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WTC Discussion: Core Column Temperature & Failure.

aggle-rithm said:
28K, can I ask this question one more time?

If the glowing material pouring out of the tower is thermite that was used to sever the interior columns, how did it travel the 60+ feet from the columns to the edge of the building without solidifying?
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Additionally, if the material were ignited thermite it would be yellowish-white in color.
 
28th Kingdom said:
That's an easy question. Um, what bout the HUGE airliner that crashed into the building doing 500mph? You all like to forget this fact when it becomes inconvenient, right? Maybe this plane busted open some therma/ite containers...which scattered the therma/ite powder across the building.
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So you are saying the outer columns do not have to be cut.

Yet you say the interior columns are capable of supporting the entire mass with the outer columns buckled. So the outer columns can support the whole mass with the core columns cut. Thus the outer columns need to be cut.

I call

DoubleSpeak
 
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28th Kingdom said:
That's an easy question. Um, what bout the HUGE airliner that crashed into the building doing 500mph? You all like to forget this fact when it becomes inconvenient, right? Maybe this plane busted open some therma/ite containers...which scattered the therma/ite powder across the building.

The corner we see the therma/ite pouring from in this video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=545886459853896774

Is on the opposite side from where the plane impacted...so the plane would have pushed any materials in the building i.e. therma/ite over to this side.
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Or, as an alternate explanation, the aluminum from the plane settled against this far wall, as did a large quantity of burning jet fuel, providing both the material and the heat to produce molten metal.

Since, as Gravy mentioned, glass has the same melting point as aluminum, and it glows orange when melted, and there was likely a great deal of broken glass as the result of the collision, isn't it possible there was glass in there as well?

The advantage of this explanation is that we KNOW there was fire, we KNOW there was aluminum, and we KNOW there was other material, such as glass, that could have imparted an orange glow to the metal. We DON'T know there was thermite, so it is an unnecessary entity.

Also, look at how this molten material is giving off sparks like a therma/ite reaction. Those sparks and reactions are caused from heat that exceeds temperatures that could have been present on those impact floors. Why? Because, science tells us that certain materials can only burn so hot. Jet fuel, can only burn up to about 1000C, and organic material such as computers, furniture, carpet etc...burn even cooler than that.
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Do you have a source for this? It seems to me there are many factors that make a material burn hotter or cooler than it normally does. Did you know that it is possible to melt a charcoal grill by burning charcoal?

You would temperatures in excess of 1000C to make a molten metal spark and react like that. This is another way, I claim I scientifically proved this had to be therma/ite or a therma/ite like substance.
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No, to scientifically prove something you have to do more than use big words and claim it is true. Otherwise, I could scientifically prove that monkeys are flying out of my butt, and the word "scientific" would lose all meaning.
 
28th Kingdom said:
That's an easy question. Um, what bout the HUGE airliner that crashed into the building doing 500mph? You all like to forget this fact when it becomes inconvenient, right? Maybe this plane busted open some therma/ite containers...which scattered the therma/ite powder across the building.
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if it scattered the powder across the building that raises 2 questions

1: how did enough remain collected (in a pile i assume) to create a self sustaining reaction

2: what produced the heat necessary to ignite the reaction, since the scattered powerder was presumably separated from the ignition device

3: before you speculate what happened to your hypothetical devices dont you want provide a proof of concept that such a device can exist and work as your describe it?

and organic material such as computers
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computers are organic? thats news to me

here i thought they were made of hydrocarbon plastic, metals and silicon
 
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Remember this is the CIA/Mossad/Jews/Illuminati we are dealing with here. You really think they would use something like thermite? Don't be so naive man. These guys have access to techologies you can't even imagine. What happened was that those flights were never hijacked by islamists at all. They were filled with a special substance that weakens steel whilst looking just like a jet fuel fire and THAT is what brought the towers down. Not thermite. You need to open your eyes. Or is it that you are part of this conspiracy yourself? Yes that's it isn't it? You've brought thermite into it so it can be easily disproved and make it look like it was just hijacked planes. A clever way of distracting attention for what really happened which was the willful murder of 1000 americans (the numbers are all lies of course) by Bush and his owl cronies in order to start a war which will bring money in for their arms manufactering firms and ultimately cause chaos from which the Chosen Few will take world power once and for all. You and your NIST cronies are clever but not that clever. Anyone with a brain can see this whole thing - the planes, the towers, the people, the police, the engineers, this website and all your posts are all part of the same conspiracy.
 
aggle-rithm said:
No, to scientifically prove something you have to do more than use big words and claim it is true.
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OMG...I'm so glad you said that. THAT'S exactly what NIST has done...and that's what all of you continue to do. When we were talking about the core columns collapsing...everyone just tries to use a bunch of big words...to explain something that is impossible. Hey, man...we've got gravity loads transferring and lateral forces interacting with exoskeletons....not too mention that plane which crashed at 500mph. The plane impact alone...warped the physical domain and all scientific laws within it....so yea, the 37 non-severed core columns in WTC 2 could have buckled and broke in the one second of pressure it encountered after the outer columns failed.

At what temperature does glass glow yellow-orange in broad daylight?

Thanks.
 
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doncha just love how CT kooks want to discredit the official reports, and go and use what is IN those reports as a support for their arguments?

Can't have it both ways. Either the reports are in their entirety bunk, or you agree with them.
 
14 pages of nonsense.

He might be (OK is) a moron but he sure knows how to troll.
 
defaultdotxbe said:
computers are organic? thats news to me
here i thought they were made of hydrocarbon plastic, metals and silicon
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Are you disagreeing with NIST:

"Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers)"

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
 
28th Kingdom said:
OMG...I'm so glad you said that. THAT'S exactly what NIST has done...and that's what all of you continue to do. When we were talking about the core columns collapsing...everyone just tries to use a bunch of big words...to explain something that is impossible. Hey, man...we've got gravity loads transferring and lateral forces interacting with exoskeletons....not too mention that plane which crashed at 500mph. The plane impact alone... warped the physical domain..and all scientific laws within it....so yea, the 37 non-severed core columns in WTC 2 could have buckled and broke in the one second of pressure it encountered after the outer columns failed.

At what temperature does glass glow yellow-orange in broad daylight?

Thanks.
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its as simple as ockhams razor (although im not sure we shoudl trust you with sharp objects)

we saw planes crash into the buildings
we see the columns bowing inward
we see the video of the perimeter columns failing
we see the tower collapse

the logical conclusion is that without the support of the perimeter columns the core was overwhelmed (given that core was supporting more than double its designed spec i dont see this as surprising)

you claim it would have held up and hypothesis explosives/thermite (despite their being no physical evidence of either)

therefore the burden of proof rests squarely on your shoulders to prove thermite or explosives are a necessary element


....i wish ockham had a sword, a dramatic resheathing would go nicely here...
 
aggle-rithm said:
Did you know that it is possible to melt a charcoal grill by burning charcoal?
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In fact, given the right set-up, you can completely destroy the grill.


http://www.doeblitz.net/ghg/

It was decided to "sacrifice" a cheap (on sale for $2.88 at OSCO's) grill to the fire gods. It was loaded with charcoal, with one briquette smoldering, and 5 gallons of LOX were dumped on, causing the grill to melt down and then almost completely vaporize.
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28th Kingdom said:
OMG...I'm so glad you said that. THAT'S exactly what NIST has done...and that's what all of you continue to do. When we were talking about the core columns collapsing...everyone just tries to use a bunch of big words...to explain something that is impossible. Hey, man...we've got gravity loads transferring and lateral forces interacting with exoskeletons....not too mention that plane which crashed at 500mph. The plane impact alone... warped the physical domain..and all scientific laws within it....so yea, the 37 non-severed core columns in WTC 2 could have buckled and broke in the one second of pressure it encountered after the outer columns failed.

At what temperature does glass glow yellow-orange in broad daylight?

Thanks.
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Please just present your facts and answer your own quesions.

Most people do not have to use ignore, they just do it.

Can you repeat this post in english?
 
28th Kingdom said:
OMG...I'm so glad you said that. THAT'S exactly what NIST has done...and that's what all of you continue to do. When we were talking about the core columns collapsing...everyone just tries to use a bunch of big words...to explain something that is impossible. Hey, man...we've got gravity loads transferring and lateral forces interacting with exoskeletons....not too mention that plane which crashed at 500mph.
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Just because you don't understand these big words doesn't mean they're meaningless. Why do you think people who DO understand them have no problem accepting NIST's theory? Does it bother you that ignorance is required to make the theory implausible?

The plane impact alone... warped the physical domain..and all scientific laws within it....so yea, the 37 non-severed core columns in WTC 2 could have buckled and broke in the one second of pressure it encountered after the outer columns failed.
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You know, sometimes I feel sorry for you because it's clear you suffer from a severe personality disorder, and are thus not completely to blame for your twisted beliefs. However, posts like this make my sympathy melt away like magical thermite.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Are you disagreeing with NIST:

"Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers)"

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
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alright, ill accept NISTs conclusions and withdraw my comment

does this mean your acepting them as well? i thought NIST were evil doublethinkers that could never be trusted
 
defaultdotxbe said:
computers are organic? thats news to me

here i thought they were made of hydrocarbon plastic, metals and silicon
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I don't know what the heck kind of computer you're using, but my computer keyboard contains an astonishing percentage of cookie crumbs, coffee stains, what looks like a piece of deli meat and whatever that slime is that my baby's hands are always coated with - it's kind of a mixture of drool and applesauce.
 
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