Evidence that Bush Sr hates atheists.

[roger]

Sorry to spam the thread like this, but here's another interview with shrub: [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif]
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/05/20060507-2.html

The President's job is never to promote a religion. The great thing about America -- and Germany, for that matter -- is that you should be able to worship freely. I like to tell people, you're equally American whether you're a Jew, Muslim, Christian, or Atheist -- you're equally all Americans -- and that if we ever lose that, we begin to look like the Taliban

Kind of interesting. I'd guess he's clearly aware of the Bush quote, and trying to make a different message.
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[roger]

First I hear of this, where did you get that info from?

I provided the link. The Washington Monthly.

edit: Oh, if it's not clear, I meant Kevin Drum and Andrew Sabl were the reporters who looked into it.

 

[Grammatron]

I provided the link. The Washington Monthly.

I think you misread it:

I've now exchanged several emails with Sherman, who says he didn't tape this exchange, which happened during a media scrum at O'Hare airport in Chicago. However, he also confirms that no one else reported Bush's remarks. It's just him.

Not quite the same as no one else heard it but him and Bush.

 

[Elind]

The guys here can't believe the father of their hero would admit to the agenda in such a baldfaced fashion.

Which guys is that?

 

[ImaginalDisc]

How dare I ask for evidence?

*snip*

I have not yet read the PDFs. . .

If you want evidence, read.

 

[BPSCG]

If you want evidence, read.

Okay, done.

Now, where do we find proof?

 

[ImaginalDisc]

Okay, done.

Now, where do we find proof?

I wasn't trying to involved in this fiasco, I was pointing out the absurdity of demanding evidence, and then refusing to read something.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Now, where do we find proof?

In the field of mathematics.

 

[fishbob]

Okay, done.

Now, where do we find proof?

It is right there on the label, right on the front of the bottle.

 

[Elind]

 

[Grammatron]

If you want evidence, read.

I am dissapointed you missed the entire context of that post.

 

[ImaginalDisc]

I am dissapointed you missed the entire context of that post.

You mean the context in which you rushed to reply to other people's posts before reading pertinent information? Their posts ain't goin' anywhere. T'ain't no rush.

 

[roger]

I think you misread it:



Not quite the same as no one else heard it but him and Bush.

My apologies - I totally missed the point of your question. I didn't mean to give you a nonreactive answer.

Anyway, I drew my conclusion from this part:

UPDATE: Andrew Sabl emails to say that he tried to fact check this quote a year ago and was unable to verify it. Apparently nobody but Sherman heard Bush say this, and although Sherman says he has a tape of conversation he's never released it.

(my emphasis added).


Looking at it again, "apparently", etc., perhaps this is just a conclusion that the reporter drew from available facts, given that no independent corrobaration could be found. Good catch!

 

[BPSCG]

I wasn't trying to involved in this fiasco,

You already are involved. This is a tar baby...

 

[ImaginalDisc]

You already are involved. This is a tar baby...

In that case, please don't throw me into that there briar patch.

 

[hgc]

 

[Crossbow]

Bush, Sr has not made any real effort to conceal his hatred and distrust of atheists.

Bush, Jr on the other hand, has been very careful to show how much he loves god without mentioning any particular sect (atheists or otherwise). This is about typical of what he has done by not doing what his father did except for being a Republican President.

 

[Grammatron]

You mean the context in which you rushed to reply to other people's posts before reading pertinent information? Their posts ain't goin' anywhere. T'ain't no rush.

This topic originated in a different thread where I questioned the validity of this. Hence my response to the two posters prior to the reading of Sherman's website.

 

[ImaginalDisc]

This topic originated in a different thread where I questioned the validity of this. Hence my response to the two posters prior to the reading of Sherman's website.

And you didn't make that clear here:

How dare I ask for evidence? Why if Bush -- either one -- is involved it should be assumed by default that the worst possible scenario is true! And we, as skeptics, should know!

You people are pathetic.

I have not yet read the PDFs, but I will now just wanted to respond to yours and jj's posts which were certainly aimed at me.

If you meant to make a snarky comment involving a disagreement you're having with other posters in another thread, at least put a link to that other thread.

Does every thread in Politics need to involve baggage and bicking from previous threads?

Forget I asked.

 

[Grammatron]

And you didn't make that clear here:

I am sure it was clear to them, but I clarified it now.

If you meant to make a snarky comment involving a disagreement you're having with other posters in another thread, at least put a link to that other thread.

Does every thread in Politics need to involve baggage and bicking from previous threads?

Forget I asked.

It might be childish but "they said it first" and I am so tired of reverse idiocy on this forum. If I question something involving Bush and I don't oppose Bush I am somehow automaticly ignorant.