And how close to the weight of the collapsing towers could you put into that effort? Was this a 100+ ton press? Did you attain temperatures of over 1500 degrees, which can and do occur in normal building fires?
Those temperatures are not ambient throughout the fire and are only attained in a few places for a short period. The number is more accurately expressed "parts to attain" termpertures up to 1500F.
Admittedly, no. My knowledge of such processes has been gained solely from researching the available information. Nevertheless, conditions in the towers were more than suitable to soften, bend, and even break steel. A 1300-ft lenght of steel, consisting of numerable members bound together, suffering extreme conditions of heat and unexpected, dynamic stress, without suitable cross-supports, could easily shatter into sections.
You've posted a few pics of steel beams which were most likely seen after cutting had begun for cleanup operations. Do you have pics of all the available steel? Do you have solid evidence that all of the alleged structural steel suffered identical more-than-perfect cuts, which you have claimed, and that no steel in the wreckage was warped, twisted, broken, or bent?
That's a significant request, one I don't expect anyone can fulfill. But a couple of pics of a couple of beams that happen to support one of your theories is insufficient evidence, Chris.
Having seen other steel structures collapse as a result of intense fires, I definitely would not expect 47 1300-ft long steel beams to stand while thousands of tons of matter falls around them. Why you do is beyond my understanding.
Those extra pictures you say should be posted but not by me. They were posted to show "core columns". There was one in particular. An aerial, I think homer posted it. I immediately commented that the cut columns were not box columns and of course homre can produce no images of the columns in situ at some elevation above ground. But the most striking thing was that there was enough reolution to show that virtually all of the column pieces had square cut ends.
Generally, in this type of discussion, it is assumed a person has familiarity with the images of the event, 9-11, and knows what images are out there and does not argue points that can be refuted easily. Generally people have their pet theory and have perused all the images to find ones that support their theory.
What happens most of the time, and I'm generalizing here to typify the 9-11 exchange process, is that the person gets so involved that they sort of forget that such and such image exists and shows something contrary to what they've come to believe, and another poster has to remind them that there are images that show something that contradicts there position irrefutably. When that poster is reminded, and if they are sincere in seeking the truth, they change their mind. Their perspective is modified.
When this does not occur something is wrong. The person is not being reasonable, they are not using the evidence.
Meaning, ........... that you've been here all along, you've seen the images. If you do not scrutinize them to note everything distinct that is to be seen, then it is your responsibility to use the available information and go find them. They are about 15 pages back and posted perhaps 3 times.
As far as the columns standing.
No, they would not stand at 1300 feet, but they could not be cut within what was seen and heard so they would be there exposed. Under the conditions very long columns would be seen leaning, bending, falling. They will snap but they bend first under most conditions of collapse.
Most of the bent and broken steel seen is perimeter column not interior box column.
btw, there has been a discussion on cutting of columns on site and no one here seemed familiar enough to even suggest viable cutting methods (all too expensive for salavege) so I had to provide the information. There was no rebuttals. Perhaps 10 pages back. You will see a stack of columns with clean cut ends a few times and the image I use that shows explosive shear and a torch cut.
