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Apple Computer Building Offends Muslims

I always wonder about the one-issue people on this board. I'm sure we can all think of several examples. They're the posters who have exactly one topic, about which they are exceedingly agitated. There's an old-fashioned term for that sort of thing: monomania.
 
Any call for violence against the West is wrong.

Any call for violence against Jews is wrong.

It doesn't matter if there is an article next to it which calls for dialogue with the West or dialogue with the Jews.

Why just 'the west' and 'Jews'? Would you also agree that any call for violence against 'the east' or 'Muslims' is also wrong?
 
Why just 'the west' and 'Jews'? Would you also agree that any call for violence against 'the east' or 'Muslims' is also wrong?
My tuppence worth there is that calls for violence against any group is wrong.

You summed the trouble up nicely, Steve is just the Western version of those Islamic nutters he keeps finding. Steve, are you old enough to be Joe McCarthy reincarnated?

I'll will stand in favour of monomania, though. Better that than the guys who believe everything - I commented on one today who was 9/11, JFK, Bigfoot, Elvis, the works - you describe it, he'll believe it.
 
No, Steve! This is an example of an organization that mines for any inflammatory statements it can find so that they can bring Islamist hatred and ignorance to the attention of blog-readers (first) and news-readers (if they are successful). MEMRI is notorious for this. They've been known to pick out the op-ed piece in a Middle Eastern paper that suits their needs, but to ignore the piece right next to it that supports cogent thought, moderation, and non-extremist views. MEMRI's on a mission.

The "stupid story", once again, is you relying on these obscure issues that should die a dog's death, and advancing them a few more days in the public discourse. Note to MEMRI: Mission (Part I) Accomplished!

Mission (Part II): Get enough bloggers to rant about the evil Muslims objecting to a building and send those articles to the Middle East and see if you can escalate it to protests of people burning Steve Jobs in effigy.

MEMRI and LGF. Working hard to stir up division and hatred. They are no better than Jewatch and other hate sites.
 
Here's an organization that mines for articles that will depict only the most ignorant, hateful, anti-western sentiments,

It doesn't have to do much "mining". Merely opening the daily paper in, say, Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia or the Palestinian Authority is enough. What it does have to do "mining" for is for moderate Arab or Muslim voices. And, in my experience, it--if anything--overrepresents them.

A few months ago, for example, there was an interview on CNN with a brave Arab Muslim woman who was very clear in her anti-Islamist stance. Despite the fact that this woman, unfortunately, is very much NOT representative of the Arab and Muslim world's general views, the video was featured quited prominently on MEMRI, IIRC. And this is by no means an isolated example of MEMRI featuring moderate or otherwise non-extremist Arab and Muslim opinion, as I can tell from experience.

MEMRI's only real "crime" is that its conclusions about the state of things in the Arab and Muslim world does not fit with the multiculturalist homilities (multiculturalists believe, as we all know, that all cultures are equal, but on the other hand there's only one acceptable opinion.) For this reason it is, of course, called "racist" and "biased"--which my muticulralism-to-English dictionary defines as "I disagree with them".

Once the latter is established, which is easy enough, there's no need for actually showing any evidence that MEMRI (or anybody) is really "quote mining", or looks only for those quotes which "depcit only the most ignorant, hateful, anti-western sentiments" (patently untrue, in MEMRI's case). This just has to be so--otherwise, how could they possibly have reached a conclusion that differs than the multiculturalists' conclusion?

Hell hath no fury like a multiculturalist contradicted.
 
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Claus(I know you'll be here sooner or later), can I copyright that.... A new skeptiterm......
GLOF - V, intr. the act of reading an article on (say) lower sales on lemon meringue pies during Channukah, and linking to an article in the Speedbump, Arizona Daily Clarion, about the number of lemons grown in Israel, and then sub-linking to an article in Skinheads Are KKKool about evil Joos.

:spjimlad: :spjimlad: :spjimlad:

Go right ahead.
 
Steve finds an opinion from a blogger and inflates that to include all Muslims.

So, what's new?
 
MEMRI and LGF. Working hard to stir up division and hatred. They are no better than Jewatch and other hate sites.

Well, there's a slight difference. jew-watch says, "So-and-so is a jew, he should be killed." MEMRI says, "The Imam in the largest mosque in Saudi Arabia had once more called for killing the jews." In the first case, there's no much the jew can do about it; in the second case, the Imam could sabotage MEMRI's evil plans to "stir up division and hatered" by not calling for a genocide of the jews.

To say they both those who call for genocide and those who point out their call for genocide are morally equivalent--because in both cases the result is "stirring up hatered"--is moral imbecility. It's like saying that Goebbles and Schirer, the well-known anti-Nazi CBS reporter in Berlin during the 30s and 40s, are morally equivalent: Goebbles "stirred up hatered" against the jews by inventing blood libels, Schirer "stirred up hatered" against the Nazis by documenting their actual beliefs and actions, so what's the difference? Both "stirred up hatered", so both are the same.

I'm sure I don't have to point the fallacy in this reasoning, do I?
 
Why just 'the west' and 'Jews'? Would you also agree that any call for violence against 'the east' or 'Muslims' is also wrong?


Of course.

My comments were purely in relation to you calling Memri disinformation because it only reports the hate speech from the Arab/Muslim media. That is not all it reports, of course, but it is what gets noted publically.

What you would do if, in this post, I argued that you kill my people's children to drink their blood and that you and your children should be killed and then in another post agree with you on some other issue?

Would you report this post to the mods or would you conclude that to do so would be biased?

In the same way, accusing Memri of being biased does not solve the problem that there is enormous amounts of hate speech in mainstream arab/muslim media.

My assertion is that unless you understand why someone hates you, you can't address that hatred. All you can do is destroy them, ignore them or submit to them.

By the way, have you read the article I linked to. LGF suggests that this is the ultimate source of the story. If so, it all seems to be based on a tasteless joke.
 
GTC - I'm not accusing them of being biased, as in "faith-biased", but I am stating that they have a pretty distinctive political history. Would it be in the interests of a whole bunch of former IDF and Israeli Intelligence advisers to turn more people to their view? Of course it would. Further, I'm not even questioning that right. Governments and NGO everywhere put spin on issues that they think are important.

**BTW - did you post a link to LGF? Is this another upgrade glitch? I didn't see one. But, yes, this seems to be another Blog-Spot cooked and overcooked issue.

Skeptic - I do understand that they have every right to point out silliness, nastiness, anti-anythingism....., and I support their right to do so. Just as if the US press was saying nasty things about China, and the People's Daily decided to spread the word. Everyone has every right (need) to know who their friends and enemies are. I just would like that Steve not post this irrelevant crap on what is a serious topic.

I detest any sort of "ist" that advocates killing others or overthrowing governments by violence. I may not agree with armchair Marxists and will argue 'til I'm blue in the face, but I absolutely detest the Maoist revolutionary faction that purports to support the same political end-goal ideology.

So, that's my statement, and I've made it before. If Steve wants to start a thread stating "All Muslims Are Evil", he should do so. Or go start a forum. I just don't think every Muslim in the world is evil and every silly (and I emphasize SILLY - this is another of many that Steve's trotted out) story has to be yet another proof of their evil intent. And in this case, MEMRI is really just sparking the flames, admittedly for reasons they believe in, but it still amounts to trivial incendiary behavior, IMHO.

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Get a grip, Steve. ANY modern building of that shape matches the Ka'aba, and there are literally thousands of such building all around the world. And I don't think there have been a whole lot of protests from many Muslims. Unless they are as eager to make a stink out of nothing like you are...

It is likely the use of the name "mecca" that is being objected to. That is why the official english name of the city is now Makkah.
 
You and this other guy (I think Skeptic?) are pretty much spamming the message board with these articles. We can all read these off the top page of drudgereport if we want to.
 
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It is likely the use of the name "mecca" that is being objected to. That is why the official english name of the city is now Makkah.

It's not being called "Mecca" by anyone at Apple. Some techie used the term about 6/8 months ago, I think. But I doubt that he/she even cared about the religious or political repercussions. Many English-speakers have used the term mecca for "hot spot", for years (as in a "mecca for tourists"). Someone picked up on it, passed it to someone else who passed to someone else and now it's proof that America and Apple don't respect Islam and equally proof that the evil Islamists are out destroy our very fiber of life.

If that sounds convoluted, good! That's life in these times.
 
Well, there's a slight difference. jew-watch says, "So-and-so is a jew, he should be killed." MEMRI says, "The Imam in the largest mosque in Saudi Arabia had once more called for killing the jews." In the first case, there's no much the jew can do about it; in the second case, the Imam could sabotage MEMRI's evil plans to "stir up division and hatered" by not calling for a genocide of the jews.

To say they both those who call for genocide and those who point out their call for genocide are morally equivalent--because in both cases the result is "stirring up hatered"--is moral imbecility. It's like saying that Goebbles and Schirer, the well-known anti-Nazi CBS reporter in Berlin during the 30s and 40s, are morally equivalent: Goebbles "stirred up hatered" against the jews by inventing blood libels, Schirer "stirred up hatered" against the Nazis by documenting their actual beliefs and actions, so what's the difference? Both "stirred up hatered", so both are the same.

I'm sure I don't have to point the fallacy in this reasoning, do I?

Do you read the posts on LGF? The sentiments would be indistinguishable from thost on Stormfront, if you did not know who they were directed at.
 
It's not being called "Mecca" by anyone at Apple. Some techie used the term about 6/8 months ago, I think. But I doubt that he/she even cared about the religious or political repercussions. Many English-speakers have used the term mecca for "hot spot", for years (as in a "mecca for tourists").

I think everyone uses or at least understands the term used like that.
 
BTW, that Apple store is gorgeous. Been there a few times and it's the coolest. And it's a store where the staff actually knows the products. Imagine that!

and perhaps some Muslims did take offense when they thought it was going to be a black cube (how it looked during construction http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD131506 ). Do they still feel this way now that it was revealed to be a clear glass cube? Somehow I'm thinking not.
 
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