Loose Change - Part IV

[realitybites]

Assume two pilots in the cockpit (redundancy), and three muscle outside (except of course for Flight 93, where the hijackers were short one man). All were trained in hand-to-hand combat in close quarters.

Yeah, but no way they coulda' stood up to my Samsonite carry-on with special pull out handle bar that doubles as a terrorist slayer.

Woulda' been nice to finally get some use out of that feature, eh Jimmy?

 

[Regnad Kcin]

...this video has spread more rapidly than anything else and people have slammed it before even watching it- people are scared of what they've heard about the video and the hysteria that accompanies it, you will also notice as you look deeper the effect it has had on even the most hardened skeptics

Well, the effect it had on this "hardened skeptic" (please) was to reevaluate my apparently very conservative estimate of how many people there are in the world who need help tying their shoelaces.

 

[60hzxtl]

Assume two pilots in the cockpit (redundancy), and three muscle outside (except of course for Flight 93, where the hijackers were short one man). All were trained in hand-to-hand combat in close quarters.

I don't care if the pilots were all trained karate masters - their first responsibility is to their passengers.

You can't park the plane and have a fist fight.

If the pilots over powered the hijackers, and passengers were killed, and the planes landed safely, the pilots would be held responsible for those deaths, even if more passengers lived than died.

Maybe the loosers don't get the idea of responsibility - you need a job to get the idea.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Hey, he is using the link I sent him

w00t!
Thanks, Mark. This is a really good documentary, folks. It demonstrates exactly why distracting ourselves from the threat of Islamic terrorism (by shifting the blame, for instance) is a perilous game.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6162397493278181614&q=obsession

 

[Grundar]

I don't care if the pilots were all trained karate masters - their first responsibility is to their passengers.

You can't park the plane and have a fist fight.

If the pilots over powered the hijackers, and passengers were killed, and the planes landed safely, the pilots would be held responsible for those deaths, even if more passengers lived than died.

Maybe the loosers don't get the idea of responsibility - you need a job to get the idea.

I think He was talking about the hijackers.

/Hans

 

[Hutch]

I wish I can post there, but they will lynch me at the spot.

Yes, but it would be a glorious death!

I do know that the United States had their hand involved when Osama Bin Laden was against the soviets. It was mainly weapons and funding through Pakistani intel. Not sure if it was the United States that supported it, or under the CIA in secret.

There is a marvelous book out there called "Charlie Wilson's War" about the Texas Congressman and how he helped haul us in the Afghan war against the Soviets. Very interesting reading, IMHO.

Either way, Chuck Sheen is an ignorant bastard.

Of that, there can be no doubt. I have already called me chuck(Minister of Truth)sheen for his blatant editing of posts over there. I'd call him Mr. Goebbels but he'd ban me (once somebdy explained to him who Goebbels is)

 

[MarkyX]

Good news guys..

9/11 Deniers Speak is going to be on Google Video quite soon.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

I do know that the United States had their hand involved when Osama Bin Laden was against the soviets. It was mainly weapons and funding through Pakistani intel. Not sure if it was the United States that supported it, or under the CIA in secret.

IIRC the US govt only aided afghani natives (IE taliban) against the soviets, not foreigners like (saudi arabian) OBL

of course the taliban could have in turn handed US aid to OBL, but thats beside the point



was anyone complaining during the cold war about us fighting our old (WW2) ally the USSR? the enemy of my enemy is my freind, no?

"If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons."
-Winston Churchill

 

[Belz...]

I've just been rading Chipmunk Stew's thread on LC about Islamic Terrorism, and the responses from the CT nuts are starting to convince me that they hold on to their beliefs partly because they are scared of the unknown enemy. They try to talk themselves into believing that Islamic extremists are merely products of US foreign policy.

I see he's been suspended.

Of course, Chipmunk didn't help his cause by using some rather harsh words in regards to muslims. "hate speech", as they've called it.

On the other hand, the clearly anti-semitic tones of some parts of their site seems to be ignored, no ?

 

[Belz...]

thread on LC

Oh, my. JohndoeX continues to lay his golden nuggets:

Whats a Kuffar?

It is the arabic word for someone who is not a muslim.

I thought that was infadel?

It would be if arabs spoke English.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

I'm sorry, Chuck, I have to point this out again because it's extremely distracting to me, and I'm having a hard time really reading your posts. I find your sig, with Condi Rice in blackface, very offensive.

Too bad. I'm not the artist and I can't change it. Apparently it's illustrating the fact that Condi like Powell is disenfranchising black people by supporting corruption. Black people have a horrible history of opression and she should learn how to sanctify the importance of that struggle and lesson, not create new struggles for people around the world. People need to spread knowledge, love and peace not ignorance.

am i reading chucky wrong or is he saying that because powell and rice are black they shoudl liberal CT wackos like mckinney? how is that not racist?

 

[MarkyX]

I wonder if Sheen thinks Bill Cosby and Morgan Freeman are also part of the "problem"

If Martin Luther King Jr Speech, a highly respected individual among his peers, were around, he would choke at the state of black community today.

Again, ignorant jackass.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

i think internet is on vacation, all my usual sites are dead, no discussion going on

i spent the last 20 minutes on digg burying stories on loose change, lol

 

[T.A.M.]

I think the fact that most of the LC guys left the SLC and SLC forum leave little to be said, but to comment on new findings, as there are few to have the old arguments with, and noone likes preaching to the choir.

 

[T.A.M.]

I expect we'll get some new stuff now though. The Commission's admission that they suspect lying from the FAA and Norad was big enough to get mentioned on CNN by Jack Mcafery (spelling). I am sure the LC guys are going hog wild over it, even though it leaves them in a pickle as too who the bad guys are.

 

[Brainster]

Markyx's New Video Getting Huge Exposure on Blogs

Hot Air's got it:

Watch all of this one, seriously. At least to the part where he accuses a father whose 11-year-old son died on Flight 77 of having had advance knowledge of the plot.

Little Green Footballs says:

Dylan Avery, the evil creep who made the 9/11 conspiracy film Loose Change, is caught on tape laughing at the heroes of Flight 93, and suggesting that the father of an 11-year old boy who died on 9/11 was in on the “plot:” “Loose Change” director chuckles over Flight 93.

These are among the biggest blogs in the country. I don't know, but it's possible that James had something to do with this getting picked up at Hot Air.

Check out some of the comments on those blogs as well; If I were Dylan Avery, I wouldn't want to meet any of the people who've seen this film. To a certain extent we're callous about this stuff because we're used to these dopes making jokes about the passengers. Don't get me wrong, that's the whole reason I agreed when James approached me about doing SLC. But you know how it is; you go nuclear the first time and after that it's just an annoyance. These folks have just gone nuclear.

BTW, these blogs are conservative/Republican oriented, so you may see some negative comments about liberals, because the assumption is that these guys must be liberal. We know better--they're nutbars of various political persuasions. Reynolds seems to be a legit conservative, as does Stephen Jones. Fetzer's clearly a liberal. Alex Jones is probably a libertarian. So it does run the gamut.

Kudos to Markyx and to Gravy, whose "Loose Change Creators Speak" was the source for much of this film. Great job, guys!

 

[T.A.M.]

JohndoeX is a godamn creep. He is freakin powerfilled over there now, acting like he is the dictator of the LC skeptic forum.

Funny thing is, appart from flying related questions, I don't think he has ever offered any evidence or proof on any aspect of 9/11.

He is a twit

 

[gumboot]

IIRC the US govt only aided afghani natives (IE taliban) against the soviets, not foreigners like (saudi arabian) OBL

of course the taliban could have in turn handed US aid to OBL, but thats beside the point

Not entirely... the Taliban didn't turn up until 1996, well after the Soviets withdrew and CIA support ended.

The CIA and MI6 involvement was channelled through the ISI, but Operation Cyclone involved the training of tens of thousands of Islamic Radicals in the USA and Pakistan.

Bear in mind that at this stage OBL and his Mijahedeen were not terrorists. They had only fought against the Soviet Army, not civilians.

It is also good to point out that the US strategy was to drag the USSR into a Vietnam-like war. They figured that the oppressive communist regime would not survive such a war (unlike America's free democratic society). In particular they hoped it would weaken the USSR's grip on eastern Europe. You have to think back to the time period. Nuclear War was a high probability, and if the Cold War went on long enough, some felt it was inevitable. What's the sin of helping train a few fundi Islamic fighters (who it was considered posed no threat to the USA) if it means removing the thread of global Nuclear War?

And did the strategy work? Well the last Soviet troops withdrew in defeat from Afghanistan in February 1989. The following November the Berlin Wall was torn down...

-Andrew

 

[chipmunk stew]

I see he's been suspended.

Of course, Chipmunk didn't help his cause by using some rather harsh words in regards to muslims. "hate speech", as they've called it.

On the other hand, the clearly anti-semitic tones of some parts of their site seems to be ignored, no ?

Yeah, about that post:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=9443&view=findpost&p=6470604
The point I was trying to make (badly, apparently) would have been better stated: "You must think Arabs are a bunch of brown desert monkeys incapable of having their own agenda, who have to be the puppets of the evil white geniuses." (I also get this feeling when people talk about how absurd it is that a group of "Arab cave-dwellers" could have pulled off the 9/11 attacks.)

It was in response to the idea that Islamic terrorism is entirely the brainchild of Western intelligence, and that the radical Muslims involved are mere pawns, victims of the evil [insert favorite group of puppetmasters here] just like the rest of us. The reality, as most of us here recognize, is not nearly so one-sided, and the radical Islamist groups clearly used the West at least as much as the West used them.

I apologize for the use of the phrase.

edit: Would someone kindly post this over in that thread?

 

[T.A.M.]

Here is a quote from a commenter at "Hot Air" after watching MarkyX's film:

"Is it wrong to feel hate?

I’m sitting here literally shaking, my eyes welling up with tears, because I am so full of hate right now.

I wish I hadn’t listened to that.

God help me, but I hate them. I. Hate. These. People.

I have more respect for the terrorists than I do for people like this. I really do.

An open challenge to these creatures: I will meet any of you, any time, any place. I’m a whopping 5′8″ tall and closer to 40 than 30. I won’t even bring a box cutter with me. In fact, you can bring one. Bring two.

And we’ll see if you can back up that evil, abhorrent ******** you’re spewing.

But be warned: I’m going to find that father, you know, the one you think sent his son to his death while he played golf … he’s going to come and watch. We may pick up Lisa Beamer and Ted Olson on the way. They’ll bring lawn chairs. Some popcorn. A video camera.

And we’ll talk. Just you and I. We’ll talk about how tough you are, about how brave and courageous you would have been if it had been your plane, your child’s plane.

Let’s talk, shall we, tough guys?"


I'd say you hit the Mark, MarkyX...I think the intesity level has gone up a few notches....