Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

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Architect said:
Et voila une autre fois.......

So chris, I see a lot of steel and no concrete: Discuss.
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We see exactly what I would expect. The helicopter photos will not see the core as it was almost always 40 feet below the top and the one looking across a floor does not look into the core. We see columns on the edge of the core area.
 
Bell said:
The only concrete I have ever seen in documentaries about the Twin Towers, was the concrete poured atop the trusses, as a basis for the floors.

The concrete we haven't seen, the concrete for the core was poured in from the top, only after the towers where completed. That's why the towers were so high, so they could wait until the tops were covered in fog, and nobody would notice.
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The concrete core of WTC 2. Note, no steel core columns.
 
Bell said:
Because else his picture which shows something standing up within the cloud of debris can't be labeled as a concrete core.
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I'm not sure if his problem is rooted in a misunderstanding of the oft-vaunted documentary he "saw", or if his predisposition to believe the controlled demolition theory made him reinterpret that documentary.
 
Christophera said:
The concrete core of WTC 2. Note, no steel core columns.
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Here you come again with the same old picture of something clouded by the debrise of the collapse of WTC 2.

Could you please explane why this picture shows a concrete core? I agree there is something standing up, but concrete? Just because it looks like the core is solid, you determine the core is concrete?

Oh, I forgot the imagenary documentary on PBS. Or BBC. Or whereever. The one the MIB confiscated. Just before 9/11 happened.
 
Dave_46 said:
Architect.

He's seen those pictures, or some similar ones before. What a sensible person calls the core columns he calls interior box columns, or something similar. They are apparently there to support the formwork for the concrete, which is poured seven storeys behind the rest of the construction (yes, I know its crap).

Dave
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Quite capable at cognitive distortions aren't you

The interior box columns are called "interior' because the are the inner wall of the outer tube of the "tube in a tube" construction. They were USED to support forms for the concrete core, the INNER tube of the "tube in a tube" construction.

The concrete is poured a minimum of 4 floors below the top floor because the interior box columns support the framework and it must be in place pour whic is a maximum of 40 foot vertical.

The steel was not allowed to extend more thatn 7 stories over the top of the concrete because engineers were worried that the lifting capacity of the kangaroo cranes could subject the steel framework to more load than it could handle without the concrete core resisting lateral forces.

Dave_46 said:
Told you
Dave
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Here is the core, exposed by the demolition. Notice, no core columns, just concrete

Christophera said:
DUH, typical. Steel columns are NOT "core columns"

I know steel columns are seen falling. I know that they are interior box columns which surround the core. Not "core columns".
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Here again we see the concrete shear wall left of an interio box column, the spire.

concrete shearwall holding up the spire.
 
Bell said:
Here you come again with the same old picture of something clouded by the debrise of the collapse of WTC 2.

Could you please explane why this picture shows a concrete core? I agree there is something standing up, but concrete? Just because it looks like the core is solid, you determine the core is concrete?

Oh, I forgot the imagenary documentary on PBS. Or BBC. Or whereever. The one the MIB confiscated. Just before 9/11 happened.
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Guess what. Not one poster here has ever ventured to explain what that is standing 40 stories high after 1,000's of tons of steel crashed over it. What else but concrete could survive that?

The the C4 encapsulated in the concrete detonated and it went away.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html
 
Crashing into the pentagon using a flight simulator

Scroll to 28 minutes

mms://streams.omroep.nl/tv/vara/zembla/bb.20060910.asf

Especially for Gravy's debunking site, I don't know if he follows the same route precisely (and how the G-forces work) but he crashes into it. Good debunking news, the bad news is that the controlled demolition expert agrees that wtc7 is such a demolition.
 
Christophera said:
Guess what. Not one poster here has ever ventured to explain what that is standing 40 stories high after 1,000's of tons of steel crashed over it. What else but concrete could survive that?

The the C4 encapsulated in the concrete detonated and it went away.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html
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I'll venture if you desperately want to. I'll say it is the core. Tada! But not your Invicicrete (TM) core, but the actual, real world, steel beam core.

There are pictures (excuse me for not having links, even though I know you 9/11 deniers lurv pictures) of the lower parts of the core standing up amidts the rubble of the collapsed towers.

Guess what? The rescuers even pulled out survivors from those little parts of (real world) core that still stood.
 
einsteen said:
Crashing into the pentagon using a flight simulator

Scroll to 28 minutes

mms://streams.omroep.nl/tv/vara/zembla/bb.20060910.asf

Especially for Gravy's debunking site, I don't know if he follows the same route precisely (and how the G-forces work) but he crashes into it. Good debunking news, the bad news is that the controlled demolition expert agrees that wtc7 is such a demolition.
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I do not understand german, so please give me the name of the "Demolition" expert on this film that agrees that WTC7 was a demolition, so I may do a search for his credentials.

TAM
 
T.A.M. said:
I do not understand german, so please give me the name of the "Demolition" expert on this film that agrees that WTC7 was a demolition, so I may do a search for his credentials.

TAM
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Actual, that's Dutch (as am I). But it's close to German.

Anyhow, they show this CD expert a clip of WTC 7, which he didn't know collapsed on 9/11. They also didn't tell him the building was heavely damaged and burning on multiple floors.

He made his judgement only on that one piece of film, without any other information.

When they told him it was on 9/11, and many floors were burning, he said he didn't understand how this could happen.

Somewhere there's a Youtube video of this, with English subtitles, but I don't know where.
 
I posted the video before and spent hours for the damned subtitles. Here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqrn5x2_f6Q

About the wtc1 and wtc2 he said it is impossible that they used explosives, it goes from top to down and he noticed that the one with the
larger block went first although hit later by the plane and also that it started at those points of impact. He said that if you have to place them at those buildinng it would maybe take a year. Further he said that explosives would immediately burn because of fire in the building and he mentioned 320 degrees celsius, I don't know what kind of explosives he means ?
 
yes...I guess what I want to know is, did he say "That was a controlled Demolition" or did he say "It looks like a controlled demolition".

It is interesting though, that they did not give him the circumstances surrounding the collapse, which are of vital importance.
 
Steel beam core????????

Bell said:
I'll venture if you desperately want to. I'll say it is the core. Tada! But not your Invicicrete (TM) core, but the actual, real world, steel beam core.

There are pictures (excuse me for not having links, even though I know you 9/11 deniers lurv pictures) of the lower parts of the core standing up amidts the rubble of the collapsed towers.

Guess what? The rescuers even pulled out survivors from those little parts of (real world) core that still stood.
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I believe you mean "columns"

Here is a picture of the stairwell where the survivors were found. The concrete core wall to the left of it saved them.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3034&stc=1&d=1158029642
 

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Regnad Kcin said:
Tsk, tsk. You previously admitted you couldn't name them. Why go on about these invisible nonentities again?
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As if I did anything different, I did not. 3000 capitol crimes would have never been denied due process by the US government proper, so it must be infiltrated.

Is that okay with you?
 
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