william rodriguez

[Docker]

There must have been a lot of this fuel. Some burned off in a huge fireball, some destroyed the basement and some brought down a 110 storey building. Big fuel tanks those.

 

[gumboot]

False. Fuel explosions caused that damage throughout the elevator areas in the WTC, which you would know if you had bothered to read the eyewitness accounts.

Gravy do you have a compliation of eye witness testimony specific to this? I recall putting together a compilation of accounts from various floors for a specific post at one point, but it would be a useful resource to have handy, and I am sure there are many more than I uncovered.

-Gumboot

 

[Arus808]

Gravy you cannot prove this.

you can't prove that there were explosives in the basement.

however, gravy has evidence that there wasnt any.

 

[Docker]

OMG again, you are being obtuse
YOU just stated a FALSE statement.
GRAVY corrected your statement!
Its not splitting hairs!

It is splitting hairs if the correction makes no real difference to the content or context of what I said.

 

[Garb]

There must have been a lot of this fuel. Some burned off in a huge fireball, some destroyed the basement and some brought down a 110 storey building. Big fuel tanks those.

See now you are just being annoying.

 

[bonavada]

How are we meant to perceive the following?

"Engineer Mike Pecoraro, who was working in the sixth sub-basement of the north tower, said that after an explosion he and a co-worker went up to the C level, where there was a small machine shop. “There was nothing there but rubble,” said Pecoraro. “We're talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press--gone!” They then went to the parking garage, but found that it was also gone. Then on the B level, they found that a steel-and-concrete fire door, which weighed about 300 pounds, was wrinkled up "like a piece of aluminum foil." Having seen similar things after the terrorist attack in 1993, Pecoraro was convinced that a bomb had gone off."

you forgot the following, mike and his mate found that door then, WALKED THROUGH THE OPEN DOORWAY to continue the ascent to the lobby. clear evidence that the explosion originated ABOVE level B at least. how could an explosion down in the depths of the bathtub SUCK a door off its hinges TOWARD that explosion?
also if you cared to read the whole mike pecararo account he does not say there WAS a car fire on the parking level only that, "We smelled kerosene" "I was thinking MAYBE a car fire was upstairs"
the WHOLE MIKE PECARARO STORY IS HERE
read it. maybe you won't make so many elementary mistakes when trying to work out what happened.

BV

 

[Arus808]

There must have been a lot of this fuel. Some burned off in a huge fireball, some destroyed the basement and some brought down a 110 storey building. Big fuel tanks those.

did you even bother to research prior to posting here.
Its estimated that only 20-40% of the fuel was "burned" up in the initial impact.

Tell me genius, where the heck is all that extra fuel going to go?

 

[Docker]

Typical CT. You don't agree with the official explaination, but when asked what did happen, who did it, or how, you all revert to "I don't know"

Convenient, no?

I could ask you "show me an example of a car bomb causing that damage or withdraw your contention" but then you would answer "I never said it was a car bomb"

You CTist are cowards, by not providing any case, but only asking questions. Be a man and stop faqing around, tell us WHAT EXACTLY happened on 9/11.

A car bomb blew out six levels in 1993.

 

[Arus808]

It is splitting hairs if the correction makes no real difference to the content or context of what I said.

YOUR context and content, made your statement sound like you are maintaining that the car bomb was Directly beneath the towers.

Its does make a difference

YOu surely are taking every known tactic out of tha CTER manual.

 

[Docker]

did you even bother to research prior to posting here.
Its estimated that only 20-40% of the fuel was "burned" up in the initial impact.

Tell me genius, where the heck is all that extra fuel going to go?

Show me a source for your extremely wide estimate 20-40%

The elevators didnt even go all the way to the top and were sealed.

Your proposing the magic fuel theory like the magic bullet

 

[Bell]

A car bomb blew out six levels in 1993.

Duck and cover.

We're talking eight years later here. September 11, 2001. What happened that day, according to you?

 

[Arus808]

A car bomb blew out six levels in 1993.

false again.

it created 30 meter hole and destroyed only 4 levels.

Here you make it sound like entire floors were destroyed.

 

[Docker]

Uh oh, said a word twice! How terrible is my argument!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel-air_explosive

And define what kind of rubble. The quote wasn't very clear.

Your using wikipedia as a source?

Funny that because in another thread I was told by skeptics that wikipedia wasn't reliable.

 

[Arus808]

Show me a source for your extremely wide estimate 20-40%

fema, nist, and subsequent reports.

The elevators didnt even go all the way to the top and were sealed.

You were already told that this was wropng
the shafts ran the length of the building.
they weren't sealed. Otherwise how the hell would people use them elevators!?

Your proposing the magic fuel theory like the magic bullet

god you are being purposefully obtuse.

 

[Garb]

Show me a source for your extremely wide estimate 20-40%

The elevators didnt even go all the way to the top and were sealed.

Your proposing the magic fuel theory like the magic bullet

So people had to use stairs the rest of the way?

 

[Garb]

Your using wikipedia as a source?

Funny that because in another thread I was told by skeptics that wikipedia wasn't reliable.

Wikipedia has its own sources to cite all the information. Did you not know that?

 

[Gravy]

Now your just splitting hairs. Please dont do that, it weakens your already flimsy arguments

Splitting hairs??? You said the 1993 bomb went off in the basement of one of the towers. It didn't. See the difference?

Please point out an argument of mine that's flimsy. Now.

Are you going to take a break and read the eyewitness accounts before digging any deeper?

Here are some more that aren't included in that post:

1st Sub-basement: William Rodriguez

"On 9/11, at 8:46, I was at the basement of the North Tower, the first tower to be impacted, the second one to fall.

While I was there, a second or two before the plane hit, there was a huge explosion on the sublevel b-2 to sublevel b-3."

Host: "So there was an explosion from below you?"

WR: "Correct. And that was, you know (snaps fingers), a second or two before the impact of the plane."

Source: At 11:40 in the video "What's the Truth – How Indeed Did the Twin Towers Collapse?"

Rodriguez again:
And all of a sudden we heard boom! And I thought it was a generator that blew up in the basement. And I said to myself: Oh my God, I think that's the generator. And I was going to verbalize it, and when I finished saying that in my mind, I hear boom! Right on the top. Pretty far away. So, it was a difference between coming from the basement and coming from the top.
Do high explosives create kerosene fireballs?

4th Sub-basement. Phillip Morelli describes the initial blast from the freight elevator shaft, and what appears to be the impact of a falling elevator car:

"As I'm walking by the main freight car of the building, in the corridor, that's when I got blown. I mean, the impact of the explosion, of whatever happened, it threw me to the floor, and that's when everything started happening. It knocked me right to the floor. Of course you didn't know what it was, you're assuming something just fell over in the loading dock, something very heavy, something very big. You don't know what happened, and all of a sudden you just felt the floor moving, and you get up, and the walls – and then, you know now I'm hearing that the main freight car, you know the elevators, fell down, so I was right near the main freight car, so I assume what that was. [Describing the same event] Then, you know, you heard that coming towards you, I was racing, I was going towards the bathrooms, you know, all of a sudden, and a big impact happened again, and all the ceiling tiles were falling down, the light fixtures falling, swinging out of the ceiling.

And I come running out of the door, and everything – the walls were down, and now I started running towards the parking lot. [He describes going underground from WTC 1 to 2, helping injured people.] And then all of a sudden it happened all over again. Building 2 got hit. Again, I don't know that, I just know something else hit into the floor. Right in the basement you felt it. Walls were caving in, everything that was going on. I mean, I know people that got killed in the basement, I know people that got broken legs in the basement, people that got reconstructive surgery because the walls hit them in the face."
http://www.ny1.com/pages/RRR/911special_survivors.html

Will you read the rest of the accounts and tell us if, and why, you disagree with them? Just asking questions. I've already taken the trouble to provide the answers.

 

[Docker]

See now you are just being annoying.

Just taking tips from you lad.

 

[Arus808]

So people had to use stairs the rest of the way?

yeah he';s forgetting on purpose that there were people stuck in some of the elevators.
that the naudet film showed several people getting out of an elevator and they smelt of jet fuel and some had burns on them.
that in the naudet film they even described smelling fuel.

Guess facts just doesn't work in the world that Docker lives in.

 

[Bell]

So people had to use stairs the rest of the way?

Indeed! To get from the indoor observation deck to the outdoor one, you couldn't use an elevator. You had to use stairs. Lucky those were escalators though.