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william rodriguez

Sound analysis from laymen seems worthless to me. I know for a fact that I've interpreted loud noises to be coming from a completely different angle than evidence proves.

People describe explosions, that's just what to expect- how else to describe the sounds?

I make a difference between Rodriguez and his EARwitnesssing and the poeple in "9/11- an oral history" and their EYEwitnessing of popped marblewalls, sagging floors, creaking and dislodging of walls visavi ceilings.

But I also think that it's an adequate distinction.
 
osmosis said:
In short, not only can a person standing upright not tell the difference between a sound coming from above or below, s/he can't even say if it was from in front or behind.
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Um...

As the proud owner/operator of two human ears, I can state with some certainty that there is at least one human in the world who can tell the general direction of a sound.
 
bonavada said:
you cite mike pecarao's story in one of the links.
christophera, in the interminable "realistice" thread, selectively quotes him (and others in your link) in a vain attempt to bolster his CD fantasies.
i tackled our chris over this HERE
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Good job on that reply.http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2008805#post2008805

anyway, the thread is now becoming somewhat tedious.
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JREF Forums understatement of the year? :D

Christophera also mentioned the account of Phillip Morelli, claiming that he was knocked down by two blasts in the north tower. Wrong. Here's what Morelli actually said:

4th Sub-basement. Phillip Morelli describes the initial blast from the freight elevator shaft, and what appears to be the impact of a falling elevator car:

"As I'm walking by the main freight car of the building, in the corridor, that's when I got blown. I mean, the impact of the explosion, of whatever happened, it threw me to the floor, and that's when everything started happening. It knocked me right to the floor. Of course you didn't know what it was, you're assuming something just fell over in the loading dock, something very heavy, something very big. You don't know what happened, and all of a sudden you just felt the floor moving, and you get up, and the walls – and then, you know now I'm hearing that the main freight car, you know the elevators, fell down, so I was right near the main freight car, so I assume what that was. [Describing the same event] Then, you know, you heard that coming towards you, I was racing, I was going towards the bathrooms, you know, all of a sudden, and a big impact happened again, and all the ceiling tiles were falling down, the light fixtures falling, swinging out of the ceiling.

And I come running out of the door, and everything – the walls were down, and now I started running towards the parking lot. [He describes going underground from WTC 1 to 2, helping injured people.] And then all of a sudden it happened all over again. Building 2 got hit. Again, I don't know that, I just know something else hit into the floor. Right in the basement you felt it. Walls were caving in, everything that was going on. I mean, I know people that got killed in the basement, I know people that got broken legs in the basement, people that got reconstructive surgery because the walls hit them in the face."
http://www.ny1.com/pages/RRR/911special_survivors.html
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Beleth said:
Um...

As the proud owner/operator of two human ears, I can state with some certainty that there is at least one human in the world who can tell the general direction of a sound.
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Amazing. Because I know I can't do that at all times. Sound travels in crazy ways, tricking your ears. I still don't see how this couldn't have been the case with Rod- but far more important, I do NOT see the value of ear witness as compared to eye witness. Ears can easily be tricked. Eyes can, as well, but to a certain extent, as visuals are easily described.
 
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Beleth said:
Um...

As the proud owner/operator of two human ears, I can state with some certainty that there is at least one human in the world who can tell the general direction of a sound.
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The human ear is excellent at determining the direction of sound on the horizontal axis, but appalling at determining it on the vertical axis.

This is the main reason cinema surround sound is all at the same vertical level (no speakers down low and up high). They could produce true surround sound by having sound coming from above and below as well as all sides, but no human would appreciate it.

-Gumboot
 
How are we meant to perceive the following?

"Engineer Mike Pecoraro, who was working in the sixth sub-basement of the north tower, said that after an explosion he and a co-worker went up to the C level, where there was a small machine shop. “There was nothing there but rubble,” said Pecoraro. “We're talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press--gone!” They then went to the parking garage, but found that it was also gone. Then on the B level, they found that a steel-and-concrete fire door, which weighed about 300 pounds, was wrinkled up "like a piece of aluminum foil." Having seen similar things after the terrorist attack in 1993, Pecoraro was convinced that a bomb had gone off."
 
Docker said:
How are we meant to perceive the following?

"Engineer Mike Pecoraro, who was working in the sixth sub-basement of the north tower, said that after an explosion he and a co-worker went up to the C level, where there was a small machine shop. “There was nothing there but rubble,” said Pecoraro. “We're talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press--gone!” They then went to the parking garage, but found that it was also gone. Then on the B level, they found that a steel-and-concrete fire door, which weighed about 300 pounds, was wrinkled up "like a piece of aluminum foil." Having seen similar things after the terrorist attack in 1993, Pecoraro was convinced that a bomb had gone off."
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Here's a question: What good would it do to blow those up if they were going to level the building anyways?
 
Docker said:
How are we meant to perceive the following?

"Engineer Mike Pecoraro, who was working in the sixth sub-basement of the north tower, said that after an explosion he and a co-worker went up to the C level, where there was a small machine shop. “There was nothing there but rubble,” said Pecoraro. “We're talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press--gone!” They then went to the parking garage, but found that it was also gone. Then on the B level, they found that a steel-and-concrete fire door, which weighed about 300 pounds, was wrinkled up "like a piece of aluminum foil." Having seen similar things after the terrorist attack in 1993, Pecoraro was convinced that a bomb had gone off."
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Very little of that quote is actually Pecoraro's words.

-Gumboot
 
Garb said:
Here's a question: What good would it do to blow those up if they were going to level the building anyways?
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So your calling these witnesses liars? Nice.

Blowing basements would be an ideal way to weaken the 47 corecolumns where they actually meet the bedrock.
 
Docker said:
So your calling these witnesses liars? Nice.

Blowing basements would be an ideal way to weaken the 47 corecolumns where they actually meet the bedrock.
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No. I'm calling you out on trying to pin destroyed presses on the government.

Did they ever talk about destroyed supports? Holes in the walls? If I saw a destroyed press I'd surely check the walls to see where it could have possibly come from.

You need motive if you don't have any evidence that it was actually an explosion.
 
While we are on the subject of jet fuel, only one elevator went all the way up the building, the rest went between skylobbys. The jet fuel theory is nonsense
 
Docker said:
While we are on the subject of jet fuel, only one elevator went all the way up the building, the rest went between skylobbys. The jet fuel theory is nonsense
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And where were the presses located?
 
Docker said:
While we are on the subject of jet fuel, only one elevator went all the way up the building, the rest went between skylobbys. The jet fuel theory is nonsense
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The elevators were stacked above each other inside the shafts. The actual elevator shafts ran the entire length of the building. This argument, also, has been well and truely demolished.

-Gumboot
 
Docker said:
While we are on the subject of jet fuel, only one elevator went all the way up the building, the rest went between skylobbys. The jet fuel theory is nonsense
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The shafts ran the length of the buildings, I believe.

ETA: Gums beat me D'oh!
 
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