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Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

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anor277 said:
Magnesium will also burn and quite intensely, and you can even ignite it with a match. Someone once told me that the old VW engines had magnesium engine casings and disastrous results ensued when someone tried to weld them.
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Yep. Years ago, our evening bonfires in the LZ included the occasional VW case.
Don't try to put out magnesium with water.
 
Christophera said:
Mr. Peabody,

it is absolutely unreasonable to conside 2 towers going to the ground from plane impacts. I realize you are out to lunch. Wipe your face off and come back after the bell rings.
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Are you all right? Seriously. Is all this getting to you?

If you should feel well enough to continue, let's once again address your buildings-fell-in-the-wrong-order claim, which we had been discussing before you were suspended (not banned) here. Would you like to?

Also, what are your plans for presenting your various materials to one or more structural engineers?
 
Built To Demolish

Crazy Chainsaw said:
I just want to ask you a simple question, Christophera if you do not mind,
since I have personally tested devices similar to Dr. Jones's, and they could not survive mild impact on steel beams without going off, how will they survive the impact of the PLANES?
Controlled Demolition is not possible with unshielded thermite devices!
I could build new devices that would survive and I emailed Dr. Jones how to do it but they would not be able to make neat little cuts on beams because they have to go though so much shielding first.
Also they are hard to hide, as they do not fit in mail carts, and hard to put in place as they have to be precisely designed to fit on the beams and then bolted in place.
Also I still doubt if the shielding would hold and allow the device to be bolted to the beam and not go off when the plane impacted the top of the structure.
Plus how do you shield them against the burning aluminum at well over
2500c
So how was it done, do you have any answers for that?
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I have an entire web page of answers. But first let me say it is only certain there was thermite in the basement. The columns above were largely severed by cutting charges built into the floors. Not enough time and molten metal falling for significant amounts of thermite up high. Perhaps a little to cause tipping or some other effect.
 
Christophera said:
The columns above were largely severed by cutting charges built into the floors.
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Come on... Are you serious? Explosives were set in place in the floors of the WTC towers in the sixties, remained there for 30 years, and then got suddenly activated on 9/11?
 
I think far too much space has been dedicated to the crazed ramblings of this lunatic Christophera. This thread should be locked and Christophera should be locked up
 
Christophera said:
I have an entire web page of answers.
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Excellent. You'll have no trouble answering mine then. You may've missed this from a few pages back. Let me repeat myself.

Can you tell me how would you recognize steel core columns? What sets them apart from interior box columns and elevator guide rails and whatnot?

What is the property of interior box columns, which allows you to identify them as such?

What is the property of elevator guide rails, which allows you to identify them as such?

What is the property of FEMA-style steel core columns, which would allow you to identify them as such, if I showed them to you?

Do you expect any other type of steel columns on the Ground Zero site except for the exterior columns, internal box columns and guide rail columns? How would you recognize those?
 
rwguinn said:
The reason solids are so hard to ignite, and why they generally burn cooler than liquids (and gasses) given the same oxygen conditions is that it takes a lot of energy to get them to gaseous form so that they willburn.
Wood doesn't burn. The vapors do.
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Yes. Was there a point to this?
 
Christophera said:
I have an entire web page of answers. But first let me say it is only certain there was thermite in the basement. The columns above were largely severed by cutting charges built into the floors. Not enough time and molten metal falling for significant amounts of thermite up high. Perhaps a little to cause tipping or some other effect.
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You do no that is now impossible the energy that triggers thermite reactions, was too powerful in the crash, your web pages are utter BS. because you do not know what form of energy triggers thermite.
How Could you Dr. Jones also made the same critical mistake.
Your explosives would not survive especially not when the sonic load shock of the impact hit the basement, and was reflected back.
Your explosives would be triggered as soon as the plane hit the building, if they were attached to the beams, or built into any part of the building.
So why did your explosives wait when it was impossible for them not to be triggered in the impact?
Controlled Demolition using thermite, is now virtually impossible.
You need to come up with something else, or give it up.
 
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Christophera said:
I have an entire web page of answers. But first let me say it is only certain there was thermite in the basement. The columns above were largely severed by cutting charges built into the floors. Not enough time and molten metal falling for significant amounts of thermite up high. Perhaps a little to cause tipping or some other effect.
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You do no that is now impossible the energy that triggers thermite reactions, was too powerful in the crash, your web pages are uttter BS. because you do not know what form of energy triggers thermite.
How Could you Dr. Jones also made the same critical mistake.
Your explosives would not survive especially not when the sonic load shock of the impact hit the basement, and was reflected back.
 
Huntsman said:
Well, it's not out of the realm of possibility.

Aluminum will burn, for example. The M-113 Armored Personnel Carriers the military has are covered with 2" cast aluminum armor. I've seen one burn. Essentially, it's a rapid oxidation reaction. Rust is burning iron, and is actually what's used for those disposable "hand warmers" you can buy in a sporting goods stores.
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Well, I suppose if you consider any burning the same as oxydation, yeah. But I'm suddenly reminded of an episode of XL-5 where they shoot a missile on a planet and set it on fire, along with the string...
 
Does Christophera remind anyone of Baghdad Bob?

On steel core columns:
"There are no [steel column] infidels in [WTC core]. Never!"

"I triple guarantee you, there are no [steel cores] in [WTC]."

On the mutitude of diagrams showing steel core:
"The American press is all about lies! All they tell is lies, lies and more lies!"

On FEMA:
"I have detailed information about the situation...which completely proves that what they allege are illusions . . . They lie every day."

On the NIST report:
"I can assure you that those villains will recognize, will discover in appropriate time in the future how stupid they are and how they are pretending things which have never taken place."

When presented with a photo of the steel core:
"...they are nowhere (pause)...they are nowhere, really"

On the JREF ninjas:
"Whenever attack, they retreat. When pound them with [photos] and [my website], they retreat even deeper. But when stopped pounding, they [posted photos of the steel core] for propaganda purposes.''
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-Andrew
 
anor277 said:
Magnesium will also burn and quite intensely, and you can even ignite it with a match. Someone once told me that the old VW engines had magnesium engine casings and disastrous results ensued when someone tried to weld them.

I once took freshly deposited aluminum (approx. 200 mg) out of a metal vapour deposition reactor - without the aluminum oxide passivation (that coats normal aluminum) the flames were quite impressive.
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Okay, okay. I take it back. I was just seeing someone trying to set steel on fire and forgot about all the other metals. Guess that's what CTers do when they hear about "molten" metal, too! ;)
 
Ok Christophera, I confess I did it I blew up the towers and building 7, I built the thermite charges here in Kentucky then used my (teleporter) every Kentuckian has one, to transport the charges in place after the planes hit.
Only way they survive!
I did it because I have a fear of heights and tall buildings scare me, since the twin towers were a symbol of for tall building they are just the first to go.
One day all that will be left is single story houses nice safe single story houses.
All I need is enough aluminum, and Iron Oxide, and to buy enough 9 volt batteries to run the transporter on. Then all multi story buildings in the world will be gone.
I can confess it now, because you will never stop me, because I just bought rechargeable batteries and a recharger.
 
Is there anyone here who really thinks Christophera should be engaged in this? He's obviously a disturbed person, who should be getting help. It seems to me that engaging him in a debate is a little cruel. Why don't you just let this thread quietly die?
 
Cuddles said:
Baghdad Bob? I though he was called Comical Ali.
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He has a few nicknames. He's that kinda guy.

Al-Sahaf is probably most known for his daily press briefings in Baghdad during the 2003 Iraq War, where his lies, fantasies, and colourful description of his enemies reached meteoric heights as the war progressed and caused him to be nicknamed Baghdad Bob (in the style of "Hanoi Hannah" or "Seoul City Sue") by commentators in the United States and Comical Ali (an allusion to Chemical Ali, the nickname of former Iraqi Defence Minister Ali Hassan al-Majid) by commentators in the United Kingdom.

From wikipedia
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-Andrew
 
Christophera said:
biker dude,

I cannot imagine that an engineer would make such statements and the term plasma just doesn't apply here. You are fake.
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Really? The fact that you cannot imagine it makes it untrue? Attention everyone, the physical universe is limited to only that which Christophera can imagine. The accreditted engineering degrees I have earned from a major metropolitan university and the professional engineering licenses I have been granted by 4 states are therefore nullified.

Now that I have no qualifications whatsoever to make any statements at all about structures, what evidence would you accept that would nullify your claim?
 
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