Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[bonavada]

what explosives caused the side of the building to buckle inwards?

same type that caused the firedoor to be sucked off it's hinges in the basement.


BV

 

[bonavada]

thinking about the basement.........

hey chris, please can you tell me how you know that the walls in the wtc towers sub-levels were reinforced concrete?

BV

 

[bonavada]

You have not explained how these cuts were done at ground zero if they are NOT cuts from high explosive shear inthe demolition.

i can explain........see below.

BV

 

[hcmom]

The Number 23



Apple Quick Time trailer

Now, what does this remind me of?

22 (21 & 23)

So you're saying that Chris is really Jim Carrey?!!!

 

[Christophera]

Your words:



What was so nice about (your alleged) blasts, where hundreds of people died?

Your refusal to use the original word "uniform" to descibe a billowing cloud of dust and debris, has led to my trying another word "nice".

Now you are attempting to reaaply that word to another aspect of the event and twist that into somehting which might evoke "emotional reasoning". A cognitive distortion.

This obvious and is the sign of a sick and desperate mind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_distortion

7. Emotional reasoning - Making decisions and arguments based on how you feel rather than objective reality. (See appeal to consequences.)

 

[Christophera]

i can explain........see below.

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BV

So where is the explanation?

 

[Christophera]

thinking about the basement.........

hey chris, please can you tell me how you know that the walls in the wtc towers sub-levels were reinforced concrete?

BV

I've answered this about 15 pages back.

The documentary explained that basement walls were constructed with concrete having rebar with the same "special plastic coating".

What would you expect basement walls made from besides concrete?

 

[Christophera]

thinking about the basement.........

hey chris, please can you tell me how you know that the walls in the wtc towers sub-levels were reinforced concrete?

BV

I've answered this about 15 pages back.

The documentary explained that basement walls were constructed with concrete having rebar with the same "special plastic coating".

What would you expect basement walls made from besides concrete?

 

[JonnyFive]

This obvious and is the sign of a sick and desperate mind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_distortionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_distortionquote

Why is it again that we should take your opinion of this over the opinion of every structural engineer, fire safety expert, actual controlled demolitions expert, and architect in the world?

You say you're a welder and you can do drafting and surveying. That's absolutely wonderful, but that has nothing to do with structural engineering. Simply having experience with construction materials or in construction doesn't make you an expert in the underlying physical elements.

Since you haven't bothered to cite any experts in these fields that agree with your claim of controlled demolition, your credibility must come from your own expertise.

What experience do you have with math and physics?
Please provide a detailed explanation, including specific subject areas you are an expert on.

I would note that structural engineers must generally attend at least four years of university-level courses to become qualified in the discipline. It is my understanding that you have not completed high school, correct? Have you then gone on to attend university-level engineering courses? Have you conducted a rigorous self-directed program of study in these matters?

If that is the case, could you please explain in semi-technical terms why the towers fell in the "wrong order" and fell "the wrong way". I am not an engineer, but I can understand university-level mathematical concepts.

Feel free to post equations. I will let you know if they involve symbols or concepts I am not familiar with so that you can clarify or explain in simpler terms.

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

I've answered this about 15 pages back.

The documentary explained that basement walls were constructed with concrete having rebar with the same "special plastic coating".

What would you expect basement walls made from besides concrete?

An answer that cites a non-existent documentary is useless.

 

[Bell]

Your refusal to use the original word "uniform" to descibe a billowing cloud of dust and debris, has led to my trying another word "nice".

Now you are attempting to reaaply that word to another aspect of the event and twist that into somehting which might evoke "emotional reasoning". A cognitive distortion.

This obvious and is the sign of a sick and desperate mind.

You picked the word, life with it, but don't blame your twisted and sick choice of words on me, Chris.

 

[Bell]

I've answered this about 15 pages back.

The documentary explained that basement walls were constructed with concrete having rebar with the same "special plastic coating".

What would you expect basement walls made from besides concrete?

Your words:

We will be sticking with the AVAILABLE evidence.

 

[uruk]

Hey Chris! You ignoring this for some reason?

I wanted to share this little gem with everyone. Especially Chris.
It's perfect example of Chris's superiour memory. I found it while looking back in this thread for info to respond to one of Chris's replies.

Well it seems that Chris's memory is suffering (as well as mine). I just found a post where Chris said that Mr. Jebson's account of the process could not be correct.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php...postcount=5607

Quote:
"this guy saw the very beginning where the core was formed standing free and the steel went up around it. After 5 or 6 floors a person on the street wouldn't be able to see so his account of the process is not correct."

If Chris had already discounted Mr. Jebson's account back then, why did Chris post this?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php...postcount=8960

Quote:
"Below is a usenet comment which descibes what I saw in the 1990 documentary called "Construction of the Twin Towers". The WTC 1 core was constructed ahead of the steel erection."

So which is it Chris? Is Jebson wrong like you said in post #5607? Or is he correct like you said in post #8960? You can't have it both ways

 

[Christophera]

At least we agree that there were columns left. You can call them "interior box columns" if you like.

Pictures of steel beams cut up for transport hardly qualify as evidence of explosives. I would doubt that explosives would have created such a clean, straight cut, with no evidence of scorching. Just my opinion, but it fits both logic and common sense.

Evidence was removed from ground zero most likely because it was of explosives. Here now, I'm asking you to explain reasonably, how those columns were cut. If you cannot, it becomes evidence for explosives.

I have used a detail remembered from the 1990 documentary to produce a design based on the components described int he documentary that will leave cuts like those columns show.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1233383

 

[Christophera]

Hey Chris! You ignoring this for some reason?

I wanted to share this little gem with everyone. Especially Chris.
It's perfect example of Chris's superiour memory. I found it while looking back in this thread for info to respond to one of Chris's replies.

Well it seems that Chris's memory is suffering (as well as mine). I just found a post where Chris said that Mr. Jebson's account of the process could not be correct.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php...postcount=5607



If Chris had already discounted Mr. Jebson's account back then, why did Chris post this?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php...postcount=8960

So which is it Chris? Is Jebson wrong like you said in post #5607? Or is he correct like you said in post #8960? You can't have it both ways

"this guy saw the very beginning where the core was formed standing free and the steel went up around it. After 5 or 6 floors a person on the street wouldn't be able to see so his account of the process is not correct.

"Below is a usenet comment which descibes what I saw in the 1990 documentary called "Construction of the Twin Towers". The WTC 1 core was constructed ahead of the steel erection.

homer,

You have a reading problem. My memory is okay, my writing is okay, your reading is scrambled.

This post is my basis for asserting this. Something I've noticed before.

They both say basically the same thing.

 

[Big Al]

The documentary explained that basement walls were constructed with concrete having rebar with the same "special plastic coating".

Did the documentary talk about ANYTHING OTHER THAN bloody concrete & rebar?

They first talk about the concrete core, making absolutely sure you got the message about the super-special rebar and it's ultra-secret coating, and they then make a point about the basement walls containing the very same stuff, viewers, just in case you didn't get the point! Wanna hear more about rebar, documentary fans? Wait for the next thrilling instalment of "Christophera Remembers!"

Wow! Somebody REALLY slipped up allowing all this top-secret stuff to get out twenty years after the towers were built, didn't they? How come this documentary ever aired at all? I'd have thought the PBS offices would have been knee-deep in corpses, not to mention the offices that vouchsafed all this info!

This reminds me of something. It's brown, it's steaming, and it comes out of bovine recta...

 

[JonnyFive]

This reminds me of something. It's brown, it's steaming, and it comes out of bovine recta...

Oooh, ooh, I know! It's candy!

No? It's not candy? Well, I got nothing.

Chris, could you please tell us everything you remember from this documentary, even if it doesn't relate to the core? I just want to be sure this isn't just a catch-all piece of unprovable "evidence" for whenever we have you in a jam. You wouldn't do that, would you?

Also,

What experience do you have with physics and math? Please be specific!

 

[Big Al]

Chris, could you please tell us everything you remember from this documentary, even if it doesn't relate to the core? I just want to be sure this isn't just a catch-all piece of unprovable "evidence" for whenever we have you in a jam.

I asked for that pages back, Jonny. Totally ignored, of course. As for Chris' physics and maths experience... OK, Chris, what physical property of a material is defined as stress over strain?

 

[uruk]

homer,

You have a reading problem. My memory is okay, my writing is okay, your reading is scrambled.

This post is my basis for asserting this. Something I've noticed before.

They both say basically the same thing.

Only in a fractured mind do those post say the same thing.
Now you're lying to cover up a blatant mistake. Truly sad Chris.

Try reading the full posts Chris. In post #5607 you say Jebson account of the process was wrong. But in post #8960 you said that Jebson's account coincides with the "documentary" you saw. He can't be right on both accounts Chris.

Look again:

"this guy saw the very beginning where the core was formed standing free and the steel went up around it. After 5 or 6 floors a person on the street wouldn't be able to see so his account of the process is not correct.

"Below is a usenet comment which descibes what I saw in the 1990 documentary called "Construction of the Twin Towers". The WTC 1 core was constructed ahead of the steel erection.

You made an error Chris. Be a man and own up to it. It's blatant, It's obvious.
And I am not going to let you go on this one Chris.

Better yet. Explain to me how they both say the same thing.

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

Evidence was removed from ground zero most likely because it was of explosives. Here now, I'm asking you to explain reasonably, how those columns were cut. If you cannot, it becomes evidence for explosives.

No it doesn't.

I have used a detail remembered from the 1990 documentary to produce a design based on the components described int he documentary that will leave cuts like those columns show.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1233383

There was no 1990 documentary. Since everyone already knows this, why do you keep bringing it up?