How Loony are the Loons?

"so what applications does a gas chromograph have that an electronics engineer might utilize?"

I never said I used one, YOU are the one taking a statement and twisting it to fit your needs....

Just what you claim the CTers do. I told you I work in Electronics. I can encounter different equipment at different times, but you have this very NARROW thought capability.

Just like when a truther shows a quote from a police or fireman, you people will say they "meant" this rather than what they said.

Why don't you stop trying to twist things??? I have dealt with Electrometers and Spectrometers, that does not necessarily meant that they sat on my bench. It could also meant that I designed tests for them, after all I am a Engineer.

MORON!
you said you worked on a gas chromograph, that usually means youve used it

and i work on servers that insurance agencies use, doesnt mean i know a damn thing about insurance

but why would you even bring up these things?

....unless of ocurse your trying to "wow" us with big words and fancy equipment
 
"No they are not, you as a professional electronics engineer should know this."

Actually they are.....

If you increase resistance, you decrease current.

If you increase voltage, you increase current.

RELATIONAL!

So which law states this?

If you increase the resistance the demand from the supply will increase to maintain the voltage across the load. This demand is the current. The increase in the resistance is not proportional to the either the voltage across it or the current supplied to it. It is totally separate.


Now state the law that that covers this.
 
"Okay then, when would I need to use an electroscope? Why would I use one over Volt-Ohmmeter?"

First, I have not clue wath an electroscope is so I can't even begin to tell you because this is something YOU just made up.

Second, if your refering to an electrometer then you would use it for investigating small changes in energy which a voltmeter is incapable of measuring. Usually in the pAmps or fAmps.
an electroscope is poretty mucht he same thing as an electrometer, just not a sensative

but i think the crux the question was, when would need to use an instrument as sensative as an electrometer?
 
"Negative. My bench has 3 lambda power supplies(28VDC,115AC and 5 VDC), an O scope, a Simpson 260 VOM, a Fluke 87 and if i have "trouble with my measurments" I send the trouble unit to cal.(No, not California). I dont call the nuclear plant and have someone bring down an electroscope to work my outlets..:rolleyes:"

This just goes to show your ignorance! Before you go attacking someone for something you KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, why don't you investigate it first?

I'll tell you what.... Try and measure a DAC with a 33uV step resolution with a ground floor noise of 1mV. When you can't do that, you will probably try to determine why you have such a large ground noise. You will probably call in someone to analyze your voltage lines to see if there is a ground loop, whe you do they will bring in equipment that will measure your voltage lines and the energy that is being generated through your area. They will do this with something that is sensitive enough to measure uV to pV to determine if the florecent lights might be adding to this ground floor.

You can spout off equipment, but that does not mean that you are an Engineer. I maintain our lab and the Tester that is in our facility and have had to bring in people to analyze our noise issues.

NEXT!
 
"T.A.M.", at least you can debate..... Thanks.... Now to answer your questions.

1) Actually, things can and do have "speed" and "velocity", it just matters on the context.
"Just as distance and displacement have distinctly different meanings (despite their similarities), so do speed and velocity. Speed is a scalar quantity which refers to "how fast an object is moving." A fast-moving object has a high speed while a slow-moving object has a low speed. An object with no movement at all has a zero speed.
Velocity is a vector quantity which refers to "the rate at which an object changes its position." Imagine a person moving rapidly - one step forward and blah, blah, blah...


Dammit... he's figured out how to use formatting.

He's evolving!!!
 
I will bet money that you had not idea, or clue, that the WTC was a hermetically sealed enviroment and that the air would force it's way through the path of least resistance.
I didn't give out an Idiotic CT Quote of the Week last week, so I'll slap that title on this doozy.
 
" If you increase the resistance the demand from the supply will increase to maintain the voltage across the load. This demand is the current. The increase in the resistance is not proportional to the either the voltage across it or the current supplied to it. It is totally separate."

You really don't have any clue to what your talking about do you?????

If you increase the the resistance, the demand from the supply will decrease. If you lower the resistance, then the demand from the supply will increase.

tsk tsk tsk..... Engineering 101, I guess you failed this?
 
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^^ It is a nice button.
 
You can spout off equipment, but that does not mean that you are an Engineer. I maintain our lab and the Tester that is in our facility and have had to bring in people to analyze our noise issues.

NEXT!
i may not be a professional electronic anything, but i know my way around a multimetermeter and a circuit board and even i think your the one spouting off a equipment, so far youve mentioned equipment used by nuclear physicists and chemists, but nothing i can imagine an electrical engineer using

Dammit... he's figured out how to use formatting.

He's evolving!!!
i dont know, looks to me like he copied and pasted that from a website and formatting just came with it automatically, i shoudl throw it in google and see what comes up, lol
 
This just goes to show your ignorance! Before you go attacking someone for something you KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, why don't you investigate it first?

I'll tell you what.... Try and measure a DAC with a 33uV step resolution with a ground floor noise of 1mV. When you can't do that, you will probably try to determine why you have such a large ground noise. You will probably call in someone to analyze your voltage lines to see if there is a ground loop, whe you do they will bring in equipment that will measure your voltage lines and the energy that is being generated through your area. They will do this with something that is sensitive enough to measure uV to pV to determine if the florecent lights might be adding to this ground floor.

You can spout off equipment, but that does not mean that you are an Engineer. I maintain our lab and the Tester that is in our facility and have had to bring in people to analyze our noise issues.

NEXT!
Well, that does it for me. 9/11 was an inside job!

p.s. Spell check is your buddy. And please use the quote button when you want to reply to someone and include their quote in your reply.
 
1) Actually, things can and do have "speed" and "velocity", it just matters on the context.


Speed is a componant of velocity. Everything that has a velocity automatically has a speed.



4) NIST and their team was were largely made up of people who rely upon the government to obtain their income. They were directly told by the Bush admin what they should look for. i.e. that it was caused by the plane and the fire.


We don't look keenly on unsupported claims here. I take it you will present evidence that the US Administration gave these directives to NIST?



Not to investigate and rule out all possible/plausible situations. NIST violated their own SOP (standard operating procedure) in that they did not investigate all possible senerios. A scientist/engineer will investigate the issue even if they do not feel that it is viable, just to ensure they can 100% rule it out. NIST states they did not pursue this. Against thier SOP.


False. As soon as a given explanation can be ruled out, a good scientist will cease wasting time and effort investigating it. NIST ruled out demolition as an explanation, thus did not waste good time investigating it. They also ruled out a number of other explanations such as a volcano, godzilla, or aliens.



I cannot prove or disprove this, but neither can anyone else.


False. NIST proved it. That was the entire purpose of their report.



How about providing evidence as to how a pool of molten iron can be formed and flowing within the rubble of all 3 WTC's without an external source to generate the temperatures needed?


1) Molten (actually near-molten) steel (not iron) was only found in ONE part of the WTC1/2 site. There was no molten metal found at WTC7, nor was it widespread. This is a classic example of CTer "theory creep" whereby a very minor detail is expanded beyond what the evidence supports. For example "8 mile debris field" to "debris 8 miles away" to "multiple debris fields".

Subterranean fires will burn for a very long time and will burn through a fuel supply very slowly. Because the fires are insulated they will remain at very high temperatures. Burning Mountain in Australia and Centralia, PA are examples of this.

When the WTC towers collapsed tonnes and tonnes of fuel were buried underground along with the extensive fires burning inside the buildings at the time. Left insulated underground, these fires would continue to burn at extreme temperature until all the fuel was consumed.




6) Grainy video?? How about the fact that FIREFIGHTERS are making statements that the largest piece found was a 1" piece of a phone. "No chairs, desks" etc... Not my words the words of a fireman. You believe that there was piles of debris left from the WTC???? There was nothing left of the buildings, even though both was hit diferently they both fell IDENTICALLY.


The briefest glance at the debris will demonstrate some of the pieces were enormous, and the briefest review of the collapses will quickly demonstrate that they did not collapse the same at all, let alone identically.



1) What allowed the other buildings in the area, which received much more damage to remain standing while only WTC1, 2, and 7 fell? WTC 5 was on fire completely for hours and had extreme damage to it, yet it did not collapse. They had to "pull it" latter after the recovery ended.


WTC3, 4, 5 and 6 were low lying buildings with a much larger footprint in relation to their height than WTC1, 2 or 7. As such a collapse is going to be much less likely.

Despite this, WTC3 (22 stories) was torn in half by the collapse of WTC2 and its destruction was completed by WTC1's collapse.

WTC4 (9 stories) was also severly damaged and ultimately had to be demolished.

WTC5 (9 stories) suffered collapse on all but the first 3 floors of the structure due to the collapse of other buildings and fire damage.

WTC6 (7 stories) was severely damaged, with only a shell left, the entire middle of the building having been obliterated. The structure of the building was so severly destroyed on 9/11 that a regular demolition could not be carried out on it. Instead heavy steel cables were used to pull the remaining walls in onto the building.

You claim that these buildings suffered more severe damage than WTC7, 1 and 2, but this is simply not true. For example, the impact zone of WTC2 was 7 stories - the same as the ENTIRE expanse of WTC6 and 78% of the entire expanse of WTC4 and 5.

The buildings that were not totally destroyed - WTC4, 5, and 6, were not highrises, they were lowrises. As such damaged floors were not carrying enormous loads from upper floors.


2) Why was NIST restricted in how it would perform its investigation? Why did it not test for ALL plausible situations per their SOP?

They did. Controlled Demolition is not a plausible scenario.



3) Why does the Government still to this day state that only 1 black box was recovered when rescue workers state they helped the FBI recover 3 of the 4 from the WTC? Why deny this when rescue workers state they were found?

A couple of workers who will not now confirm their story claim to have found them. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to collaborate their now out-of-date claims.



4) Why does NIST refuse to address the discrepencies found in the FDR from flight 77 and flight 93?


NIST has nothing to do with aircraft crash investigations.



5) Why has the government refused and faught so hard from ANY investigation into the worst attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor.


The criminal and technical investigations commenced immediately on 9/11, and many of them are ongoing. They involved input from a myriad of agencies at both the federal and state level.

The investigation the government resisted was an investigation of the government's failure to stop the attacks prior to 9/11. This was not an investigation into the attacks themselves, but essentially an investigation if the US government were negligent at stopping it. This investigation was created at the demand of victims. While I think such an investigation was sensible (to help prevent future attacks) I can understand the government's reluctance (the families of victims just wanted someone to blame).

-Gumboot
 
Excellent reply, Gumboot. RemoveBush, this has all been covered here ad nauseum. Do you have anything new to offer?
 
" If you increase the resistance the demand from the supply will increase to maintain the voltage across the load. This demand is the current. The increase in the resistance is not proportional to the either the voltage across it or the current supplied to it. It is totally separate."

You really don't have any clue to what your talking about do you?????

If you increase the the resistance, the demand from the supply will decrease. If you lower the resistance, then the demand from the supply will increase.

No, if you increase the resistance the demand from the supply will increase to maintain the voltage across the load. This increase will continue until the supply is unable to meet the requirements of the resistance. This will make the voltage drop, because the current demanded from the supply is unable to maintain the potential across the load.

Now which law covers this?
 
No, if you increase the resistance the demand from the supply will increase to maintain the voltage across the load. This increase will continue until the supply is unable to meet the requirements of the resistance. This will make the voltage drop, because the current demanded from the supply is unable to maintain the potential across the load.

Now which law covers this?

I think we need to administer a small test on the law you've been asking of him, one that he can't Google for the answers. Maybe we could draw up a simple series circuit and have him solve for the values of the resistors...or something like that.
 
No, if you increase the resistance the demand from the supply will increase to maintain the voltage across the load. This increase will continue until the supply is unable to meet the requirements of the resistance. This will make the voltage drop, because the current demanded from the supply is unable to maintain the potential across the load.

Now which law covers this?

Increasing the resistance of a load on a power supply reduces the current needed to maintain the same voltage.

If you reduce the resistance to zero by shorting the power supply leads, the power supply will try to deliver a huge amount of current and hopefully will blow a fuse before the power supply is damaged.

28K, I mean RemoveBush is correct.
 
I'll tell you what.... Try and measure a DAC with a 33uV step resolution with a ground floor noise of 1mV. When you can't do that, you will probably try to determine why you have such a large ground noise. You will probably call in someone to analyze your voltage lines to see if there is a ground loop, whe you do they will bring in equipment that will measure your voltage lines and the energy that is being generated through your area. They will do this with something that is sensitive enough to measure uV to pV to determine if the florecent lights might be adding to this ground floor.
NEXT!

Sorry, noise in the picovolt range doesnt bother most electronics and it certainly wouldn't be considered "large". Maybe it bothers the nuclear physicists, but not electronics people.
 
You guys are killing me!
We gotta do something, Gravy. After all you've got that award-winning avatar that Oliver made and is funny enough to raise the spirits of the most demoralized true skeptic, day or night... :D
 
I think we need to administer a small test on the law you've been asking of him, one that he can't Google for the answers. Maybe we could draw up a simple series circuit and have him solve for the values of the resistors...or something like that.
Resistors? Did somebody say resistors? Oh no I'm having a relapse of Electricity class in the 10th grade back in Ohio, NO! Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls, But Violet Gives Willingly for Silver and Gold! NOOooooo!!!!
 

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