Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[defaultdotxbe]

i found the core!!! 4 of them!

 

[Christophera]

20% of how many?

Probably about 300 people. The image of the WTC 2 core is what makes it certain for them. They all realize that steel core columns would be protruding if they existed.

The other aspect is all the concrete particualte and the uniformity of 2 towers going to the ground at near free fall.

from reactions an boards where truth seekers gather its quite clear that the only opposition are disinformationalists who have no evidence and no support except from their own ranks. The rest are suddenly confronted with the fear of knowing the truth and the decision of whether to show they know it and confront the fear. Many truth seekers feel safe discussing nonsense, when it comes to discussing methods which actually are feasible and coprehensive to the event, most withdraw from the public area.

This is why most of what is though of as serious discussion about the actual methods of demo occurs on mailing lists. In reality those are festering pits of disinformation which is conducted outside the public view. I abhor them.

We need to publically create demonstrations of unreasonable, illogical behaviors which by default show that there is no real opposition to the evidence and it's logical uses. So you folks re doing a great job.

Got evidence of steel core columns in the core area at some elevation above the ground fro the raw images of the demolition?

 

[Orphia Nay]

So 60 people out of all your friends plus the whole WWW?

Whereas now at least 31 of 65 people just at this forum would respect you if you admitted you are wrong. Probably more - I blame Planet X.

Please read Kopji's post in the poll thread, Chris.

There are plenty of people here to help you through this.

I bet even Belz and Oliver, (who have been arguing over you like husband and wife trying to work out the best treatment for their ill child) would not laugh at you for admitting you made a mistake. OK, maybe out of relief.

 

[stateofgrace]

More happy cats

 

[Garb]

No. They would like to tho but do not try because they end up appearing as criminals or grossly negligent. Once again, I have all the evidence. Consider it is similar to how you might feel if you were any knd of authority after all the unreasonable denial put forth here with the reasonable evidence I've produced here. Don't try and deny it, that is why you keep coming back. Your continued presense proves it. Even your own object.

I understand however. They cannot and you cannot because of a fear deeply lodged in your unconscious, so there really is no blame. It is just a bad thing that happened that needs to stop happening and it will only do so with understanding.

At the bottom I have in writing that the mental health department will not go 1,000 feet to examine arrest and bookings showing over 1,000 arrests for crimes of insanity. The same arrest and booking records the custodian of records failed to apperance with on subpoena after the county counsel interfered with appearance of witness.
I was trying to warn the local authority and prevent insane murders. I have done many other things in effort to protect life in official offices.

Following this there was the case of David Attias who ran over 4 college students in Isla Vista at 65 mph in his saab. His daddy was the producer of Amy McBeal. So we can see how media has been infiltrated. Try and get to the Amicus Curiae I filed to see how badly those involved do not want to know how they were involved.

http://truthasaur.com/local/secretcity25.html

Check out the bank robber story.

Then, just this February 1, 2006, the postal shootings occured. The indigenous people have known about this potential for hundreds of years that the US courts, controlled by religion will not acknowledge. We suffer.

http://truthasaur.com/local/secretcity48.html

These are just a few of the horrible things that have happened because of the denial. 9-11 is the worst, except for the wars that were created with it. How will you suffer by understanding? How will you suffer by not understanding?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4057&stc=1&d=1163392662

Am I the only one having trouble understanding this guy?

 

[Garb]

I've recieved a number of comments from professionals in construction, demolition and the engineering field that see the explanation as the only one which fits the event.

Here is one of the best,


deception achieved

Awesome work, very well presented with great links. I am a demolition contractor for 30 years and it all fits and always believed this was the case.Now there needs to be the rest of the story.

Now THAT is a reliable source!!!

 

[Horatius]

i found the core!!! 4 of them!

I'm sorry, but those are obviously CardBoard Cores with 3'' Cat reinforcing on 4 of his feet centers. A radical design the Japanese used in the first HelloKitty Factory, that was discontinued after the entire buildng tried to climb its own curtains. Truly a tragic day.......

 

[Bell]

More cats in cars...

... and a cat inspecting the 3" rebar on 4' centers...

 

[Mancman]

Probably about 300 people. The image of the WTC 2 core is what makes it certain for them. They all realize that steel core columns would be protruding if they existed.

What about your single row of 'interior box columns'. Why aren't they protruding?

 

[delphi_ote]

More cats in cars...

The first apparently has a taste for old SAABs.

 

[NickUK]

 

[Oliver]

 

[Belz...]

Or there is the aerial photo which shows the interior box columns ringing the core, but none of the same large columns inside the core, where some pitifully duped german says, "Look at the core columns". When really the image shows elevator guide rail supports.

If there's no concrete to be seen, how can you know what's "outside" the core and "inside" the core and make that kind of distinction ?

Their favorite is the interior box column laying on the ground with floor beams conneted to it getting scrapped out where they say, "Look at the core columns"

Pray tell, what's the visual difference between the two ?

There is nothing to offer. No alternatives that are reasonable and logical.

Unless you are completely wrong about the whole thing.

We have 2 interior box columns on the left with torch cut ends and some men working with a salvage lance on the right. Note the cut on the end of the piece they work on is way smotter than any torch cut.

No, you really can't tell from that distance. Plus it's been explained to you that cutting charges don't produce anything that smooth.

Because of me and the fact that I actually have evidence and I have a website that does provide a comprehensive explanation speculation for this event.

Fixed it.

The official story is so incredible that many people just divorce themselves from any responsibility to thinking about it at all and have just gone on with their lives.

The official story is incredible ?

More incredible than a thousand-year old, shadowy organisation using mass hypnosis to control the world and who built the WTC 30 years ago with concrete that no one but you has ever seen and specially rigged for demolition decades later in a plan to control oil... ?

 

[maccy]

If there's no concrete to be seen, how can you know what's "outside" the core and "inside" the core and make that kind of distinction ?

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The official story is incredible ?

More incredible than a thousand-year old, shadowy organisation using mass hypnosis to control the world and who built the WTC 30 years ago with concrete that no one but you has ever seen and specially rigged for demolition decades later in a plan to control oil... ?

We almost went a whole page without anybody seriously trying to argue with Chris...

You realise he's going to come back at you with the same stuff again don't you?

Seriously, post a kitten, it's more fun.

 

[Belz...]

Do you realize how much credibility assasination would bring? You are naive.

And there we have it.

"You are naive. I KNOW the truth". Makes you feel special, doesn't it chris ?

That IS the concrete core.

Or dust. Your own admission.

You certainly have not provided and explanation. This does Cutting charges built into the floors does explain the cut columns and what is happening here.

Other people have, you just refused to listen. Cutting charges do not produce such a clean cut.

Yes, the spire is an interio box column, not inside the core area, and the other is rebar which is center inside the concrete shear wall. Four such walls comprise the tunular concrete core.

So, basically, what you're saying is that the rebar was sturdier than the concrete AND the columns and stood longer than the whole of the building ?

Some rebar.

 

[maccy]

I know I said I'd stop arguing about this. But, Belz, consider this:

A thought experiment.

You're standing in a field, looking at a cow.

A man comes up to you and tells you it's a rabbit.

How long do you argue with him about this, before just walking away and leaving him to his own devices?

Does it really matter if gets the last word? If he never changes his mind?

Also:

 

[uruk]

Probably only 20% of my friends or viewers doubt that the core was concrete or that the demolition was conducted as I've put forth.

The other 80% probably just agree with you to keep you from wigging out or don't know or care about what your talking about.
If you get a chance read this:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2092408&postcount=30

 

[uruk]

Just in case Chris is too lazy:

Originally Posted by Christophera
You have changed the text of the page. Misrepresenting what I'm doing which is trying to save lives.

Well, your not going to save lives by posting a website.

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I've lost 5 friends to suicide in 7 years and 2 to drugs and alcohol. The mother of an 18 year old next door who has herself a 6 month old baby was found decomposing in the bushes behind a shopping center 3 weeks ago from alcohol poisoning, her dad will be the next to go. Her grandmother, her Godmother and another woman and I filed suit in federal court in April 2006 to try and prevent the death of any family members by asking the Fed to compel specific performance according to California Health and Saftey Code 1370.4 (the mental health dept, had started in 1999 but was stopped by superiors). It has been dismissed with prejudice and appealled in the 9th circuit.

Wow. No wonder your having problems. I grew up in housing projects (government housing). I had to experiance drug bust at 4 in the AM, shootouts, spousal beatings next door, gangs, loud and violent block parties. I've lost more friends than I can count to drugs addiction, overdose. I even had a friend who was executed for killing his grandmother to get money for drugs. http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/statisti...t/lokinbil.jpg
I lost three uncles to alchoholism. They died from cirrotic (sp?) livers.

The one thing I've learned is that you can't save anybody unless thier looking to be saved.
You also have to be able to save yourself first before you can be in a position to save anybody else. And from the looks of it Chris, you need alot of help yourself.

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We no longer have a Constitution, (did we ever?)

Case No. CV. 06-2085

3000 are killed at the WTC, familys being destroyed by drugs and alcohol, I work to do something about all of it and you lie, distort and manipulate my efforts.

But doing the wrong thing or wasting your time and effort on something that is incorrect is just as bad. Besides pestering the the wrong authorities with incoherency and conjecture is not going to help your case. For them to respond requires massive amount of evidence and corroberating sources. Unfortunatly your website sadly lacks both. And you efforts are being directed at the wrong authorities and improperly so.
For instance, let's take alook at those documents you posted

You also left out important documents, See them at the bottom.

You are sick

I seek public records and the County of Santa Barbara fails to appear on subpoena
http://algoxy.com/law/nojustice2/images/subden.gif

In this letter you seem to be asking them for records that date back to 1876 to 1879. First, The Santa Barbara county sherriff's department wasn't formed untill 1850.you were asking for records that dated back to 26 years after the county was first formed. Second, most organizations do not have active records that date back that far. Documents that old are usually archived off site and usually with a university or historical society. You should have found out where the county historical records are stored, then asked whoever has them for access.
(also, you need to edit the document. It has your address listed on it.)

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I use the Freedom of Information Act to get the response from the State Mental Health Department as promised in the letter from the County Mental Health Department below, no response.
http://algoxy.com/psych/images/foiarequestmh.gif

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.p...d=116331318

County facilities are not equiped or allowed to perform any experimental proceedures on patients. That is usually done through a research university. And that is only done after a collossal amount of research and study by competent doctors have propsed the procedure through the proper channels.

Also, The Freedom of Information Act has absolutly nothing to do with the conducting of experimental medical proceedures. This is further proof that you really don't know what you are doing.

Like I said before, doing the wrong thing is just as bad (if not worse) as doing nothing at all.


Chris, you really need to get help for yourself first. Maybe then you'll be able to think clearer and be able to help those you wish to help.

 

[Belz...]

No way would gypsum or dry wall be there after hundreds of thousands of tons of steel crashed over it.

Actually, It's just as likely as concrete to remain there. It's certainly more flexible.

Besides, yours is an argument from personnal incredulity.

Yes, probably created by the infiltrators, they do sloppy work.

Those infiltrators of yours must be the stupidest people on earth. They should've built the WTC with steel columns and simply ram them with airliners. That would've done the trick, just like IT DOES IN REALITY.

The core begins 5 levels down.

You're the one who said 7.

Just the documentary. Not available, yet.

And we know how poor your memory is concerning these matters.

Meaning you have no raw evidence of the 47 steel core columns FEMA says existed.

Oh, I'm sure we have a few, somewhere.

But a single piece of concrete from the core would validate your claim, at least to a degree.

How did they get cut like that when they were originally 1300 foot long, 100% butt welded to be continous?

Perhaps it's my imagination but I remember quite clearly that they were, in fact, bolted.

 

[Belz...]

We almost went a whole page without anybody seriously trying to argue with Chris...

You realise he's going to come back at you with the same stuff again don't you?

Seriously, post a kitten, it's more fun.

I'm sorry, I'd prefer not to act like a kid.