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Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

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Well, ....... okay, one more. But you kids have really had enough reality for tonight, I can tell. Time for bed now.

Imagine a mighty tower with a concrete core 1,300 feet tall, 17 foot thick walls at the base and 2 foot thick at the top. Here is a picture of the top of the core inside the outer walls falling onto WTC 3. Poor little #3, it gets badly squished.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4247&stc=1&d=1164435081

Mind 'shopping an arrow into that photo that points to the concrete core?

Oh, yeah, earlier you said our unconscious controls us. Did you mean just us, or did you mean yourself as well?
 
Saw an interesting documentary on Discovery Times. It has been sitting on my Tivo for a month or so now. Anatomy of a Collapse: Lessons From 9/11. Interesting tidbits:

- About 5 minutes of footage of the steel columns being inspected (looks like at Fresh Kills)
- Still photos of the asbestos inspection that took place in the mid-90's (mostly photos of the floor trusses)
- Some footage looking at the actual architectural plans (or duplicates)
 
You have the below correct. Otherwise you have everything else almost exactly wrong, backwards. Congratulations!

"Nor was there any time whatsoever to plant sufficient explosives to create the 9-11 effect."

"But we've been through all that before."

It is being put to use right now for the American people whom you have no reason to give a squat for ever.


Wrong.

You said 'less than a couple of minutes' was near free fall. Nope. That's just normal collapse time.

You said that large chunks of debris constitutes 'total pulverisation'. Nope. Pulverisation means reducing to dust and fine debris. Given the size of many of the remaining fragments, 'total pulverisation' just didn't happen.

The longest shelf life of any military explosive, in its original sealed packaging, is 20 years. C4 has considerably less. Covering it in concrete, or worse, mixing it with acetone, would REDUCE that shelf life considerably. Ergo, C4 planted in the late 1960s would be inert by 2001.

No plastic explosive can be 'cut' with solvents. Try it some time. Go ahead. It's been tried. So no slurry of C4 and acetone would have exploded - especially not sufficiently to cut steel and 'pulverise' concrete.

There is not now, nor was there in the 1960s, 3" rebar. 3" rebar would have been almost impossible to work with, and far too large for the job anyway.

For you to prove that this is wrong, you need to provide the following:

1) A clear definition of 'near free fall' which is also not 'nearly normal collapse time'.
2) Clear evidence that all matter in the towers was completely pulverised into fine dust and gravel - gravel being, of course, particulate matter, not fist-sized and often larger chunks of debris.
3) Clear evidence of the existence of any explosive capable of demolishing buildings of this scale that could remain viable for 40+ years, exposed to air and mixed with other chemicals.
4) Your chemical calculations for the results of softening/liquifying C4 or other plastic explosives with acetone or other solvents, proving that the explosive would still react to electrical stimulation or other means of detonation.
5) Clear evidence of the existence of 3" rebar - by which I mean, a catalogue entry, technical journal entry, invoice, anything, which shows 3" rebar existed.

As for your snide comment at the end, I'll let it slide. After all, I welcome our new NWO masters! My personal standard of living has never been higher. Besides, who's the real callous and uncaring American - the one who simply disbelieves fairy tale theories about magical explosives, missing documentaries, and 40-year plans involving destroying national icons, or the one who 'knows the truth', yet does absolutely nothing useful or practical with that knowledge?

Hint: A crappy website full of crackpot theories and a thread on a limited-viewership skeptics' board does NOT constitute 'informing the public', any more than a fuzzy picture of 'something' inside a dust cloud constitutes 'raw evidence'.

Fact: You could post another couple of hundred pages here, and a year from now, nothing will have changed. In fact, you could do what you're doing now, for the rest of your life, and on your deathbed, you'll have accomplished nothing.

That's why I keep asking you what you're going to do about it. If it were really that important, you'd be doing something other than wasting time posting on internet forums.

In a way, this reminds me of that antichrist guy who thinks it was a sign because he posted some nonsense about terrorism as post 666 on an internet forum. SO he goes around posting his 'revelation' on internet forums. And this does what, exactly?

So, Antichrist Guy, got any better plans for overthrowing the NWO than wasting time posting to the only internet forum that hasn't banned you for fatal stupidity?
 
I'm gettin information to the American public so they can create justice.

Are you trying to impede me?

As far i see it, Alfred, you spend some years on this
concrete core issue and nothing happend but all the
cool patriot- acts and suchlike acts. Research and
waste some more years until no more of your freedoms
and rights are left. :D

So relax and enjoy the time in here. :)
 
Well, its' not a game. It does have its rewards in knowing that you're are working for the right ends with real information.

And, realisitically we are really, for the most part on the same team, but the presence of false information has us working against each other. You are already involved, and, if your post is sincere, you've seen that I'm working with real information applied to an independant, comprehensive, feasible and realistic explantion for what happened to the towers, and have realized that working without real information is a losing proposition in many ways.

Yes if you do not have real information you are most likely misinformed.

Is real information like raw data? Can it be cooked?
 
It was not the builders that lied. They are goiing along with the lie.

And you know this ... how? Presumably not stated in this documentary of yours?

The same thing was stated about the WTC when it was built.

Then why is it that if I Google WTC "concrete core" I only get:

1) Statements by your good self
2) Conspiracy sites like Above Top Secret perpetuating said statements by your good self
3) Official sites about Freedom Tower.

I presume we can assume that Freedom Tower's rebar is the non-C4 coated sort.

But, for me, the big, BIG questions:

WHY ON EARTH did whoever-it-was decide to load up the WTC with explosives, just in case they decided to blow it up at some time in the future?
How did they get round C-4's ten-year shelf life? If they had some special preservative to overcome that to, say, thirty years, how did they know they would need to use it within thirty years? This is utterly, utterly nonsensical.

(B.)If everyone knew it was a concrete core and it collapsed, they would REALLY wonder why there were no masssive chunks of concrete.
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And they knew this RIGHT from the start? Ah, c'mon. This is INCREDIBLY paranoid.

Yes. The strangeness of the security around the rebar was noted as well as the unannounced evacuations of floors by workers just before concrete was poured.

This documentary aired in, what, 1989? Did the authorities just volunteer this information? Did the documentary crew ask if any special security precautions were taken over bog-standard reinforcing rebar (notwithstanding the fact that the WTC was supposed to have a steel core, in fact famous for it).

Unannounced evacuations? Didn't they know when they were going to pour? Are you saying the builders were allowed to wander around the explosive-coated rebar, but were cleared out when the concrete was poured, covering up the evidence?
 
The rate of fall is not particuarly important to me. NIST apprently accepts 10 and 11 seconds whic is c@mm close to free fall.

You are in error.

The towers fell at near free fall.

NIST stated that the first pieces of debris hit the ground in about 10 seconds. Well before the rest of the towers had completely collapsed.

And again, if the rate of fall is not important, then why start a thread about it, and bring it up time and again. Either it is important and you have to state how long it took for the towers to collapse, and howlong it should have taken in your book, or you stop talking about free fall.

Why are familys complaining that the ground up remains of victims being buried in landfills. Do you recall the firefighters who had testimony about their esperiences trying to find remains?

Do you recall the tons of debris covering GZ for months? The towers didn't totally pulverize. The content (desks, computers... HUMANS) where crushed under all the weight of the falling building, but remains were found, not just dust.
 
Well, ....... okay, one more. But you kids have really had enough reality for tonight, I can tell. Time for bed now.

Imagine a mighty tower with a concrete core 1,300 feet tall, 17 foot thick walls at the base and 2 foot thick at the top. Here is a picture of the top of the core inside the outer walls falling onto WTC 3. Poor little #3, it gets badly squished.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4247&stc=1&d=1164435081

THE TOP OF THE SOUTH TOWER FELL TO THE EAST. THE MARRIOTT WAS ON THE WEST SIDE!!
 
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NIST stated that the first pieces of debris hit the ground in about 10 seconds. Well before the rest of the towers had completely collapsed.

And again, if the rate of fall is not important, then why start a thread about it, and bring it up time and again. Either it is important and you have to state how long it took for the towers to collapse, and howlong it should have taken in your book, or you stop talking about free fall.



Do you recall the tons of debris covering GZ for months? The towers didn't totally pulverize. The content (desks, computers... HUMANS) where crushed under all the weight of the falling building, but remains were found, not just dust.


Remains are still being found, just not where Chris lives. You know under the sky of green beneath the sea of blue, rebel without a clue.
 
As far i see it, Alfred, you spend some years on this
concrete core issue and nothing happend but all the
cool patriot- acts and suchlike acts. Research and
waste some more years until no more of your freedoms
and rights are left. :D

So relax and enjoy the time in here. :)

We all seem to be in some gothic death wish.
 

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The rate of fall is not particuarly important to me.

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The towers fell at near free fall.

Is the rate important or not? If not, why keep mentioning it?


Now you are starting to get a handle on how bizarre the event was. The below IS the very top of WTC 2 falling on WTC 3. The roof of the core is seen. Only with demolition is it possible to have the body of a tower go one way THEN have the top go another.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4252&stc=1&d=1164475744

Just a sec. Didn't you say the collapse was too symmetrical? That only demolition collapses are symmetrical like this? And now you say that part went one way and part went another....doesn't sound very symmetrical to me. Doesn't sound like any controlled demolition I've seen either.
 
Is the rate important or not? If not, why keep mentioning it?




Just a sec. Didn't you say the collapse was too symmetrical? That only demolition collapses are symmetrical like this? And now you say that part went one way and part went another....doesn't sound very symmetrical to me. Doesn't sound like any controlled demolition I've seen either.

Chris gets to have his data raw, cooked or any way he wants it.
 
Now you are starting to get a handle on how bizarre the event was. The below IS the very top of WTC 2 falling on WTC 3. The roof of the core is seen. Only with demolition is it possible to have the body of a tower go one way THEN have the top go another.

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THE TOP OF THE SOUTH TOWER FELL TO THE EAST. THE MARRIOTT WAS ON THE WEST SIDE!!

As seen in this sequence.

And the below images:

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