Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[Bell]

Ok then show me if you did your homework, I'm curious about the results tomorrow

http://members.lycos.nl/einsteen/

First off, you said that after 95 pages there was no realistic explanation. I just pointed to the NIST website, as they have investigated the collapses.

Second, even though I'm not qualified to examine the collapse, I find nothing courious about it, and that includes the squibs (giggle). And the fact that almost all structural engineer agrees with the findings, does prove a point, I'd say.

I've seen the conclusions of the NIST investigation, not the entire report where for examples all the calculations are presented. I confesse, I'm not as smart or as educates as some around here. That doesn't mean I can have an opinion on something.

 

[Christophera]

First off, you said that after 95 pages there was no realistic explanation. I just pointed to the NIST website, as they have investigated the collapses.

Second, even though I'm not qualified to examine the collapse, I find nothing courious about it, and that includes the squibs (giggle). And the fact that almost all structural engineer agrees with the findings, does prove a point, I'd say.

I've seen the conclusions of the NIST investigation, not the entire report where for examples all the calculations are presented. I confesse, I'm not as smart or as educates as some around here. That doesn't mean I can have an opinion on something.

The NIST report is a fraud, and the structural information it is based on is a fraud. We have an alternative to the fraudulent self interested government spun reports we have August Domel Ph.d ST, PE,


August Domel, Jr., Ph.D., S.E., P.E. November 2001

Groundbreaking for construction of the World Trade Center took place on August 5, 1966.Tower One, standing 1368 feet high, was completed in 1970, and Tower Two, at 1362 feet high, was completed in 1972. The structural design for the World Trade Center Towers was done by Skilling, Helle, Christiansen and Robertson. It was designed as a tube building that included a perimeter moment-resisting frame consisting of steel columns spaced on 39-inch centers. The load carrying system was designed so that the steel facade would resist lateral and gravity forces and the interior concrete core would carry only gravity loads.

Dr. Domel received a Ph.D. from the University of Illinois at Chicago in 1988 and a Law Degree from Loyola University in 1992. He is a licensed Structural Engineer and Attorney at Law in the .State of Illinois and a Professional Engineer in twelve states, including the State of New York. Dr. Domel is authorized by the Department of Labor (OSHA) as a 10 and 30 hour construction safety trainer.

http://www.ncsea.com/downloads/wtcseerp.pdf


It is not competent to use information that is not consistent with physical evidence and Domels work is consistent with the evidence linked below.

concrete core of WTC 2​

 

[Christophera]

Yeah. Stonehenge was built over a period of nearly a thousand years, giving the folks plenty of time to correct things and get them lined up like they wanted them.
German Wikipedia so that you can see that it isn't a US Gov shill site.

English Wikipedia

British Stonehenge site.

Uh huh, why did they WANT them so accurate?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

The NIST report is a fraud, and the structural information it is based on is a fraud. We have an alternative to the fraudulent self interested government spun reports we have August Domel Ph.d ST, PE,


August Domel, Jr., Ph.D., S.E., P.E. November 2001

Groundbreaking for construction of the World Trade Center took place on August 5, 1966.Tower One, standing 1368 feet high, was completed in 1970, and Tower Two, at 1362 feet high, was completed in 1972. The structural design for the World Trade Center Towers was done by Skilling, Helle, Christiansen and Robertson. It was designed as a tube building that included a perimeter moment-resisting frame consisting of steel columns spaced on 39-inch centers. The load carrying system was designed so that the steel facade would resist lateral and gravity forces and the interior concrete core would carry only gravity loads.

Dr. Domel received a Ph.D. from the University of Illinois at Chicago in 1988 and a Law Degree from Loyola University in 1992. He is a licensed Structural Engineer and Attorney at Law in the .State of Illinois and a Professional Engineer in twelve states, including the State of New York. Dr. Domel is authorized by the Department of Labor (OSHA) as a 10 and 30 hour construction safety trainer.

http://www.ncsea.com/downloads/wtcseerp.pdf


It is not competent to use information that is not consistent with physical evidence and Domels work is consistent with the evidence linked below.

concrete core of WTC 2​

have you foudn anyone that saw the core firsthand and can describe it? maybe construction workers?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Uh huh, why did they WANT them so accurate?

if you follow the links back chris is attempting to connect the builders of a 5000 year old stone monument to some modern secret society

5000 years, must be taking the scenic route to global domination

 

[Christophera]

if you follow the links back chris is attempting to connect the builders of a 5000 year old stone monument to some modern secret society

5000 years, must be taking the scenic route to global domination

Why is the notion of the Druids using the circadian rythm with a precision so hard for you to grasp? Then that mixing with Egyptian which takes it a little too far into secrecy,

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3110&stc=1&d=1158207733

 

[LashL]

Seriously, people, this thread should be left to die. Chris is clearly not well, has a long history of psych issues that continue to the present, and I fear that by feeding this thread, we may be also feeding his illness.

The transcript of the trial relating to the little snip I provided above is clear and unambiguous. It provides clear and sad evidence of Chris' mental problems. I really think that we, collectively, should - out of kindness - let this thread die because further discussion (despite the fact that he is dead wrong about everything he's ever posted here, and despite the fact that so many here have proven that repeatedly) will only serve to exacerbate his obvious, longstanding mental health problems.

It is better to just let the thread die and hope (and encourage) that he seeks and obtains the help that he requires. For the love of all that is good and rational and (for those with a religious bent) holy, I truly hope that he does follow up on the advice that Mackey provided above.

Christophera: if you are reading this, please take to heart the advice Mackey offered above and talk to someone you know and trust, and please seek assistance accordingly. I genuinely hope that you are successful in that regard.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Why is the notion of the Druids using the circadian rythm with a precision so hard for you to grasp? Then that mixing with Egyptian which takes it a little too far into secrecy,

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3110&stc=1&d=1158207733

1: druids didnt build stonehenge, its older than that (try some research)

2: ancient cultures with advanced knowledge of astrony is not hard for me to grasp, its the bearing these cultures seem to have on world events 5000 years later, if its the same group of people running the show they deserve to rule simply on their patience

 

[ktesibios]

Seriously, people, this thread should be left to die. Chris is clearly not well, has a long history of psych issues that continue to the present, and I fear that by feeding this thread, we may be also feeding his illness.

I agree with LashL. While a psychologist friend to whom I wrote about this situation tells me that it's unlikely that someone who actively seeks confrontation about delusionally held beliefs will be harmed by argument, it's certain that contradiction will accomplish no good purpose. "Thought-disordered" (her term) beliefs are not amenable to evidence or arguement; the person holding them will simply adjust their DIY reality to ensure that the beliefs remain protected. That is exactly what we have seen happen repeatedly over dozens of pages.

The best thing to do, now that the realization is sinking in that everyone has been trying to argue with an illness, is to leave it alone and hope that Chris finds effective help. In fact, I think it would be well for the mods to close this thread.

 

[Christophera]

Seriously, people, this thread should be left to die. Chris is clearly not well, has a long history of psych issues that continue to the present,

A stuffy erroneous bore to say the least. No evidence.

We have a real problem with unaccountabilty of government. Examine. a letter failing to appear on subpoena. Think what you like, but I have the evidence that my local government violates State subpoena law and American rights. Yo have no evidence of anything, at all.

And, .......... you've already shown that the lives of 3000 Americans are un important to you so you won't care about this, which has cost a few more lives because the county refuses to follow through with appropriate mental health care. Thi sletter admits to failing to appear on subpoena and the inteference of witnesses.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3113&stc=1&d=1158218686

 

[Christophera]

1: druids didnt build stonehenge, its older than that (try some research)

2: ancient cultures with advanced knowledge of astrony is not hard for me to grasp, its the bearing these cultures seem to have on world events 5000 years later, if its the same group of people running the show they deserve to rule simply on their patience

I haven't been able to track down any sure group of people beside the Druids. You should provide a link, or do you not have any evidence also?

Certainly you know nothing of oral histories and racial histories. ever read a history book? What does CIRCA mean? What does it stand for?

 

[MortFurd]

A stuffy erroneous bore to say the least. No evidence.

We have a real problem with unaccountabilty of government. Examine. a letter failing to appear on subpoena. Think what you like, but I have the evidence that my local government violates State subpoena law and American rights. Yo have no evidence of anything, at all.

And, .......... you've already shown that the lives of 3000 Americans are un important to you so you won't care about this, which has cost a few more lives because the county refuses to follow through with appropriate mental health care. Thi sletter admits to failing to appear on subpoena and the inteference of witnesses.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3113&stc=1&d=1158218686

That letter admits to not being able to provide arrest records from 1876-1879. If you requested something else from them, then maybe you should state that. If you did request records from 1876-1879, then I'm really sorry but there's a very excellent chance that they don't exist any more.

ETA:
Drat it. I said I was going to stop arguing. Sorry. Last time.

 

[chipmunk stew]

I wish you the best, Christopher. I apologize for beating up on you.

 

[Parsman]

Christophera- Stonehenge was built around about 2000 years BCE. The Druids (the real ones and not the made up 19th century fairy tale that some people profess to follow) were part of Celtic culture which did not reach the British Isles until much later. If you understood history at all, you would understand that. But given your views on WTC I guess facts won't matter to you on this either.

 

[missyvanwinkle]

Two questions now

Hi Chris,

Hmmm, looks like I'm confused again. Could you explain how the letter you cite from the Santa Barbara sherrif's department provides you with evidence of witness tampering (or is "interference of witnesses" different from witness tampering? Just curious.

I read the article and your note and just don't see what you're reading.

Missy

P.S. I am still curious about the last two pieces of evidence you presented on hypnosis. Did I understand your point to be: the hypnosis you refer to is subconscious?

P.P.S. Is there a quick answer on how to refer to an attachment in another person's post until I am able to send URLs? I was hopeful of being able to send the 2 documents Chris was using for evidence so he wouldn't have to paw back through a bunch of other notes to review them.

A stuffy erroneous bore to say the least. No evidence.
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This letter admits to failing to appear on subpoena and the inteference of witnesses.
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[Z]

ZaayrDragon calls Pax Draconis Letum et Lux on Christopher A. Brown.

 

[Belz...]

ZaayrDragon calls Pax Draconis Letum et Lux on Christopher A. Brown.

Lux ? He's a friend of mine.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

OMG! An Aussie, a peace officer for a father, with your attitude; just about certain guy, they got to you. I appreciate you coming forward with that info even tho you couch it in ridicule.

You have no clue as to how screwed up psycholgists are. None. I have evidence, you have none of that either.

Troll. Gotta be.

Your form of denial is so typical that it proves your ignorance of your own past, your ancestors and all that they stood for.

Do you know why stonehenge has the physical accuracy it does to the winter Soltice sunrise?

Actually, Stonehenge isn't quite as accurate as you think.

 

[Christophera]

Christophera- Stonehenge was built around about 2000 years BCE. The Druids (the real ones and not the made up 19th century fairy tale that some people profess to follow) were part of Celtic culture which did not reach the British Isles until much later. If you understood history at all, you would understand that. But given your views on WTC I guess facts won't matter to you on this either.

The Neolithic era is inhabited by people that are unnamed. They could easily be the ancetors of the Celts and Druids were their preisthood.

What about hte word CIRCA. What is its meaning?

 

[Arus808]

^^ and what does this have to do with the thread at hand?