Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[Christophera]

Chris there is no concrete core.
there never was a concrete core.

Your evidence is non existent, so i suggest to you once again to abandon the FEMA lie and seek raw evidence to support steel core columns.

 

[Christophera]

Here is a very small smatering of web some 14,000,000 websites that mention a steel core in the World Trade Center:
http://users2.ev1.net/~seymoujs/gunshow/collapse.html
(interesting PBS site with a slide show by the guy who headed the NIST investigation)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/sunder.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/innovation.html
(survivor talks about how he escaped by going through the drywall between the staiwell and the office space. i.e no concrete core between stairwell and office space.)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/above.html
http://www.archive.org/stream/wtc_construction/wtc_construction_256kb.mp4
http://a188.g.akamaitech.net/f/188/....com/wp-srv/nation/graphics/attack/wtc_2.html
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2001/graficos/septiembre/semana2/atentados/atentadocaida.html
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/nation-world/terrorism/collapse_12.html
http://www.skyscraper.org/TALLEST_TOWERS/t_wtc.htm
http://a1022.g.akamai.net/f/1022/6000/5m/www.latimes.com/media/graphic/2001-09/638881.jpg
http://www.usatoday.com/graphics/news/gra/wtccollapse/frame.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20020526_WTC/
http://www.emporis.com/en/il/pc/?id=100001&aid=10&sro=10
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=131020

Number of websites that mention a concrete core:
http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

psst. don't tell Chris but there's still no concrete:
http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=197714
http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=485670
http://army.firststrike.net/nyd/damage/pages/911-damage_082.htm
http://army.firststrike.net/nyd/damage/pages/911-damage_085.htm
http://army.firststrike.net/nyd/damage/pages/911-damage_106.htm

(Wait!...that looks like...I think it is... awww! no It's just drywall.
http://army.firststrike.net/nyd/damage/pages/911-damage_393.htm

http://army.firststrike.net/nyd/damage/pages/911-damage_026.htm (drywall)
http://army.firststrike.net/nyd/damage/pages/911-damage_030.htm (look you can see the C4 on the rebar)

Nope, still not there:

I tried to find the survivor account saying that he went from the core into office space through drywall. The word drywall is not on either page, above or below you statement.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/innovation.html
(survivor talks about how he escaped by going through the drywall between the staiwell and the office space. i.e no concrete core between stairwell and office space.)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/above.html



Below is raw evidence of the fact that NO steel croe columns existed in the core area and that a tubular concrete core was at the center of the tower.


http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

 

[Christophera]

you post a site that proves you wrong?

you keep doing it

have you notice all the tin foil hat guys post sites that have information to debunk them?

have you ever read that site, it proves you wrong?

You are so out of it you think this site says somehthing that proves the concrete core did not exist.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

That site fully explains near frree fall and total pulverization. Below is the site you think disproves the concrete.

What is ahappening is you are not reading. I realize there is confusion on a few of those sites and I identify that confusion. What I use on those sites is their consistency in reference to the concrete core. You will note that when they start talking about steel cores they are ALL OVER THE PLACE. No consistency.

http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

The above site has a scan of the Oxford encyclopedia of Technology and Inovation that was published in 1992.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3764&stc=1&d=1161824223

 

[uruk]

Uruk, I have to comment you on your effort to try to smack some sense into Christophera's brainlocked grey matter. Not that it will help, though.

Thanks. I'm not doing it so much to argue against him. I've givin up on that ship. I'm just putting this stuff out for the other brave souls who doing the smackdown on chris.

Fuel for the fire, so to speak.

It's also kind of interesting.


Plus, I ain't got a life.

 

[Arus808]

Your evidence is non existent, so i suggest to you once again to abandon the FEMA lie and seek raw evidence to support steel core columns.

YOU have provided NOTHING.

I've linked in several posts here to books written well before 9/11/2001 that all describe the WTC towers as being the first skyscrapers to be built without a concrete core, comment on the extraordinary techniques used to build them, linked to PICTURES depicting a steel core (as other have done so as well), posted links to sites that describe their construction and the like.

Guess what? There is only one site on the ENTIRE internet claiming there was a concrete core.

YOURS.

So, why is there only 1 site, of the thousands about th WTC towers that says there is a concrete core (and using bad images to prove it)? So your site is the ONLY correct site on the entire internet

God forbid should you try to use that as proof in a court of law.

Oh wait, if you feel that you have such "ground breaking "Evidnece, why haven't you brought a civil suit against the the designers, construction workers, and pBS about why they are hiding that there was a concrete core (according to you)>

If you have such great evidence, then in a court yoru arguemtns should be able to prove that they existed right?

So, when can we expect your filing in New York for this lawsuit?

 

[RandFan]

Was this the one with the blue box with the nuke symbol on it?
If not then, my bad.

I've been youtube'n till my eyes bled and they all blurr into one.

No. It's really a remarkable video. There's no concrete cores. Has Christophera responded to it? I doubt any evidence would convince him. He seems to be of the "I don't need no stinking evidence" crowd.

 

[RandFan]

YOU have provided NOTHING.

I've linked in several posts here to books written well before 9/11/2001 that all describe the WTC towers as being the first skyscrapers to be built without a concrete core, comment on the extraordinary techniques used to build them, linked to PICTURES depicting a steel core (as other have done so as well), posted links to sites that describe their construction and the like.

Guess what? There is only one site on the ENTIRE internet claiming there was a concrete core.

YOURS.

So, why is there only 1 site, of the thousands about th WTC towers that says there is a concrete core (and using bad images to prove it)? So your site is the ONLY correct site on the entire internet

God forbid should you try to use that as proof in a court of law.

Oh wait, if you feel that you have such "ground breaking "Evidnece, why haven't you brought a civil suit against the the designers, construction workers, and pBS about why they are hiding that there was a concrete core (according to you)>

If you have such great evidence, then in a court yoru arguemtns should be able to prove that they existed right?

So, when can we expect your filing in New York for this lawsuit?

Yes, but this is evidence and facts. Christophera doesn't care about that. He has a simple response. He claims that there is no evidence. If a person believed there was no moon there is nothing you could do to prove it. Nothing.

 

[Arus808]

Yes, but this is evidence and facts. Christophera doesn't care about that. He has a simple response. He claims that there is no evidence. If a person believed there was no moon there is nothing you could do to prove it. Nothing.

well he seems to think that the pretty edited and pixelated photos showing nothing is evidence of what he is claiming, so why hasn't he filed suit against those "liars" and people hiding this?

Figure if he is so entrenched in his belief, he should be seeking legal ramifications to get teh "truth" out.

 

[Christophera]

YOU have provided NOTHING.

To the contrary. Your post has no evidence whatsoever. With one link I proved many times more raw evidence than what you have,

http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

Show us just one image of the steel core columns from the demoliton images.

 

[uruk]

I tried to find the survivor account saying that he went from the core into office space through drywall. The word drywall is not on either page, above or below you statement.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/innovation.html
(survivor talks about how he escaped by going through the drywall between the staiwell and the office space. i.e no concrete core between stairwell and office space.)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/above.html

Let me help ya. It's the 24th paragraph down right after the heading in red letters that says "The Rescue"

"The fire escape door had blown away from the wall a bit, but we were able to push the dry wall back and step between the door frame and the dry wall, squeeze onto the 81st floor, which was in darkness, but again I had my flashlight. I scanned the room, and I said, "Who's there? Where are you?" He said, "Oh, I can see your light."

Below is raw evidence of the fact that NO steel croe columns existed in the core area and that a tubular concrete core was at the center of the tower.


http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

The pictures posted here says otherwise.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2038864&postcount=6136
this one also:
http://www.greatbuildings.com/cgi-b...enter_Images.html/cid_wtc_mya_WTC_const.1.gbi

The pictures clearly show columns being installed within the core.
If those are elevator guide rails, those are the biggest elevator guide rails ever built. Maybe you can show me the info on those guide rails. They are so extrodinarily huge, the manufacture must be proud of them. See if you can find any info on them from the elevator manufaturer that installed them.
Says here that the elevators were installed by Otis.:
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=1worldtradecenter-newyorkcity-ny-usa
here's thier site:
http://www.otis.com/otis/1,1352,CLI79_RES1,00.html

Don't you think it odd that they would install the elevator guide rails before the made the shafts?

Here's an article from an architecture publication that was prasing the Windows on the world resaurant. It has a floor plan. Where's the concrete core?"
http://archrecord.construction.com/news/wtc/archives/windows1977.pdf
http://archrecord.construction.com/news/wtc/archives/windows1977.pdf

 

[uruk]

No. It's really a remarkable video. There's no concrete cores. Has Christophera responded to it? I doubt any evidence would convince him. He seems to be of the "I don't need no stinking evidence" crowd.

Nope. Chris ignored it. The guy who made the video showed the concrete being poured into the core foundationd and grillages, but he does not show concrete being formed around the core columns. (because there was no concrete core.) That's probably why Chris ignored it.
He seems to have a habit of ignoring any picture or video that shows no concrete around the core columns.

 

[Christophera]

Chris should probably not look at these pictures:


Look at those humoungus elevator guides. There must be some gigantic elevators in that building.
And wow. It's amazing how much the core resembles the floor plan layouts.

Yep. No concrete in these pictures

Yes, all 3 DIFFERENT plans. Recall how liars are caught.

There were very large elevators.

All thos images show elevator guide rail support steel. Here is what the "MASSIVE BOX COLUMNS" looked like and there is no comparison.

Note that the elevator support steel has an end flange on it which is seen in your images which was used to blot them together. The interior box columns (MASSIVE BOX COLUMNS) were butt welled with 100% welds.

 

[Christophera]

Let me help ya. It's the 24th paragraph down right after the heading in red letters that says "The Rescue"

"The fire escape door had blown away from the wall a bit, but we were able to push the dry wall back and step between the door frame and the dry wall, squeeze onto the 81st floor, which was in darkness, but again I had my flashlight. I scanned the room, and I said, "Who's there? Where are you?" He said, "Oh, I can see your light."

So it does not say "offices". It says 81st floor, meaning the hallway of the core where he must have been right next to the opening so he could scan the room which had broken interior walls across from the hall doorway.

Compared to evidence such a 500 foot tall, rounded top core, which can only be concrete because steel WILL not erode like that, your misinterpreted surviors statement means nothing.

 

[Christophera]

Don't you think it odd that they would install the elevator guide rails before the made the shafts?

.

No it is not odd.

What is odd is that you have not come up with a rational explanation for what this rounded top sihouette is of the WTC 2 core and still insist on providing interpretations of construction photos that prove nothing.

The base of the core is down there inside the interior box columns. With WTC 1 they built 3 floors of core before installing the elevator guide rail support steel. WTC 2 had a very different process using what they learned on WTC 1.

They learned from their mistakes, you don't.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Recall how liars are caught.

Sayeth the liar.

 

[Christophera]

Sayeth the liar.

Your problem is you have no evidence. So, .......... supporting liars against my explanatory evidence is sort of ridiculous when you are up against and event which is patently not a collapse.


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3768&stc=1&d=1161832933

 

[uruk]

Yes, all 3 DIFFERENT plans. Recall how liars are caught.

What three different plans?

There were very large elevators.

Really? How big were they? Did you look at the Widows on the World pdf? The first page has a picture of the elevator lobby. They look like regular size elevators to me.

All thos images show elevator guide rail support steel. Here is what the "MASSIVE BOX COLUMNS" looked like and there is no comparison.

Note that the elevator support steel has an end flange on it which is seen in your images which was used to blot them together. The interior box columns (MASSIVE BOX COLUMNS) were butt welled with 100% welds.

Elevator guide rails are nowhere that big. Please find me an elevator guide rail manufacturer that builds them that big.
Compare the images of the guide rail to image of the columns being installed within the core. Do they look the same?
Oh, and Chris. Where's the concrete?

 

[Christophera]

What three different plans?


Really? How big were they? Did you look at the Widows on the World pdf? The first page has a picture of the elevator lobby. They look like regular size elevators to me.



Elevator guide rails are nowhere that big. Please find me an elevator guide rail manufacturer that builds them that big.
Compare the images of the guide rail to image of the columns being installed within the core. Do they look the same?
Oh, and Chris. Where's the concrete?

Was' amatta, no research your own bogus information?

Do a search for "steel core columns", you'll see the variety liars provide.



You've posted images of the guide rail not its support steel. Each support member probably had 4 elevator guide rails on it. They were also high speed elevators, almost 60 MPH because the concrete core kept the rails so well aligned.

There were 2 freight elevators if I remember correctly, they were very big, one like 20x20 feet or something with a capacity of 10 tons perhaps.

It has been proven you wouldn't know concrete if you hit yourself in the head with it.

 

[realitybites]

The liar haveth not evidence, but I have much evidence, all compiled logically explaining near free fall and total pulverization.

Christophera, get that evidence to the authorities!!

Lives are at stake my friend. I'd hate to see you get charged with Having The Most Earth-Shattering Evidence Of Governmental Mass-Murder And Doing Nothing With It Except Post On Internet Forums.

Fines are steep for that. Jail time is extensive. They might even try it to spin you into being complicit to up the sentence.

 

[uruk]

So it does not say "offices". It says 81st floor, meaning the hallway of the core where he must have been right next to the opening so he could scan the room which had broken interior walls across from the hall doorway.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/05/17/stairway.htm
"The elevator equipment room covered more than half the width of the 81st floor. Its size forced the tower's designers to route Stairway A around the machines. The detour moved Stairway A from the center of the building toward the northwest corner"

http://www.usatoday.com/graphics/news/gra/wtcstairway/frame.htm

http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/NYTimes91801.htm
"For the people on floors above the crash site, there was another critical factor: an ordinary fire would take two or three hours to burn through the gypsum wallboard around .the stairwells --but projectiles of plane wreckage almost certainly pierced through, letting in the fire and smoke. That trapped people on the upper floors."


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-091201color.story
"They tried getting out through the main lobby of the firm, but smoke had already filled it, so Heineman led the group back inside the offices, down a stairway at the other end, through the file room. The door was blocked by files that had fallen to the floor. They cleared them and walked out to the emergency stairs."