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Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

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Oh yeah, the reason that I came here is that I'm at some other boards and believed in alternate 911 things for 75%, I think it's good to look seriously at the other views, just like politics.. you guys turned me to 50%

Wanna go for 0% ? Read Gravy's guide or watch Screw Loose Change.

Pardalis said:
The fact that there are CTists out there is not a proof that something is a miss in the 9/11 events, if that is what you are saying. It's only a proof that humankind can be very stupid sometimes.

I respectfully disagree, Panther-man. I think CTs, like religion, are based on ignorance, pure and simple, not stupidity, per se. Only in the most extreme cases can we put the person's intelligence or sanity in question.
 
Whoa, .......... powerful statement, look at all the evidence. Stand back folks, the ARCHITECT speaks.

If you cannot understand my questions, it proves you are ........ fake.

No. It proves you're talking nonsense mate.
 
Never paid much attention to this thread b4. I remember a doc airing with the same title. Don't believe it was BBC, could be wrong. The whole first hour of it was indeed about problems and concrete. The bathtub like retaining walls, is what they talked about being a nitemare. River a stones throw away,size of holes needed without disturbing surrounding buildings, etc...
None of this other stuff though, maybe he has confused the retaining walls, for a core.
/my.02

Yes, that seems like the same one because it was the only one that was 2 hours in length. First the design process, Yamasaki rejecting the steel core columns that Robertson proposed, then Yamasaki trying out the idea of the prestressed core that the BBC still thinks was the core,

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then the tub and the water intrusions into the excavation dominated. After that the basment walls and the core foundation, then the core.

After that the slowdown was the core and the limited number of welders with security clearances and getting the butt welds done on the oversize rebar of the core. How about the unscheduled evacuations of the concrete crews from the floors just before concerte was ready to pour? Remember, the concrete contractor flipped out 'cause there were 40 guys sitting around for 3-4 hours while the PA messed around, he threatened a law suit.
 
Yes, that seems like the same one because it was the only one that was 2 hours in length. First the design process, Yamasaki rejecting the steel core columns that Robertson proposed, then Yamasaki trying out the idea of the prestressed core that the BBC still thinks was the core,

Wasn't that diagram made in 2001, shortly after the attacks ? Surely, the BBC know better by now. You're using the tried-and-true CT strategy of relying on old, discredited and murky information rather than up-to-date data.

ALSO: Is it possible that you're confusing the tub of the WTC complex with the core ? We HAVE seen concrete used in the former's construction.
 

I submit you don't know what "corroborate" means.

"On day, as the lead consultant engineer was in my lab talking just about "stuff", I asked him, "Sometime in future, in 50 years or so, how are these Twin Towers are going to be taken down as tall as they were going to be and as tight as land is in a crowded city, without causing fast destruction to other buildings?"

He was standing upright. He outstretched his right arm with his palm down. And said, "Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam" as he lowered his hand down one imaginary floor at a time. All the way down to the floor. "

Thus showing he doesn't know how to properly demolish a building. Doing it from the top down is highly dangerous. If this is how they planned to do it "without causing [...] destruction to other buildings" then they're truly morons.
 
Ok, I refer to some stuff I found recently, for example questions 1,3,6,12,14 from
http://www.911research.wtc7.net-reviews-nist-WTC_FAQ_reply.html
And then there are all those other things (too many) like the 5 frames of the thing that hits the
pentagon near the ground. Show the vaporized plane or whatever it was and the CT'ers have
no ground. What's so secret about it, we are allowed to see pictures from inside why not a video
of da plane, da plane. I'm sure there must be more video evidence of what happened, i guess if I walk
there with a toothpick they notice me.

ps. I wish I never started with the 911 thing, I don't sleep very well last time

See if I can help...a little. I am by no means the most knowledgable, but I can often direct you to the answer If I don't have it myself.

1. If the World Trade Center (WTC) towers were designed to withstand multiple impacts by Boeing 707 aircraft, why did the impact of individual 767s cause so much damage?

1. The "multiple" impact comment is based on one interview article (it alludes me now) and contradicts the testimony of L. Robertson, one of the two original Structural Engineers who worked on the WTC. He says it was designed to withstand the "impact" of a (single) 707. Of course, designing is far from a failsafe. In their design for such a thing, they could not have accounted for (i) angle of impact, (ii) height of impact (what floor).
2. It was designed for a 707, which is 20% smaller than a 767.
3. The building actually did stand up to the impact, it did so for 50 min (S Tower) and 70 min (N Tower) respectively. There were no calculations to determine how long they would stand once hit.

3. How could the WTC towers have collapsed without a controlled demolition since no steel-frame, high-rise buildings have ever before or since been brought down due to fires? Temperatures due to fire don't get hot enough for buildings to collapse.

Ok, that is like asking "How could a man land on the moon in 1969, since noone had ever landed on it prior to then?" That is a bit of an extreme case I know, so to approach the point a bit more scientifically.

No other building had ever been hit by a plane the size of a 767, and have 5000 Gallons of fuel drain through out it, setting off 6-8 floors of office fires reaching 1000-1200C in temperature before either, so it is an unfair comparison. It was the COMBINATION of severe damage from the aircraft impact, along with the WIDESPREAD FIRES that resulted in the eventual collapses. That said there is an article which proves this statement wrong...

FPE article on previous collapses

6. How could the WTC towers collapse in only 11 seconds (WTC 1) and 9 seconds (WTC 2)—speeds that approximate that of a ball dropped from similar height in a vacuum (with no air resistance)?

1. These are approximates. There are more than one approximations out there that vary from 9-15 seconds for the collapses. Either way, if you look at what happened, you would expect not much better than near free fall anyway. You see, the overwhelming energy and momentum caused by the drop of the 18-20 floors of building above the impact zones even a modest 1-2 floors upon initialization of the collapse process, insured that little if any resistance was met as it continued down (read NIST FAQ yourself, and their other reports...you will see this). thus, for all intensive purposes, they would have collapsed at near free fall speed (8-9 seconds).

12. Did the NIST investigation look for evidence of the WTC towers being brought down by controlled demolition? Was the steel tested for explosives or thermite residues? The combination of thermite and sulfur (called thermate) "slices through steel like a hot knife through butter."

1. Why would NIST look for such evidence? Was it in their mandate to look into every idea someone comes up with as a possible cause for the collapse, regardless of how far fetched. They didn't look into Aliens shooting magic beams into it, or into "cloaked" planes launching missiles into the buildings where we think we see plane impacts (believe it or not this is proposed by some CTers).
2. There were thousands of people who worked on the cleanup of the WTC, including many who were demolition experts. None of them saw any sign of explosives, or other possible causes...

Implosionworld/Protec article

14. Why is the NIST investigation of the collapse of WTC 7 (the 47-story office building that collapsed on Sept. 11, 2001, hours after the towers) taking so long to complete? Is a controlled demolition hypothesis being considered to explain the collapse?

They have explained that those who were originally designated to work on the WTC7 case were diverted to the completion of the other elements of the NIST report until recently. There is an interim report, which I doubt will change much, from them on building WTC 7...

NIST REVIEW SITE

Go down the list until you find the "Interim Report on WTC 7" it is about 80% of the way down the first list of PDF files.

Finally, wrt the Pentagon Plane video:
the cameras that the footage was taken from are security cameras that take pictures at a rate of about 1-2 per second, not real time (20-30fps).

The other sources of footage are the property of the businesses that they were confiscated from. Once the FBi is finished with them (if not already) they will be given back to their owners. Ask yourself this...who has asked for the footage? What response did they get? Show me the proof that they asked and show me the response they got.

TAM
 
I submit you don't know what "corroborate" means.

Thus showing he doesn't know how to properly demolish a building. Doing it from the top down is highly dangerous. If this is how they planned to do it "without causing [...] destruction to other buildings" then they're truly morons.

I submit you should forget trying to anaylze anything here.

THINK, any atempt to demo from the the bottom threatens to cause toppling, how dangerous would that be by comparison to starting at the top with a building over 1/4 mile tall? OMG take his freakin' computer away.
 
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I submit you should forget trying to anaylze anything here.

THINK, any atempt to demo from the the bottom threatens to cause toppling, how dangerous would that be by comparison to starting at the top with a building over 1/4 mile tall? OMG take his freakin' computer away.
Another file in "precious, precious irony" folder...

Wrong again. You underestimate the energy needed to add any significant angular momentum to the structure -- which is vast. It isn't going to topple sideways by accident. Hence why when they actually fell, the tops did cant a few degrees, but did not topple the entire structure sideways. It's simply not going to happen.

OMG indeed.
 
Lemmings don't actually jump off cliffs in mass suicides. It's an urban legend.

-Andrew

But that picture is irrefutable proof! Where's your picture demonstrating Lemmings NOT following eachother off a cliff? You lack integrity! Integrity, I say!
 
But that picture is irrefutable proof! Where's your picture demonstrating Lemmings NOT following eachother off a cliff? You lack integrity! Integrity, I say!

In this photo you can clearly see no lemmings falling off a cliff.

-Andrew
 
Ok, I refer to some stuff I found recently, for example questions 1,3,6,12,14 from
http--911research.wtc7.net-reviews-nist-WTC_FAQ_reply.html

911 research is an unrelieable source of information, I suggest you don't read it.

And then there are all those other things (too many) like the 5 frames of the thing that hits the
pentagon near the ground. Show the vaporized plane or whatever it was and the CT'ers have
no ground. What's so secret about it, we are allowed to see pictures from inside why not a video
of da plane, da plane. I'm sure there must be more video evidence of what happened, i guess if I walk
there with a toothpick they notice me.

ps. I wish I never started with the 911 thing, I don't sleep very well last time
emphasis mine

What is your age?

The 9/11 thing? :mad:

Need I remind you that almost 3 000 people died that day, I suggest you take this subject matter more seriously.
 
THINK, any atempt to demo from the the bottom threatens to cause toppling, how dangerous would that be by comparison to starting at the top with a building over 1/4 mile tall? OMG take his freakin' computer away.
Yes, yes.... Collapsing from the top is MUCH safer. Especially for the evil, maniacal gubmint hell-bent on killing its own citizens, but compassionate enough to not kill TOO many of its own citizens. Yes....
 
in Einsteen's defence, I don't think English is his first language, and there may be some "generic" words such as thing, thrown in for speed, rather than ignorance.

TAM
 
In this photo you can clearly see no lemmings falling off a cliff.

-Andrew

That's clearly CIA disinfo cleverly disguised as a 3" kitty on a 4' patch of grass. Clearly you've been taken in by this clever ruse. Open your eyes to the truth, man!
 
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