Ed Moving On is coming.

[Kent1]

Notice anything missing here?





I wonder why they don't include the "confession" video?

The 19 Arab conspiracy is crumbling and it mostly seems to be quotes directly from the FBI and not CT websites.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Russell I would suggest contacting Rex Tomb. I can give you his e-mail if you like later tonight when I get home. From my understanding he has backed down on his statements. You can also contact Ed Haas.
Also see:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/27/AR2006082700687.html
Furthermore see:
http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/14-610042.html

Russell use the same investigative skills you used on the Pentagon. I'M sure you can answer some of these.

Best Scott

 

[Gravy]

That I have read in full. Perhaps forwarding it to the FBI would be useful.

I assume you're being snide about that. I also assume you've viewed the video. If the translation is accurate, do you think it should be taken seriously?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Notice anything missing here?





I wonder why they don't include the "confession" video?

The 19 Arab conspiracy is crumbling and it mostly seems to be quotes directly from the FBI and not CT websites.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Mr. Pickering, could you please show us where the FBI said; "We do not believe Bin Laden was behind 9-11"?

Failing that, could you explain who the LAPD and the LA prosecutors office believed murdered Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman and wether they had sufficient evidence to convict?

 

[Moving On]

Gravy,

Since you are here and I have been reading your WTC7 report could you clarify the "pull it" comment in regards to firefighting operations?

I was a firefighter for 11 years and never heard that term or anything like it used. 8 of those years were professional with the Seattle Fire Department and much of our high-rise training came from NYFD since they are regarded as the best in the world.

I did a Google search on "firefighting pull it" and found no professional reference.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=firefighting+pull+it&btnG=Google+Search

I did the same with "fireground pull it" with the same results except for one reference to “pull the plug”.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=fireground+pull+it&btnG=Search

I did the same with "firefighter(s) pull it".

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...-53,GGLH:en&q=firefighter+pull+it&btnG=Search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=firefighters+pull+it&btnG=Search

In that series of searches I did find a comprehensive glossary of firefighter terms which I am familiar with from experience and that term was not there. The closest I found was:

Evacuation: Removal of personnel from a dangerous area, in particular, a HAZMAT incident, burning building, or other emergency. Also refers to act of removing firefighters from a structure in danger of collapsing.

This is the term I am familiar with. It is usually coupled with the term fireground and used as "fireground evacuation".

Russell

 

[Moving On]

from 2002 no less,

"The hijackers also left no paper trail. In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper – either here in the U.S. or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere – that mentioned any aspect of the September 11th plot. The hijackers had no computers, no laptops, no storage media of any kind."

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/speeches/speech041902.htm

now:

http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress04/lewis092904.pdf

2 years on, and this was just a quick search

hellaeon,

I just read that document and perhaps missed something. Did you find a contradiction with the part of Director Mueller's statement I have bolded above?

I may have missed it.

Russell

 

[Gravy]

UK,

The reason I feel the identification of the bodies is important is the following two comments by the director of the FBI.

FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged on Thursday that the identity of several of the suicide hijackers is in doubt.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/1559151.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm


DISCLAIMER (LashL) - I realize that the bulk of this article has been debunked and I only refer to the quote above. There is also MSM footage of this that I can't link you to right now. I have personally seen it.

Just noticed this. Russell, why in the world are you citing it?

 

[hellaeon]

I assume you accept there is a paper trail?

EDIT: huh? that document is about the financing of 9/11 hijackers. Did I read it wrong??? It talks about the paper trail left in finacial institutions? someone besides russell tell me its not about that and where I went wrong so I can negate. Perhaps im reading it too hastily.

 

[LashL]

UK,

The reason I feel the identification of the bodies is important is the following two comments by the director of the FBI.



DISCLAIMER (LashL) - I realize that the bulk of this article has been debunked and I only refer to the quote above. There is also MSM footage of this that I can't link you to right now. I have personally seen it.

And this one:



Russell

I have to say that I'm disappointed. Leaving aside the first link, which has been thoroughly debunked long ago (which you rightly acknowledge), and looking only at the second one, you have engaged here in egregious quote mining, Russell, by picking out these two sentences among hundreds and purporting to suggest that they support the premise you were getting at.

I'm a bit surprised at you.

Those two sentences do not even remotely reflect the content, the tone, the context, the totality, or the overarching theme of the entire document, and when they are pulled out of context as you have done, they are grossly misleading to those who won't be bothered to actually read the entire document, by those who are easily led astray, and by those who are, for whatever reason, incapable of analyzing information properly.

How disappointing to see that come from you.

 

[Gravy]

Gravy,
Since you are here and I have been reading your WTC7 report could you clarify the "pull it" comment in regards to firefighting operations?

In the second section I get into that pretty heavily. I cite 26 instances of 9/11 first responders using the term "pull" to mean withdraw from the dangerous area.

 

[LashL]

Gravy,

Since you are here and I have been reading your WTC7 report could you clarify the "pull it" comment in regards to firefighting operations?

I was a firefighter for 11 years and never heard that term or anything like it used. 8 of those years were professional with the Seattle Fire Department and much of our high-rise training came from NYFD since they are regarded as the best in the world.

I did a Google search on "firefighting pull it" and found no professional reference.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=firefighting+pull+it&btnG=Google+Search

I did the same with "fireground pull it" with the same results except for one reference to “pull the plug”.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=fireground+pull+it&btnG=Search

I did the same with "firefighter(s) pull it".

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...-53,GGLH:en&q=firefighter+pull+it&btnG=Search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=firefighters+pull+it&btnG=Search

In that series of searches I did find a comprehensive glossary of firefighter terms which I am familiar with from experience and that term was not there. The closest I found was:

Evacuation: Removal of personnel from a dangerous area, in particular, a HAZMAT incident, burning building, or other emergency. Also refers to act of removing firefighters from a structure in danger of collapsing.

This is the term I am familiar with. It is usually coupled with the term fireground and used as "fireground evacuation".

Russell

Some old timer firefighter types will tell you that "pull it" is indeed an old firefighting term that refers to the physical act of tugging on the hoseline to signal firefighters inside a building to evacuate the building.

Most current firefighters will tell you that they get "pulled" from buildings when they receive an order to evacuate.

 

[Moving On]

Scientologist,

Thank you. I appreciate what you said.

I believe that some of the documentation here tonight does go beyond just my feelings though.

I agree with you on the weakness of certain elements with the theory I am developing. I am researching it and if it turns out to be a dead end I will reconsider. Right now there is an interesting trail - enough to keep me going.

My end point in all of this will only be to try and attempt to demonstrate that we should all admit that none of us is sporting definitive evidence and thus proof of conspiracy or no conspiracy. Right now it is worth my time.

I feel that we have also documented that some of the testimony and circumstances under which it was given is also "fishy" and effectively requires a leap of faith when it comes to any adherence to the "official" reports.

Russell

 

[Pardalis]

Besides, please, please please please tell me Russell that you don't think WTC7 was a controlled demolition!

Please!

 

[Gravy]

Some old timer firefighter types will tell you that "pull it" is indeed an old firefighting term that refers to the physical act of tugging on the hoseline to signal firefighters inside a building to evacuate the building.

Most current firefighters will tell you that they get "pulled" from buildings when they receive an order to evacuate.

Russell is making the mistake of using Silverstein's 2002 quote as if it's specific firefighting terminology. He should know better.

 

[hellaeon]

I have to say that I'm disappointed. Leaving aside the first link, which has been thoroughly debunked long ago (which you rightly acknowledge), and looking only at the second one, you have engaged here in egregious quote mining, Russell, by picking out these two sentences among hundreds and purporting to suggest that they support the premise you were getting at.

I'm a bit surprised at you.

Those two sentences do not even remotely reflect the content, the tone, the context, the totality, or the overarching theme of the entire document, and when they are pulled out of context as you have done, they are grossly misleading to those who won't be bothered to actually read the entire document, by those who are easily led astray, and by those who are, for whatever reason, incapable of analyzing information properly.

How disappointing to see that come from you.

Not to mention also the age of the documents. So much has happened and been uncovered and investigated since then. This is poor.

 

[Moving On]

Just noticed this. Russell, why in the world are you citing it?

Gravy,

I was quoting Robert Mueller's statement in the context of the bodies still being unidentified to this very day. I was clear about my use of that quote.

Russell

 

[Pardalis]

I feel that we have also documented that some of the testimony and circumstances under which it was given is also "fishy" and effectively requires a leap of faith when it comes to any adherence to the "official" reports.

I'm sorry? I must have missed that part...

 

[LashL]

Russell is making the mistake of using Silverstein's 2002 quote as if it's specific firefighting terminology. He should know better.

I agree. It is obviously not what Silverstein meant.

But I mentioned the oldtimers bit because since Russell used to be a firefighter, he could/should be in a position to actually go and talk to some oldtimers who may very well tell him that once upon a time, they did pull on the hose as an evacuation signal to firefighters inside.

 

[Moving On]

hellaeon,

I assume you accept there is a paper trail?

EDIT: huh? that document is about the financing of 9/11 hijackers. Did I read it wrong??? It talks about the paper trail left in finacial institutions? someone besides russell tell me its not about that and where I went wrong so I can negate. Perhaps im reading it too hastily.

I recognized it as being about a financial trail instantly.

You indicated that it might contradict Mueller's statement, "The hijackers also left no paper trail. In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper – either here in the U.S. or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere – that mentioned any aspect of the September 11th plot. The hijackers had no computers, no laptops, no storage media of any kind."

It does not.

Russell

 

[Pardalis]

Gravy,

I was quoting Robert Mueller's statement in the context of the bodies still being unidentified to this very day. I was clear about my use of that quote.

Russell

What about the other highjackers who were identified?

 

[LashL]

edit, never mind