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WTC Discussion: Core Column Temperature & Failure.

28th Kingdom said:
My point is...the 37 non-severed core columns started to break without any falling mass...so they had to of buckled at the impact floors...and it had to of taken place in the span of one second...and it had to of occurred without any lateral loads...because even the trusses pulling away from the outer perimeter (on the impact floors) would turn into vertical loads, as they swung downwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Buckled_column.png

And, there wasn't any direct force bearing down on them like in this picture, was there? The 37 non-severed core columns went to the top of the structure so nothing was above them pushing down on them.
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Okay, I was right, you have lost the right to be taken seriously.

Here's a picture of a cat about to bite me in the foot. This was less painful than reading your post.

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defaultdotxbe said:
im sure youve learned to recognize that crazed look in his eye, lol
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Yeah, he nailed me while I was fiddling with the camera. Ninja cat, he is.....in retrospect, I'm kind of glad his previous family had him declawed....Although I do have a hypothesis that that is part of why he bites more than other cats I've had. And harder too!

When I first got him, he bit me on the chin once, and it was so bad, I thought for a while that I'd have to shave my beard just to put a bandage on it!
 
Horatius said:
Yeah, he nailed me while I was fiddling with the camera. Ninja cat, he is.....in retrospect, I'm kind of glad his previous family had him declawed....Although I do have a hypothesis that that is part of why he bites more than other cats I've had. And harder too!

When I first got him, he bit me on the chin once, and it was so bad, I thought for a while that I'd have to shave my beard just to put a bandage on it!
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You should get him to be domesticated.
 
Let's just all revert back to acting like 2nd graders...as soon as I start edifying you of the undeniable truth. Great work, guys! But, don't make it so obvious next time...it really blows your cover.

The problem is that since NIST doesn't have a direct opinion on how the core columns collapsed...all of you are kinda left like... Do a what? Uh, what's a core column, there man. I don't have anybody to give me my opinion on that one...sorry though, but I can't think independent from what I'm told by my braintrust in the gubment...they love me and like to take care of me by depreciating the value of the dollar so that they can pilfer away my retirement savings...but at least they give me my free medicare flu shot each year, that contains mercury, so I can die a nice painful death...I lub you gubbyment.

XOXO
 
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Horatius said:
Yeah, he nailed me while I was fiddling with the camera. Ninja cat, he is.....in retrospect, I'm kind of glad his previous family had him declawed....Although I do have a hypothesis that that is part of why he bites more than other cats I've had. And harder too!

When I first got him, he bit me on the chin once, and it was so bad, I thought for a while that I'd have to shave my beard just to put a bandage on it!
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haha..reminds me of the time, i got so drunk, that i stared down my friend's Shiba Inu dog, and he took a bite of my nose.

Never. EVER. Stare. Down. A. Dog. When. You. Are. Drunk.

scratch that, never stare down a dog at all.

I had a scar on my nose for three weeks.

The funny thing, was that I was laughing about it after it happened, because I didn't realize my nose was bleeding until someone pointed it out to me.
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28th Kingdom said:
My point is...the 37 non-severed core columns started to break without any falling mass
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In the presence of gravity, all mass is constantly being accelerated downward (this is known as "weight").

...so they had to of buckled at the impact floors...and it had to of taken place in the span of one second
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You're making a couple of unjustified assumptions here. One is that all the columns had to break before the collapse began. Some could have been broken during the collapse. The other assumption is that it takes a significant amount of time to transfer the load to other columns when a column breaks.

...and it had to of occurred without any lateral loads...because even the trusses pulling away from the outer perimeter (on the impact floors) would turn into vertical loads, as they swung downwards.
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They wouldn't turn into purely vertical loads until they were completely vertical. And even this would only happen were the trusses to separate completely from the perimeter columns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Buckled_column.png

And, there wasn't any direct force bearing down on them like in this picture, was there? The 37 non-severed core columns went to the top of the structure so nothing was above them pushing down on them.
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I think that you've just discovered a great way to save on the cost of constructing a building. You only need to use a single core column as long as that column extends thru the roof!
 
28th Kingdom said:
Let's just all revert back to acting like 2nd graders...as soon as I start edifying you of the undeniable truth. Great work, guys! But, don't make it so obvious next time...it really blows your cover.
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Rats! Smelled out again by a clever troofer, when will we learn we'll never fool them?

Oh, who cares, the pay is great!
 
28th Kingdom said:
My point is...the 37 non-severed core columns started to break without any falling mass...so they had to of buckled at the impact floors...and it had to of taken place in the span of one second...and it had to of occurred without any lateral loads...because even the trusses pulling away from the outer perimeter (on the impact floors) would turn into vertical loads, as they swung downwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Buckled_column.png

And, there wasn't any direct force bearing down on them like in this picture, was there? The 37 non-severed core columns went to the top of the structure so nothing was above them pushing down on them.
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Dumbest post ever in the conspiracy theories subforum?

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28th Kingdom said:
Excellent point...the core took the vertical load, so when the perimeter columns supposedly broke...it left the cores vulnerable to lateral loads...not vertical loads, which is what the upper falling mass is...it's a vertical load, of course, I know you're gonna say that somehow...it was pushing laterally on the core columns...even though that's not physically possible...but trying to make a possibility out of an impossibility sometimes requires the use of what I like to call...
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If no one has mentioned this,

Even if the upper falling mass was exactly vertical, the core was asymetrically damaged, thus it will sag laterally to compensate.
 
Also, 28th, before you post again,

PLEASE

learn the difference between "of" and "have." They are not interchangeable.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Remember the 37 non-severed core columns...are still one welded piece from top to bottom - all 1300 feet. Just because the outer perimeter breaks on four floors...doesn't mean those core columns are detached from the upper floors. So you see...no falling mass ever occurred on those core columns, because they were always attached to the upper floors.
Thanks.
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When the outer columns buckle, the upper mass does fall, no matter how slightly you think.

Even this slight movement puts tremendous pressure on the damaged core beyond just the mass's static load.

Wonder if someone could do a calculation to determine what kind of pressure a huge mass falling a few inches could do?
 
Gravy said:
Dumbest post ever in the conspiracy theories subforum?
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That's what it looks and sounds like when you actually try and write out the impossibility of this anti-science scenario. Just like the 9/11 Commission says, the core of the WTC Towers is hollow...so that would explain how these two modern marvels of structural engineering could so easily collapse on themselves...in 10 seconds. The ten seconds is debatable...oh no, wait NIST even says this...oh no, wait they changed their mind...oh no, wait they just said it again....oh no, they were being deceptively vague that time....oh no, wait I don't even know what they're saying now...oh no, I'm sure they're infallible though, oh no, wait they just compared the color of burned material to the color of burning material, oh now wait...it feels like my mind is going in circles...oh no, wait...do the core columns even exist, or did I just dream that...oh no, wait...it feels like my brain is starting to melt...oh no...
 
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