Loose Change - Part IV

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T.A.M. said:
and here is a thread over at LC that makes you realize just how "Lost in it" these guys are...

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These guys are actually contemplating what they will do when they get Bush and Cheney impeached...lol

uh huh...might wanna leave that fight in your will...not in your life time Troofer.
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For the benefit of those of us who've been banished from LC, can you summarize or provide a few quotes, pretty please?
 
apathoid said:
For the benefit of those of us who've been banished from LC, can you summarize or provide a few quotes, pretty please?
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This is a really interesting issue you brought up, and a necessary one. We WILL have to deal with it when the time comes. A horrifying thought is that we might have to take up arms AFTER the fall of the U.S. elite, not before, just so we won't have to concede our rights to the masters of the planet. But keep in mind though that whoever the mastermind of 9/11 and the NWO is, he/she/it/they will be held responsible as well, not just the visible players. But the real answer for now, I think, is vigilance/not ignorance.
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we shoudl use unipeak or soemthign to link there
 
Brainster said:
Okay, Aussies, it's time to start complaining! Here's the advertisement for THCA's coverage of that day. Loose Change comes in near the end. Perhaps the Naudets should be notified of this?
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HELL NO. No way. Not If I can help it.

Here's a note I sent through their enquiries page.

Here are other addresses:

Postal Address The History Channel
GPO Box 99
SYDNEY NSW 2001

Courier Address The History Channel
5 Thomas Holt Drive
Nth Ryde NSW 2113

Phone Number +6 12 9813 6000

Can any locals get the name of the program director? He or she needs a serious talking to.

Attention: Programming Director

I was shocked and dismayed to see that your September 11, 2006 schedule will apparently include the broadcast of the conspiracy video "Loose Change."

Nothing could be a worse commemoration of that horrible day than to show a video that directly mocks the victims while managing to get every single claim completely wrong. "Loose Change" is that bad. I know, because I have writtten a 148-page analysis of the video, in which I point out 81 errors of fact and 356 other flubs. You can view that document here: http://wwwlloosechangeguide.com

Perhaps the best characterization of "Loose Change" comes from Debra Burlingame, the sister of Chick Burlingame, the pilot of flight 77 who was murdered by the hijackers who attacked the Pentagon (an event which "Loose Change" claims did not happen): “The only thing they seem to have gotten right about the September 11 attacks was the date on which they occurred.”

If this sounds like an exaggeration, consider that the producer of Loose Change said in a recent interview, "We know there are errors in the documentary, and we’ve actually left them in there so that people discredit us and do the research for themselves...we left them in there so people will want to discredit us and go out and research the events yourself and come up with your own conclusions." http://smithmag.us/2006/08/10/korey-rowe-the-loose-cannon-of-911/

That's right, these "documentarians" admit to deliberately leaving erroneous material in their video!

I have compiled many of the horrible things the creators of Loose Change say about the September 11 attacks and its victims in a document called "Loose Change Creators Speak." It is available here: http://tinyurl.com/s8ouv I know that the first page alone will be quite an eye-opener to you, and hopefully will cause you to question the wisdom of airing this truly insulting and entirely inaccurate production.

I implore you to reconsider your decision to broadcast "Loose Change," which dishonors all the victims, living and dead, of September 11, 2001.

Please feel free to email me with any questions. No one knows this video better than I do... including its creators!

Sincerely,

Mark Roberts
New York City
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defaultdotxbe said:
we shoudl use unipeak or soemthign to link there
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Wolverines! (Gratuitous Red Dawn reference).

Here's another quote from the starter of the thread:

Let's say we got Bush and Cheney and all of them indicted for treason for allowing or making the 911 attacks happen, and they leak on their bosses and their bosses leak on their bosses, etc etc and the entire corrupt system falls...what do we do next? This is a question most truthers don't confront.
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They actually think the whole "system" is going to fail, not just a simple impeachment process (in their "best-case" scenario), resulting in either Speaker Hastert or Speaker Pelosi being installed as President. It was the big corporations who were really behind Bush and Cheney in ordering 9-11, and so the whole capitalistic system is going to collapse, man.

<dylanaverymode>And fortunately those who exposed 9-11 are going to be put in charge. Meanwhile, pass the bong, I think I'll have another toke while I figure out who should be Secretary of State. My inclination is Bermas, because he can lie to people without blinking an eye.</dylanaverymode>
 
Gravy said:
HELL NO. No way. Not If I can help it.

Here's a note I sent through their enquiries page.

Here are other addresses:

Postal Address The History Channel
GPO Box 99
SYDNEY NSW 2001

Courier Address The History Channel
5 Thomas Holt Drive
Nth Ryde NSW 2113

Phone Number +6 12 9813 6000

Can any locals get the name of the program director? He or she needs a serious talking to.
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If I get a chance on Monday I'll give them a call.
 
Here's my little contribution to the history channel, through the enquiries page:

It has come to my attention that the History Channel intends to commemorate the 5th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks with several specials on the subject. This is all fine and dandy since I do not believe that the event should ever be forgotten.

I can even understand that you need to show diverging opinions on what happened.

What does, however, piss me off, is the fact that you intend to show Loose Change, a video of so low journalistic value that it makes my toes curl.

When the "documentarists", and I use that term VERY loosely in this connection, doesn't get wrong, they mock. They are pissing on not only the good reputation of journalists and documentarists everywhere, but their tabloid approach to a very serious subject are equal to pissing on a lot of good peoples graves.

For instance, did you know that these morons believe that "people are secondary" ? or that the entire FDNY were in on the attacks?
Or how about the fact that they stole a lot of material from the Naudet Brothers, material filmed under the threat of great personal danger ?

You, sirs, are giving these idiots a platform to not only degrade the sacrifices of a lot of brave people, you are also actively making sure that those of us whom actually DOES give a flying **** about standards in the journalistic realm are being saddled with the same reputation as those low-flying vultures from the tabloid industries.

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Film and Television editor/director/writer.
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Gravy said:
HELL NO. No way. Not If I can help it.

Here's a note I sent through their enquiries page.
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Here's mine--hitting on different points and hammering home that Korey Rowe quote, which is indeed one of the best arguments against the film:

I am disturbed and disgusted to learn that you are planning on airing the mockumentary "Loose Change" on September 11, 2006. This program contains outright mockery of the victims of 9-11, interspersed with lies, exaggerations and myths. It has been debunked by many people, including Popular Mechanics, Mark Roberts, Mark Iradian, the Screw Loose Change blog and others.

It is not a documentary. When confronted with the dozens of errors in the film, one of the producers claimed that they had intentionally left a bunch of mistakes in the film to encourage people to debunk and learn for themselves. You can read the article here yourself:

http://smithmag.us/2006/08/10/korey-rowe-the-loose-cannon-of-911/

In addition, you may not be aware that much of the footage in this mockumentary is copyrighted by other parties. It is the subject of litigation between the Naudet Brothers and Louder Than Words, the Loose Change producers.

In short, airing this woefully inadequate film is a disservice to your viewers and may prove to be a disservice to the shareholders as well. I hope you will reconsider.
 
T.A.M. said:
and here is a thread over at LC that makes you realize just how "Lost in it" these guys are...

LC Thread

These guys are actually contemplating what they will do when they get Bush and Cheney impeached...lol
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Wakingupamy said:
This is a really interesting issue you brought up, and a necessary one. We WILL have to deal with it when the time comes. A horrifying thought is that we might have to take up arms AFTER the fall of the U.S. elite, not before, just so we won't have to concede our rights to the masters of the planet.
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Too many sci-fi novels and movies for these guys.

And this is coming from a sci-fi fan!
 
Here is my enquiry letter sent to History Channel Australia Website...

Attention Director of Programming:

It has come to my attention that your channel is airing a number of 9/11 documentaries to commemorate the 5th Anniversary of that horrible and tragic event. I want to commend you on this, however, there is one documentary, which I am dismayed to see you are broadcasting...the slanderous documentary "Loose Change".

This documentary, which I suggest it is "Loosely" called, is not only a film which belittles and mocks the dead, in particular those who died on United Airlines Flight 93, but also is full of factual errors, as self admitted by the films producer, Mr. Korey Rowe. I understand, and support, your station's proactive effort to show all sides of the 9/11 attacks, but for the sake of those who will be mourning a loved one or friend that day, please reconsider showing the film "Loose Change".

Thank you

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Keep up the fight...
 
Gravy said:
Here's a note I sent
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Thank you. I'd started to write a frothing, angry, venomous fireball to the powers that be at the Australian offices of THC, but thought better at the last moment. I certainly hope some good comes of your note. :mad:
 
It is funny, because I am of two minds...

for the 9/11 anniversary, I think it is Abhorant to show LC. However, I want LC to get out there, in the sense that I want the GP to see it, but to see it for what a pile of crap it is. that is why it would be nice to get SLC film shown after it...ya, not likely gonna happen, unfortunately...
 
T.A.M. said:
It is funny, because I am of two minds...

for the 9/11 anniversary, I think it is Abhorant to show LC. However, I want LC to get out there, in the sense that I want the GP to see it, but to see it for what a pile of crap it is. that is why it would be nice to get SLC film shown after it...ya, not likely gonna happen, unfortunately...
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That's just it. The show is going to have the reputation of "This History Channel" behind it, so people that see the show aren't going to question it. Then all these myths will be perpetuated. It's exactly like "JFK," "What the Bleep Do We Know" or "The Privledged Planet." Slick marketing presentations and fake credentials dupe otherwise sensible people into believing nonsense.

I've known two very intelligent people who watched "Loose Change" and thought, "Hey. There might be something to all this." I managed to talk one of them completely out of it, and the other looked into things a bit more himself. We can't count on that happening for everyone.
 
Here's mine, also sent via the enquiries page:

Dear Sir or Madam:

I have just seen an advertisement for your scheduled programming for September 11, 2006 and am utterly appalled at the inclusion of the crackpot conspiracy "mockumentary" Loose Change in the lineup.

Not only is this footage grossly dishonest, full of hundreds of lies and misrepresentations, quote mining, unfounded and unwarranted derision and mocking of the victims and their families, and devoid of a single piece of single piece of independent research conducted by its creators, it is also currently the subject matter of copyright infringement litigation.

Moreover, the creators of Loose Change and its supporters are on the record mocking and deriding the victims and their families on numerous occasions. They treat the deaths of nearly 3000 people by acts of terrorism as a joke, and are linked to some very dubious groups including Holocaust deniers, Jew haters, and the like.

I urge you to examine the truth behind the facade of this pathetic hit piece called Loose Change and its creators and come to the only proper decision, which is to ensure that this ugliness is not included in your September 11 programming, so as not to sully your reputation by broadcasting such garbage and, more importantly, to avoid causing unnecessary additional pain, suffering, and angst to the surviving family and friends of the innocent civilians, flight crews, firefighters, and police officers who died that day, and to avoid subjecting them further to the undeserved derision that is heaped upon them by the creators of Loose Change.

These people actively and knowingly participate in mocking the victims and their family members, not only in the wholly fictional video, but have done so repeatedly in other internet released videos. Their behaviour is truly sickening. One need only watch them and their supporters quite literally laughing out loud at people like Mark Bingham and his mother, Alice Hogland; one need only watch them and their supporters insinuating that Betty Ong and Madeline Sweeney (flight attendants) were lying or acting (one too calmly and the other too hysterically); one need only listen to them and their supporters make fun of the numerous passengers on the doomed flights and insinuate that they and their family members are all liars; one need only read the transcript of the agonizing telephone call from the young Ms. Wainio to her mother and then watch these creeps call Ms. Wainio and her anguished mother liars; one need only see these opportunists accuse the parents of 11 year old Bernard Brown of "sending him to die" and insinuating that they did so purposely because they were "in on" the conspiracy; to realize the kind of people the Loose Changers are.

I implore you, in the name of all that is decent, to investigate this yourself and come to the conclusion that the History Channel is no place for such unadulterated garbage. It is unworthy of the standards for which the History Channel is known and it would be wholly improper for the History Channel to spread its venom on your airwaves.

There is ample evidence of all that I have written above readily available to you, and I strongly recommend that you start here: http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html and here:
http://911myths.com/LooseChangeCreatorsSpeak.pdf


Yours truly,
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Darn, it just occurred to me belatedly so I am going to send them another email to say that if they really think that they should show a LC video, they should show the superior SLC annotated version instead.
 
Gravy:

Nothing could be a worse commemoration of that horrible day than to show a video that directly mocks the victims while managing to get every single claim completely wrong. "Loose Change" is that bad. I know, because I have writtten a 148-page analysis of the video, in which I point out 81 errors of fact and 356 other flubs. You can view that document here: http://wwwlloosechangeguide.com
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You seem to have missed out a stop in between www and loosechangeguide. Hopefully they will be smart enough to figure it out.
 
http://www.historychannel.com.au/feedback.aspx

My contribution:
To the Programming Director(s):

Unless you intend to follow it with the thorough point-by-point savaging it deserves, I implore you to reconsider your decision to air "Loose Change" during your 9/11 Commemoration programming. This travesty of journalism makes a mockery of the people who lost their lives that day.

It is amazing how easily essentially every claim and insinuation in this video can be debunked. There are a lot of knowledgeable people who have spent a great deal of time over the past several months tirelessly addressing the issues raised by people who have seen this video and other self-appointed members of the 9/11 Truth Movement. I'm sure you will be hearing from quite a few of them, and I hope you take their concerns seriously. Many of us take the irresponsible and immature actions of the Louder Than Words crew and other 9/11 Truthers very personally.

I don't think you would air a documentary about the Holocaust presented by a Holocaust denier, at least not without balancing it with a harsh and thorough critique. Yet you have scheduled a documentary about 9/11 presented by a group of 9/11 deniers, apparently without plans to air an in-depth analysis of the video and its claims. This strikes me as a deeply cynical decision to cash in on controversy.

Sincerely,
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