Merged Let's Talk about Insurance Fraud!

Once the 9-11 event happened all insurance companies changed rules slightly.

Example in my business as a private contractor requiring liability insurance suddenly all types of claims were now considered acts of terrorism from the destruction of my equipment and damage to property to being beaten upon the job of which there is a good chance being a cleaning contract in a casino hotel.
See when I go to Vegas I try to spread that around a bit. The people I beat up after losing the next 3 mortgage payments at the tables. But sure, cleaning contractors can be considered big slow-moving targets for acts of Craps Rage that we all are subject to, I'll admit that. It's the stuff on those carts you guys have, you know? I mean, when I lose at craps, and then I see all those rolls of toilet paper on the cleaning cart - something just busts loose inside me.

But I digress.

These insurance dudes now want to consider me a terrorist? I'm just letting off steam! Sheez! Hell, I never even make a video after my Craps Rage, claiming responsibility! I really resent that. It's Bush, man. Thinks everybody's a "terrist". I'm just a normal guy trying to even the score!
 
One of the towers were insulated with asbestos from bottom to top while the other one was from bottom to 64th floor. Some interesting info...

The World Trade Towers were not the real estate plum we are led to believe. From an economic standpoint, the trade center -- subsidized since its inception by the NY Port Authority -- has never functioned, nor was it intended to function, unprotected in therough-and-tumble real estate marketplace. How could Silverstein Group have been ignorant of this? The towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built. It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an ageing dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due to the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to dissemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishingthe buildings. The projected cost to disassemble the towers: $15 Billion. Just the scaffolding for the operation was estimated at $2.4 Billion! In other words, the Twin Towers were condemned structures.
 
One of the towers were insulated with asbestos from bottom to top while the other one was from bottom to 64th floor. Some interesting info...
. . . . which appears to have nothing to do with what is being discussed in this thread. :confused:
 
All right, I did a little research on business interruption coverage and loss of rental income.

Business interruption and 9/11

It mentions that there were a number of BI claims stemming from companies leasing at the WTC, which makes sense. Nothing on whether or not Silverstein had any BIC.

There is also this, which gives more information about Silverstein's coverage. It mentions that the payout is $25 million a month, or $300 million a year. There isn't any mention of what kind of policy this is covered under, but it might be a rider on the general liability, or it might be a separate policy. It doesn't really matter, as the end result is the same. No mention of any time limits on the coverage either, but I would imagine there is some kind of time or dollar value cap.

Business interruption coverage, from what I've been able to find, is issued with a dollar cap of around $25 - 50 million without any reinsurance. That's not nearly enough to cover the loss of rental income that Silverstein is facing, so he must have a different line of coverage (or policy rider) that specifically mentions loss of rental income over the duration of rebuilding.

And, for the conspiracy people playing along at home, keep in mind that this is income that Silverstein is losing by not having rentable office space, not some gracious gift from the insurance companies.

Another thing to keep in mind is that insurance for this kind of loss is sometimes at a percentage of the actual value, or calculated in some way as to not fully cover the lost rent.

There is also a NY government report on the financial impact of 9/11 worth looking at, for perspective. Of course, it was created for the government (the New York senate finance committee, that is), so I'm sure the CTist can dismiss it as lies, lies, and more lies.

I also see that Silverstein is still paying over $100 million a year in rent for the site.
 
One of the towers were insulated with asbestos from bottom to top while the other one was from bottom to 64th floor. Some interesting info...

Could you please cite the sources for all of this?

The WTC towers enjoyed high occupany with an excellent rental base, and were extremely modern constructions. They were built in the late '60s, and it is extremely common in NYC to find buildings built pre-WWII in excellent condition. Refurbishing buildings isn't some new thing.

So, if you're going to suggest that the 9/11 attacks were done as an excuse to destroy the towers and collect some money to rebuild them because they were "ageing [sic] dinosaurs", I'd love to see some citation.
 
Definately satire...and did make I laugh ('specially to 110 storey scaffold :D)

You're right, of course. Apparently, my humour meter was malfunctioning last night. I blame the troofers. ;)
 
Definately satire...and did make I laugh ('specially to 110 storey scaffold :D)

Laugh away, but this whole discussion has definitely been brought up by the CT crowd:

Fetzer: My impression has been that there were a couple of problems with the towers and it may have been that they were chronic problems. One of course was that it was laden with asbestos and that any proposal to remove that asbestos which was used as a coating on the steel as I understand it would have been a gargantuan task at incredible expense. Can anyone imagine for example of constructing scaffolding around a 110 story building? And second of all that there were difficulties with occupancy that Larry Silverstein wasn’t getting a full return on his investment from the ordinary use of the buildings, because a tremendous large numbers of offices were unoccupied. Whole floors and sections of the buildings.
 
The thing I love most about the CT crowd is that there is always someone to entertain literally every crazy theory. Nothing is too much.

Beam weapons? Sure.

Holographic planes? No problem.

C4-coated concrete building core? Yep.

All insurance fraud? You betcha.

160 billion in gold? Of course.

It's a like a circus composed entirely of clowns and trained bears, and the bears eat the clowns and I really don't know where I'm going with this.
 
Well, with my troofer mad maths skillz, I can extrapolate away.

My house is two stories high, and currently being partly re-roofed. The scaffolding is costing £100 for three days.

If I multiply by 55, to get to the 110 stories of the WTC, then convert to dollars, I get. . .

(counts on fingers)

wait, I'm nearly there,

(takes off socks to count on toes)

Three hundred billion dollars! And that's just for the scaffold!

Thus, I have conclusively proved that the towers were demolished for insurance fraud. Or that I am a mutant with far too many toes.
 
Three hundred billion dollars! And that's just for the scaffold!

Thus, I have conclusively proved that the towers were demolished for insurance fraud. Or that I am a mutant with far too many toes.

I think you might want to consider seeing a doctor now.
 
I try, but for some reason I'm having terrible trouble walking :p

Well, then I suppose you might as well stay inside and come up with conspiracy theories then.

I heard the Banker Jooz had something to do with it, or possibly the Masons. You know, the W.B. Mason office supply company.
 
The theory that the buildings were white elephants and too expensive to dismantle is preposterous,

If there was asbestos it certainly wasn't on the steel From what I understand when the buildings were constructed the first tower was sprayed to the Th floor with asbestos fireproofing.from then on it was mineral fiber spray, The existing asbestos from the Th floor down was abated, Whether that means encapsulated or removed I do not know. Do you have any idea how many old office buildings contain friable asbestos and lead coatings in Manhattan alone?

The part about the scaffolding cracks me up. you can not assemble a pipe scaffold higher than 125 feet according to OSHA. And Ive never even seen one that high. and you don't even need scaffolding to maintain or disassemble the curtain wall of a modern skyscraper.

As far as dismantling the steel. Climbing sections for tower cranes can be stacked in an elevator shaft or adjacent to the exterior.

Not to mention all the construction material when could have easily been sorted for recycling as the building was dismantled. steel, Concrete for aggregate, aluminum extrusions, stainless, copper wire, mineral fiber, gypsum, They even recycle ceiling tile now.
 
The theory that the buildings were white elephants and too expensive to dismantle is preposterous,

Well said.

It pretty much sums up the ridculousness of the whole idea. The buildings were cash cows for Silverstein and essentially fully occupied (which is almost unheard of in Manhattan real estate). So he conspired to destroy them to lose billions of dollars.

The only way they can even make it work in CT think world is to make up stuff about billions in gold.

Woo woo!
 
Too late to edit now so this is the correction. Apparently I had my numlock off and the "37TH" floor didn't come through in my post above last night.


well I see now that I had no problem typing 125 feet so it must have been the Black Ops in their Black Helicopters who took some of my nunbers overnight. Or maybe SILVERSTEIN PULLED THEM! "we have had such a terrible loss of numerals here today. so they just decided to pull them"
 
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The World Trade Towers were not the real estate plum we are led to believe. From an economic standpoint, the trade center -- subsidized since its inception by the NY Port Authority -- has never functioned, nor was it intended to function, unprotected in therough-and-tumble real estate marketplace. How could Silverstein Group have been ignorant of this?
not only silverstein but Vornado Realty Trust, The Trump Organization, Boston Properties, Tishman Speyer and Gale & Wentworth all put in bids for the WTC lease, were they all ignorant of its problems too? or were they all in the on conspiracy too?

The towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built. It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell.
source?

For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an ageing dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due to the known asbestos problem.
source?

Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to dissemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishingthe buildings. The projected cost to disassemble the towers: $15 Billion. Just the scaffolding for the operation was estimated at $2.4 Billion! In other words, the Twin Towers were condemned structures.
again, source?
 
not only silverstein but Vornado Realty Trust, The Trump Organization, Boston Properties, Tishman Speyer and Gale & Wentworth all put in bids for the WTC lease, were they all ignorant of its problems too? or were they all in the on conspiracy too?

Not only that, but Vornado won the bidding, only to withdraw their bid. So Silverstein got lucky on it. Or, I suppose, unlucky given what actually happened.

again, source?

Does his mind count as a source?
 

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