Atheism is a faith.

Fair point - and really on the cruxes of these debates - definitions differ. While you're using it broadly, I'm referring to, as you suggest, bible-literalist creationists in the 6010 year timeline vein.
A lot of this thread has been about definitions. An absolute position, such as mine on the supernatural or (forgive my presumption) LaPalida's on creationism, is very defined. Wordplay can't burrow under it any more than a smaller atom than hydrogen can be made.

The obsession with definition is a pollutant from the realm of Philosophy, I really must get a "Philosophy sucks and I'll tell you why" thread going ...
 
Is that directed at yourself or Huntster? Seems a far more appropriate advice for you.
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What are you blubbering about? First off, following that post I asked you a question regarding it that you refused to answer. You refuse to answer a lot of questions BTW. In fact, you simply refuse to respond to a lot of arguments. You are obtuse playing some overbearing and obnoxious high school student.

Let me ask you again, what is it that you think that post is supposed to prove?

I stand by every one of those quotes that you have edited. Not that I care but no one can tell what it is that I'm saying based on the quotes. Is that an honest thing to do?

For the record, there is nothing wrong with referencing experts as it relates to their field of expertise. Where did you get the idea that it wasn't?

I'll post if for you again since you can't seem to figure it out.

In a good Appeal to Authority, there is reason to believe the claim because the expert says the claim is true. This is because a person who is a legitimate expert is more likely to be right than wrong when making considered claims within her area of expertise. In a sense, the claim is being accepted because it is reasonable to believe that the expert has tested the claim and found it to be reliable. So, if the expert has found it to be reliable, then it is reasonable to accept it as being true. Thus, the listener is accepting a claim based on the testimony of the expert.
Now, is there something about that quote that you don't get?

You have made little if any substantive argument since we started debating about cohesion. You refused to respond to my questions because you knew you were wrong. So instead of making argument you simply declared that I didn't understand the concept. That is the most weaselly and cowardly way to back out of an argument. Anyone can declare anything which is what you do constantly. Declaring something is true doesn't make it true. You are so arrogant you don't realize that. Sadly there is no substance, evidence or reason for any intellectually honest person to agree with anything that you have said about me.

I have never backed down from a single argument. You on the other hand have. You backed down in our debate in the space of a single page. 1 freaking page because you didn't want to waste your time with me.

Yet you spent pages telling me what a fool I was and calling me honey. Do you have any idea how dishonest such actions are?

So, let's talk about honesty. Why won't you answer my questions? Why do you engage in ad hominem and personal attacks while refusing to debate in a sincere fashion?

Don't give me your crap. Your an arrogant child.
 
Originally Posted by Huntster
It was a stupid mistake that won't be repeated.

Adios.
The secret is to avoid those things that threaten your world view.

Nothing threatens my world view. My view of the world is that it's all ****ed up.

Nothing threatens my non-worldly view, either. Especially not the world, because the world is all ****ed up.

Truth is a powerful thing.

It most certainly is.

Avoid it all cost.

Thanks, but no thanks.

I'd prefer to avoid people like yourself.
 
Nothing threatens my world view. My view of the world is that it's all ****ed up.

Nothing threatens my non-worldly view, either. Especially not the world, because the world is all ****ed up.
You don't even know what the term "world view" means. If you did you wouldn't have made those statements.

It most certainly is.
Then why does it upset you so? Why are you so scared to confront it? I said it before, I have never lied to you. I have never told you that something was in the scripture that wasn't. It's your Bible not mine.

Thanks, but no thanks.
That's what you are doing. You have elected to not consider the facts that I am telling you. You are sticking your fingers in your ears simply because I told you the truth and I did tell you the truth. NOTHING MORE.

That's what scared you, the truth.

I'd prefer to avoid people like yourself.
Why? Because I tell you the truth? You would prefer a pretty lie to an ugly truth?

I've been there. I didn't want to look at the truth. It made me uncomfortable. I couldn't do what you do. I couldn't hide from it.
 
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I stand by every one of those quotes that you have edited. Not that I care but no one can tell what it is that I'm saying based on the quotes. Is that an honest thing to do?

There's the problem, you expect honesty! Lower your expectations when arguing with The Atheist and Huntster.
 
Originally Posted by Huntster
Nothing threatens my world view. My view of the world is that it's all ****ed up.

Nothing threatens my non-worldly view, either. Especially not the world, because the world is all ****ed up.

You don't even know what the term "world view" means. If you did you wouldn't have made those statements.

Yeah, according to people like you. I've been told I don't know what "atheist" means, either, even though I repeatedly posted the definition for all to review.

Let me guess; "world view" has some vastly different and profound meaning beyond (or short of) "view of the world"?

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It most certainly is.

Then why does it upset you so?

It doesn't. I find truth relieving and powerful.

Why are you so scared to confront it?

I'm not. I welcome it.

I said it before, I have never lied to you.

I don't think I ever accused you of lying. I stated that I can't understand you.

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Thanks, but no thanks.

That's what you are doing. You have elected to not consider the facts that I am telling you.

Today? Recently?

You bet I did. That's because I've discussed things with you before, and our views aren't even in the same ballpark. We've ridden the ride together, and it went nowhere fast, then took turns and spins that made my stomach queasy.

I'm not spending good time riding that carny ride again.

You are sticking your fingers in your ears simply because I told you the truth and I did tell you the truth. NOTHING MORE.

My fingers are not in my ears, my palms are not in front of my eyes, and you have revealed no truths to me.

That's what scared you, the truth.

I'm not afraid, and especially not of truth.

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I'd prefer to avoid people like yourself.

Why? Because I tell you the truth?

No. Because I can't understand you at all.

You would prefer a pretty lie to an ugly truth?

Nope. I prefer fresh air over a dose of dizzyness.

I've been there. I didn't want to look at the truth. It made me uncomfortable. I couldn't do what you do. I couldn't hide from it.

You and I have nothing in common, and I doubt you've been where I've been.
 
Yeah, according to people like you. I've been told I don't know what "atheist" means, either, even though I repeatedly posted the definition for all to review.
People like me? What about people like me?

I find truth relieving and powerful.
Really? Then why are you scared of what I tell you? I have only quoted scripture.

I stated that I can't understand you.
What is there to understand? Moses ordered the murder of little boys. There is incest, misogyny, slavery, brutality, etc. in the Bible. So what is so hard to understand?

Today? Recently?
Ahhh... yeah.

You bet I did. That's because I've discussed things with you before, and our views aren't even in the same ballpark. We've ridden the ride together, and it went nowhere fast, then took turns and spins that made my stomach queasy.
What does my view have to do with your view not being in the same ballpark? I'm telling you the truth.

My fingers are not in my ears, my palms are not in front of my eyes, and you have revealed no truths to me.
You've said you won't talk to me.

I'm not afraid, and especially not of truth.
Which is why you've said you don't want to talk to me.

You and I have nothing in common, and I doubt you've been where I've been.
I have. I used to debate atheists. I was a missionary. I loved the concept of god and gave up all of my worldly possessions to go and teach people about Christ for two years. You might not like it but I have a pretty good idea of your mindset.
 
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Why is it that christians, like Huntster, keep claiming that the world is all *&*^( up? If they really believe this, is that why they hope for the rapture, for the end of the world?

Christians sure have some weird beliefs.
 
Originally Posted by Huntster
Yeah, according to people like you. I've been told I don't know what "atheist" means, either, even though I repeatedly posted the definition for all to review.

People like me?

Yup. People like you.

What about people like me?

I don't understand you.

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I find truth relieving and powerful.

Really?

Yup.

Then why are you scared of what I tell you?

I'm not.

I have only quoted scripture.

You have attempted to interpret it, as well.

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I stated that I can't understand you.

What is there to understand?

A fella' in L.A.

Moses ordered the murder of little boys. There is incest, misogyny, slavery, brutality, etc. in the Bible. So what is so hard to understand?

You.

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You bet I did. That's because I've discussed things with you before, and our views aren't even in the same ballpark. We've ridden the ride together, and it went nowhere fast, then took turns and spins that made my stomach queasy.

What does my view have to do with your view not being in the same ballpark?

Understanding.

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You and I have nothing in common, and I doubt you've been where I've been.

I have. I used to debate atheists. I was a missionary. I loved the concept of god and gave up all of my worldly possessions to go and teach people about Christ for two years.

And what does that have to do with me?

You might not like it but I have a pretty good idea of your mindset.

You just keep thinking that.
 
You have attempted to interpret it, as well.
How is telling you that there is murder, incest, misogyny, brutality, tolerance of slavery, parents killing children for god, etc. interpreting anything?

I have always found you to be honest Huntster. If you don't want to talk to me fine but please don't lie. I never interpreted anything. I have only told you the truth.

You just keep thinking that.
Why should I doubt it? My faith was much stronger than most. I did not question for one moment my decision. I had a 1967 Chevrolet Camaro that I personally restored. It was the love of my life. I purchased it when I was 15. Stripped it down to bare metal. Removed the engine and frame and completely rebuilt it. It was beautiful. When it was time for me to prepare for my mission I put it up for sale. I took every dime I had saved and spent it on the mission.

I know what it is like to believe. I was more than prepared to give my life to God. That is the honest truth.

So, yeah, I have a pretty good idea what your mindset is.

I don't need to tell myself anything, I lived it. No, not your life. I can't know what it is to be you. I can know what it is like to believe so strongly that it would mean just about everything to you.

What's it like for you?
 
Is it a coincidence that the biggest sin is doubt in both the Christian and Muslim religions? Am I the only one who finds believing in a system that requires faith (belief without evidence) scary in this context, because I am not just being asked to believe, I'm being asked not to think--to be afraid of my doubts (which are an expression of my ability to analyze critically)?

As for the gods of other religions - show me the evidence.
 
Is it a coincidence that the biggest sin is doubt in both the Christian and Muslim religions? Am I the only one who finds believing in a system that requires faith (belief without evidence) scary in this context, because I am not just being asked to believe, I'm being asked not to think--to be afraid of my doubts (which are an expression of my ability to analyze critically)?

Nope - no coincidence at all. And its even more frightening that this way of thinking extends to other parts of life (e.g. politics etc).

As for the gods of other religions - show me the evidence.

As for any god of any religion, show me any evidence!
 

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