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Anomolies at ground zero

Regarding the Orio Palmer radio call, Docker is once again completely uninformed. I haven't read every post, so I apologize if this is repetitive.

I refer you to realitybites' post:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2033951&postcount=314

It's important to remember that the 78th floor skylobby was the lowest point of impact in the south tower, and that it did not contain offices. I've been in that skylobby, and it was mostly marble, glass, stainless steel, escalators, elevator banks, etc. There simply wasn't the fuel available that the other floors had. Numerous people were alive and trapped inthe elevator banks there, and several radio calls for help to rescue them were made.

Next, Palmer's call was made at 9:52, seven minutes before collapse. At that moment, two floors above, the fire was so hot that molten metal dripped from the building. The fire was not "almost out," Docker. It was an inferno.

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Gravy said:
Regarding the Orio Palmer radio call, Docker is once again completely uninformed. I haven't read every post, so I apologize if this is repetitive.

I refer you to realitybites' post:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2033951&postcount=314

It's important to remember that the 78th floor skylobby was the lowest point of impact in the south tower, and that it did not contain offices. I've been in that skylobby, and it was mostly marble, glass, stainless steel, escalators, elevator banks, etc. There simply wasn't the fuel available that the other floors had. Numerous people were alive and trapped inthe elevator banks there, and several radio calls for help to rescue them were made.

Next, Palmer's call was made at 9:52, seven minutes before collapse. At that moment, two floors above, the fire was so hot that molten metal dripped from the building. The fire was not "almost out," Docker. It was an inferno.

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Gravy, once again you have given a well informed answer based on facts. But Docker has a mysterious backround that includes expertise in conjecture and speculation and that as we all know trumps the facts and logic.
 
DavidJames said:
You are missing the most amazing part. There were people inside those cars and they aren't there now! Where did they go? What technology would make them completely disappear without any blood, torn clothing, nothing, they simply vanished.

Please JREFs tell me what you imagine happened to those people.
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Emperor Mings evil RING.
 
Gravy said:
Regarding the Orio Palmer radio call, Docker is once again completely uninformed. I haven't read every post, so I apologize if this is repetitive.

I refer you to realitybites' post:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2033951&postcount=314

It's important to remember that the 78th floor skylobby was the lowest point of impact in the south tower, and that it did not contain offices. I've been in that skylobby, and it was mostly marble, glass, stainless steel, escalators, elevator banks, etc. There simply wasn't the fuel available that the other floors had. Numerous people were alive and trapped inthe elevator banks there, and several radio calls for help to rescue them were made.

Next, Palmer's call was made at 9:52, seven minutes before collapse. At that moment, two floors above, the fire was so hot that molten metal dripped from the building. The fire was not "almost out," Docker. It was an inferno.

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Yes the molten metal is odd. It isn't aluminium and steel doesn't melt at those temperatures
 
Its like gravy is the pied piper and the rest of the JREFers are the rats of hamlin.
 
Gravy said:
Regarding the Orio Palmer radio call, Docker is once again completely uninformed. I haven't read every post, so I apologize if this is repetitive.

I refer you to realitybites' post:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2033951&postcount=314

It's important to remember that the 78th floor skylobby was the lowest point of impact in the south tower, and that it did not contain offices. I've been in that skylobby, and it was mostly marble, glass, stainless steel, escalators, elevator banks, etc. There simply wasn't the fuel available that the other floors had. Numerous people were alive and trapped inthe elevator banks there, and several radio calls for help to rescue them were made.

Next, Palmer's call was made at 9:52, seven minutes before collapse. At that moment, two floors above, the fire was so hot that molten metal dripped from the building. The fire was not "almost out," Docker. It was an inferno.

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Indeed.

But Docker seems to have an aversion to actual facts and evidence.

There were also many people killed on the 78th floor immediately following the initial impact. There are also several first hand accounts by survivors who escaped from the 78th floor. Somehow, I doubt that Docker has read any of them.
 
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Docker said:
Its like gravy is the pied piper and the rest of the JREFers are the rats of hamlin.
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Nonsense. It's quite the contrary. Skeptics here are not like the brainless loons who follow the persona of the day within the "truth" movement, who go about their wilfully blind way without ever seeking out or ascertaining facts or evidence.

The brainless "rats" are people like you who blindly follow the "9/11 was an inside job" mantra and do not bother to engage your brains or to utilize any form of critical thinking skills.

Your hundreds of posts in 2 days, which are nearly all comprised of nothing but mindless nonsense, with no facts, logic or evidence to support your blathering, tend to indicate that you are either incapable of critical thought, or unwilling to even give it a try.

Moreover, unlike CTers, we don't wear matching tee shirts and rally around shouting mindless, stupid slogans on cue like the rats of the "truth" movement do.

People respect Gravy's work precisely because he has actually done countless hours of work researching the facts and evidence and presenting them clearly, in addition to his ability to take on and systematically annihilate the lame and unfounded "arguments" of the lunatics at Ground Zero every weekend.

You are so wrong on all counts that you don't even know you're wrong.

And that is sad, indeed.
 
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Docker said:
Molten aluminium is not that colour in daylight.
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So, "Gravy is the pied piper and the rest of the JREFers are the rats of hamlin", and yet, you're the one quoting the exact same BS arguments we've seen for CTist for months now. Couldn't you at least try and make up some new BS?


Say what you will about Christophera, at least he comes up with his own wacky theories.....
 
Docker said:
Its like gravy is the pied piper and the rest of the JREFers are the rats of hamlin.
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No, Docker, it's that I've spent more time on this than anyone else. It makes me very angry when people like you make wild, unfounded claims but are too lazy to research them.

It's Pied Piper of Hamelin. Corrected that for you.
 
Docker said:
Molten aluminium is not that colour in daylight.
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11. Why do some photographs show a yellow stream of molten metal pouring down the side of WTC2 that NIST claims was aluminum from the crashed plane although aluminum burns with a white glow?

NIST reported (NCSTAR 1-5A) that just before 9:52 a.m., a bright spot appeared at the top of a window on the 80th floor of WTC 2, four windows removed from the east edge on the north face, followed by the flow of a glowing liquid. This flow lasted approximately four seconds before subsiding. Many such liquid flows were observed from near this location in the seven minutes leading up to the collapse of this tower. There is no evidence of similar molten liquid pouring out from another location in WTC 2 or from anywhere within WTC 1.

Photographs, and NIST simulations of the aircraft impact, show large piles of debris in the 80th and 81st floors of WTC 2 near the site where the glowing liquid eventually appeared. Much of this debris came from the aircraft itself and from the office furnishings that the aircraft pushed forward as it tunneled to this far end of the building. Large fires developed on these piles shortly after the aircraft impact and continued to burn in the area until the tower collapsed.

NIST concluded that the source of the molten material was aluminum alloys from the aircraft, since these are known to melt between 475 degrees Celsius and 640 degrees Celsius (depending on the particular alloy), well below the expected temperatures (about 1,000 degrees Celsius) in the vicinity of the fires. Aluminum is not expected to ignite at normal fire temperatures and there is no visual indication that the material flowing from the tower was burning.

Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface.
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Gravy said:
No, Docker, it's that I've spent more time on this than anyone else. It makes me very angry when people like you make wild, unfounded claims but are too lazy to research them.

It's Pied Piper of Hamelin. Corrected that for you.
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Forgive me boss, i've never seen hamelin written down.

I habe made no outrageous claims. It is you who are making ridiculous claims without any evidence to back them up.
 
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