"Go Stand Next to That Bomb. Don't Worry - It's Perfectly Safe."

[Jocko]

You're one to be pointing fingers at apologists, eh?

And don't be ridiculous - the OP was about ISRAELI ORDNANCE.

Which obviously just materializes out of pure meanness on the part of Israel, as indiscriminate as, say, a katyusha rocket launched at a distant city? Sure, Israel is always just dropping bombs on people at random! I found one in my herb garden this morning, here in Chicago. Those darn jews, huh?

You are being deliberately obtuse as well as short-sighted. The blame always ends on Israel, which is what MAKES YOU AN APOLOGIST FOR THE TERRORISTS TARGETING IT.

"Soon, you may even forget how to use the quote button and become completely indistinguishable from demon."

Does that bother you then?

Yeah, it really bothers me when you look like a floundering idiot who can't manage a keyboard or simple HTML tags.

 

[BPSCG]

Why thank you for the compliment, Beeps.

Pretty miniscule compliment to be compared favorably with demon. Kinda like saying, "You don't sweat nearly as much as most of the other fat girls I've dated..."

Aim higher.

 

[Mephisto]

Which obviously just materializes out of pure meanness on the part of Israel, as indiscriminate as, say, a katyusha rocket launched at a distant city? Sure, Israel is always just dropping bombs on people at random! I found one in my herb garden this morning, here in Chicago. Those darn jews, huh?

Politics aside, who put the unexploded rocket in the Lebanese neighborhood?

You are being deliberately obtuse as well as short-sighted. The blame always ends on Israel, which is what MAKES YOU AN APOLOGIST FOR THE TERRORISTS TARGETING IT.

Who is apologizing for whom? You're saying that Israel is perfectly innocent of killing unarmed and innocent Lebanese civilians who had nothing to do with Hezbollah?

Yeah, it really bothers me when you look like a floundering idiot who can't manage a keyboard or simple HTML tags.

I challenge you to show me where I haven't managed.

 

[DreadNiK]

From my reading of the article in question, it isn't at all clear that the BBC crew were the ones responsible for the boy standing near the bomb. I'm not really sure what this thread is trying to acheive, on either 'side'.

OOI:

"There is a hole in the roof with exactly the same profile as the shell itself, like when a cartoon character runs through a wall. The tailfin - complete with skull-and-crossbones marking - still lies on the roof next to the hole where it broke off. "

Does this paragraph strike anyone else as utterly irrelevant to anything?

 

[RyanRoberts]

That story also mentions an anti personnel mine. A photograph from the same area showed another reported 'mine' to be a lithium battery- 'Lithium Battery' was clearly written on the object in Hebrew.

We will probably also see reports of Hezbollah IEDs being reported as unexploded Israeli ordinance, especially if they kill anyone.

 

[casebro]

Speaking of Hizbollah ezaggeration, does that look like a 1,000# bomb to you? Looks like about #250 to me. A 1,000# bomb would level a city. A 'smart' 250 pounder would be a good 'surgical instrument'. I'm no militaria expert, but I doubet that the Isreali's even dropped any 1,000 pounders that weren't meant to penetrate bunkers. And that looks like a typical HE bomb to me.

 

[DreadNiK]

That story also mentions an anti personnel mine. A photograph from the same area showed another reported 'mine' to be a lithium battery- 'Lithium Battery' was clearly written on the object in Hebrew.

Now that is a more clear-cut case of biased (or, if you prefer, shockingly deceitful) reporting.

Speaking of Hizbollah ezaggeration, does that look like a 1,000# bomb to you? Looks like about #250 to me. A 1,000# bomb would level a city. A 'smart' 250 pounder would be a good 'surgical instrument'. I'm no militaria expert, but I doubet that the Isreali's even dropped any 1,000 pounders that weren't meant to penetrate bunkers. And that looks like a typical HE bomb to me.

Well I'm no militaria expert either, and your point sounds plausible, except for the 'level a city' bit...was that hyperbole?

 

[BPSCG]

Well I'm no militaria expert either, and your point sounds plausible, except for the 'level a city' bit...was that hyperbole?

IIRC, they dropped two 500 pound STFU's on Zarqawi. Made his building go poof into many small pieces, but didn't level any city.

 

[Mephisto]

Speaking of Hizbollah ezaggeration, does that look like a 1,000# bomb to you? Looks like about #250 to me. A 1,000# bomb would level a city. A 'smart' 250 pounder would be a good 'surgical instrument'. I'm no militaria expert, but I doubet that the Isreali's even dropped any 1,000 pounders that weren't meant to penetrate bunkers. And that looks like a typical HE bomb to me.

Yeah, they were just exaggerating - it was probably just a 250 pound high explosive rocket.

 

[Mephisto]

That story also mentions an anti personnel mine. A photograph from the same area showed another reported 'mine' to be a lithium battery- 'Lithium Battery' was clearly written on the object in Hebrew.

We will probably also see reports of Hezbollah IEDs being reported as unexploded Israeli ordinance, especially if they kill anyone.

Are you saying that Hezbollah will be using components from unexploded Israeli ordnance for IEDs or that Hezbollah will take advantage of the fact that there IS unexploded Israeli ordnance to blame IEDs they'll use in Lebanon on unexploded Israeli ordnance? Please keep in mind that, in spite of what you've read, I DO see Hezbollah as a fanatical terrorist organization that wouldn't hesitate to stoop to any action.

 

[RyanRoberts]

will take advantage of fact that there IS unexploded Israeli ordnance to blame IEDs they'll use in Lebanon on unexploded Israeli ordnance?

Yes, that's exactly it. Though its quite probable that Israeli unexploded ordinance will kill, I doubt the willingness of the media and NGOs when it comes to investigating causes.

 

[Katana]

That story also mentions an anti personnel mine. A photograph from the same area showed another reported 'mine' to be a lithium battery- 'Lithium Battery' was clearly written on the object in Hebrew.

Where was that? I went back to look because I couldn't believe that I would have missed that. I found a picture showing an Israeli battery, but the caption labeled it as such. Perhaps I looked in the wrong place.

 

[Mephisto]

Pretty miniscule compliment to be compared favorably with demon. Kinda like saying, "You don't sweat nearly as much as most of the other fat girls I've dated..."

Aim higher.

Well, I'm sure you just endeared yourself to all the ladies here.

Actually, demon and I are kindred spirits sent to earth to cajole and deceive mankind into wreaking havoc upon all humanity. He has been assigned to the UK and my job is to conquer America. We are currently working on an evil army of strawmen who will poison your wells thereby controlling your media and making you all take oaths to worship the dark gods.

S.T.R.A.W. (Society for Truth, Righteousness And Dubya) will endeavor to unite non-believers everywhere in the belief that OUR form of government and OUR religion is better than everyone else's.

 

[WildCat]

Politics aside, who put the unexploded rocket in the Lebanese neighborhood?

It's a bomb, and if it makes you feel any better it was meant to explode on impact and dropped there because it was believed peace-loving Hezbollah terrorists were using the place.

 

[Mephisto]

Yes, that's exactly it. Though its quite probable that Israeli unexploded ordinance will kill, I doubt the willingness of the media and NGOs when it comes to investigating causes.

But wouldn't there be a noticable difference in an explosion (no matter if the components were labeled in Hebrew) on a well-traveled road and an explosion in previously unsearched ruins?

One would obviously be an IED, the other, a bad over-sight. As fanatical as I believe Hezbollah really is, I'm not sure they're stupid enough to target Lebanese civilians. They go to extraordinary measures to be seen as "the good guys," among the countries they use as hosts.

Still, all is fair in love and war - and this war is ever-evolving . . .

 

[RyanRoberts]

I found a picture showing an Israeli battery, but the caption labeled it as such. Perhaps I looked in the wrong place.

They stealth edited the caption after recieving a complaint.

Link

 

[Mephisto]

It's a bomb, and if it makes you feel any better it was meant to explode on impact and dropped there because it was believed peace-loving Hezbollah terrorists were using the place.

So, back to square one.

Teacher: Alright, I want you to tell me what happened here.

Student #1: He did it first!

Student #2: No, HE did it first!

Student #1: No, I didn't you started it!

Student #2: Well I was here before you and you came along and made trouble!

Student #1: . . . . . . . . .

 

[Katana]

They stealth edited the caption after recieving a complaint.

Link

Ah, ha. Disappointing coming from the BBC.

Thanks.

 

[Mephisto]

Talking about educating kids about the arms trade...

http://www.markthomasinfo.com/nsarticles/default.asp?id=5

Heheh . . . now we know how Hutch spent those carefree days as a kid.

ARE YOU OUT THERE, HUTCH?

 

[Mycroft]

Sure that's all true and the BBC photographer showed extremely bad judgement, but had the ordnance not been there to begin with he wouldn't have been allowed his lapse.

The topic of if the war should have happened or not is a different topic. It's certainly worthy of discussion, but a separate discussion.

Besides, out of all the idiotic things that have been done to civilians on BOTH sides of this stupid conflict, THIS stands out as worthy of comment?

Yes, very much so. The press is an intigral part of what shapes our views, so isn't it disturbing to see photographs casually staged? Isn't it disturbing to learn how blasé this photographer is about the practice? Isn’t even more disturbing how casually he’s willing to place a child in danger to stage this photograph? Isn’t it disturbing that it’s a mainstream reporter and not Hezbollah that’s producing this propaganda?

Do you think that may have implications beyond the Israeli/Arab conflict?