Machine? Are their Scooby Snacks baked to resemble the Pentagon? When they bite into them, do they ponder the resemblence of the bitten off Scooby Snacks to the post attack Pentagon? I'm just asking questions.....

Is this death a "suspicious" or am I just being paranoid?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6243717.stm
 
Crungy said:
Merc extends an olive branch to Dylan. Please adopt your best Jeff Sepcoli voice when reading this choice stoner plea.



More fully baked stoner pleas.



You just can't make this stuff up!
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I read this before and laughed. Then you suggested the Specoli voice!

It's even better!
 
Well, it appears that the release of the earth-shattering sooper sekrit evidence that will rock the world and change all of our minds forever, may be delayed once again, at least according to a website that Merc is touting at the loose with the truth forum here

<snip> You have reached the website that will unveil a documentary presenting groundbreaking evidence demonstrating beyond a reasonable doubt that the 9/11 official story is false.
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<snip>The conclusion is definitive and has uncovered a legitimate smoking gun.
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<snip>this smoking gun evidence can not be ignored.
Stay tuned and check back as we anticipate the release of the film by the end of January 2007.
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Granted, it says "by" the end of January and not "at" the end of January so their earlier expectation of mid-January may still materialize, but I won't hold my breath.

Interestingly, their new website's domain is remarkably similar to www.pentacon.com which belongs to an aeronautical fastener distribution company (Pentacon Inc.) which has longstanding military connections. *gasp*

<snip>Anixter Pentacon isn't deploying any troops, just scads of military fasteners. A subsidiary of Anixter International, Anixter Pentacon distributes many types of fasteners and related components. In addition to distribution services, Pentacon also offers testing, procurement, inventory management, kitting, and assembly services. It draws its customers primarily from aerospace and military manufacturers. The company uses its parent company's extensive network of distribution locations, and operates its own service centers in California, Texas, and Quebec.
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From Pentacon's website at www.pentacon.com:

<snip>Anixter Pentacon, a full-line distributor of military/aerospace fasteners and component hardware, supplies both commercial and defense markets for production and maintenance requirements.

Anixter Pentacon has developed core fastener and hardware stocks for the aerospace and military markets based on our 30+ years in business supporting OEMs, subcontractors, MRO, airline operators and distributors.
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Something tells me that the Pentacon people would not much care for being inadvertently associated with tinhatters spewing their delusional fantasies about what happened at the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.
 
damn it...ok

resetting my TiVO to the end of January...ok...there we go...

ok...now only 19 days left until the "earth shattering" evidence on 9/11 that will set the record straight for all time...

TAM
 
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