The Gospel

Ok Kathy, so riddle me this:
Why did god intervene in your life? What makes you so special out of the billions of people in need of help on this Earth? Are you more deserving than the little children caught in the Iraqi conflict? How about those miners in West Virginia? The folks on those planes, the towers, and the pentagon on 9/11? Or the poor guy I saw on my way to work yesterday, holding a sign saying “hungry, please help”? What kind of god says, “Eh, screw ‘em; but Kathy’s my girl, I’ll help her out”?.

You aren’t giving credit where credit is due. You helped yourself, and I’m sure you had friends and family who helped and supported you. You, however, are deluding yourself into believing that some supernatural miracle is responsible for your improved situation in life.

Kinda reminds me of an old Anthax lyric about Jim Baker (the PTL dude, emphasis mine): “If God talks to YOU, there’s no hope”.

The gospel’s not offensive, your self-righteousness is.
I'm not self righteous. It is the power of God that set me free from the bondage of addiction and other stuff. I really don't like people getting the wrong impression that I'm more deserving than others. That is not at all correct. I am just thankful for the miracle of salvation. I really don't know all the why's that God just didn't let me die when I clearly wanted to?
I wasn't seeing things until I asked Him to show me what He saw I was blinded by my own sin. This is the miracle of salvation, really being able to come to a place in our hearts where we cry out to God in repentance. I still get sad remembering some of the stupid things I did in the past, but at least I am seeing it right. It's when we aren't able to see we our all in need of His forgiveness that people are in trouble.
I have just tried to share from my own painful experience that Jesus really does save us. Everyone of us can have this free gift of salvation if we want it, all we need to do is ask.
 
I'm not self righteous.
You are so deluded and self-righteous that it's not even funny. I'm sure those miners trapped in the ground were praying their hearts out. Too bad god didn't notice them. I'm sure the people trapped on the planes that went into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon were praying for salvation. Too bad they were'nt important enough for god. Oh and those people down in New Orleans, prayed.

I just don't understand people like you. You'll never feel true compassion for people because you think their misfortune is their fault because they haven't accepted Jeebus.

So why haven't you answered my proof that you want people dead and suffering so they'll either come to faith or be punished for not having faith? Because it's true and you can't contest it. Kathy, I think you need to get out of your own little neck of the woods, travel, see how other people live, experience other cultures -- then maybe you'll understand that people are people no matter what they believe and that they are worthy of compassion.

Oh what hell, I'm kidding myself. You'll never stop judging people. You'll never leave your little self-important, self-centered little world and join the human race.
 
I'm not self righteous. It is the power of God that set me free from the bondage of addiction and other stuff.

Tell us about the "other stuff."

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It is the power of God that set me free from the bondage of addiction and other stuff.

So if Narconin get's me free of addiction, then L. Ron Hubbard is my messiah.
Yikes!
Are you suggesting I get addicted to drugs really badly so that God can scare the Jesus in me?

I really don't like people getting the wrong impression that I'm more deserving than others.

Because that would make you look bad. God forbid you LOOK BAD on this forum.

I wasn't seeing things until I asked Him to show me what He saw I was blinded by my own sin.

Is there a period missing here? Was it hard to figure out that drug addiction was bad and messing up your life? Not to trivialize drug addiction and the difficulties of recovery, but a dose of reality and a strong support network seem to help. If you ascribe God to the realization of your chemical dependence and need to fix your life, hey, use whatever works!

This is the miracle of salvation, really being able to come to a place in our hearts where we cry out to God in repentance.

Miracle? Life sucks so bad that we realize we need God? Hey, I eat food and breath air. Those things come from God, so duh, we need God. Not good enough, though. I need life to really really suck before I truly get it. Thanks.

I still get sad remembering some of the stupid things I did in the past, but at least I am seeing it right.

You mean you learned from your mistakes? You looked at your past behavior and made adjustments? Awesome concept.

It's when we aren't able to see we our all in need of His forgiveness that people are in trouble.

We don't need forgiveness to recover from drug addiction, do we? I thought forgiveness was for getting in to Heaven. I believe God forgives those that repent. I'm not a Christian, but I am forgiven!

I have just tried to share from my own painful experience that Jesus really does save us.

From drug addiction, or Hell? Or both? Now I get it. Crappy stuff in life is like crappy stuff in afterlife. I see the tendency to make that connection.

Hence, if life is good, you must be a good Christian. If not, God must not like you for some reason. Yikes.

Everyone of us can have this free gift of salvation if we want it, all we need to do is ask.

I've asked for a free pass for Heaven, for myself, but mainly, for a lot of other people. No voices, no glowing lights, no dreams. But hey, why assume he didn't hear? Maybe God will let me into Heaven. Maybe all of us in this forum.

"I pray to God that all the atheists in this forum go to Heaven, whether they believe in Jesus or not, because God can do anything. In Jesus name I pray, amen."
 
You just don't get it, Kathy.
IF god helped you and not all these other good folks, that's not a case of "the lord working in mysterious ways", that's a case of the lord working in STUPID ways!
You are the poster child for why people shouldn't believe in christianity, or at the very least your flavor of it.
 
You know, we really ought to give her credit. She's stuck around a lot longer than Billiefan2000, 1inChrist, or any of the other hyperreligious trolls we've had to endure.

Not that it's saying much...
 
You are so deluded and self-righteous that it's not even funny. I'm sure those miners trapped in the ground were praying their hearts out. Too bad god didn't notice them. I'm sure the people trapped on the planes that went into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon were praying for salvation. Too bad they were'nt important enough for god. Oh and those people down in New Orleans, prayed.

I just don't understand people like you. You'll never feel true compassion for people because you think their misfortune is their fault because they haven't accepted Jeebus.

So why haven't you answered my proof that you want people dead and suffering so they'll either come to faith or be punished for not having faith? Because it's true and you can't contest it. Kathy, I think you need to get out of your own little neck of the woods, travel, see how other people live, experience other cultures -- then maybe you'll understand that people are people no matter what they believe and that they are worthy of compassion.

Oh what hell, I'm kidding myself. You'll never stop judging people. You'll never leave your little self-important, self-centered little world and join the human race.

Of course she won't. Joining the Human Race would require compassion. It would mandate courage. I would demand an active intellect, and a desire to use it to further the greater good, rather than to prop up one's own little corner of the Earth. In other words, it would require genuine FAITH.

If (and I genuinely mean "if") she were living a life of Faith, Christianity would provide to her an impetus to serve others, rather than herself. Real faith requires cooperation between people, rather than raw competition for scarce resources. It's the basic concept that one of us can have X, but if we work together and utilize a resource properly, we can not only have X, but Y, too. It's at the root of agriculture, manufacturing, services, in other words, basic economics. It's at the root of civilization. It's how we managed to go from a bunch of apes dipping sticks into anthills, hoping to get enough to eat, to people who could split atoms. (Not that splitting atoms has seemed to help us much. If we don't get our s*** together, we'll be back to dipping sticks into anthills...) I know this has been discussed in detail by Kropotkin, (damned if I can find Mutual Aid anywhere in Sacramento), but it's generally at the root of most religions, at least those that aren't hell bent on self immolation.

I'll tell you what gets to me about the Church for the most part anymore: it's this obsession with the Last Days. Seems to me when I read the Book of Revelation, that wasn't something to look forward to. If anything, it was something we could put off for a few centuries, at least if I had my way about it. I don't groove on seeing people suffer.

If I had to guess, that's what's driving Kathy with all of this babble. You want me to listen to what you have to say about Jesus? Show me you got the basic message. Even if you don't believe a word of the Bible, you have to admire the basic idea of a guy who walks into a room, and heals a paralytic because he feels like it. You have to admire a guy who walks up to lepers and cures them. You've got to admire a man who keeps a lot lizard from being stoned to death. In other words, show me you're doing something along the lines of what you claim Jesus wants you to do. If you can't do that, you have nothing to show for your "faith."

I'll tell you something: You want to see someone I'd listen to about faith? Kittynh. A couple of years ago, I got an e-mail from her, and had the chance to help her out with something. That was a genuine blessing. It was an even greater blessing to learn what she did with the little bit of information I was able to send on to her. (I'll let her tell the story. It's really her right to do so, anyway.) She's compassionate, and it shows because she DOES what Kathy talks about doing. Kittynh is one of the most loving, honest, kind people here on this board. I don't know if this board would ever be the same without her. You gotta love her for that.

But, have you ever noticed: Kittynh isn't preaching. She's doing. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE, KATHY!!!

Get a clue.
 
Stevie Ray, in case you ain't noticed, ain't composing these days.

Hey, here's a question for Kathy: If she gets to Heaven, and Jesus and crew are groovin' to Stevie Ray Vaughn, is she going to leave?
 
Tell us about the "other stuff."

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Is this wayofthemaster disco thing for real. Say it isn't so. Parents--do not let your childent become child stars--the brain cells grow sticky and attract all sorts of weird crap--

I'm embarrassed for Kirk Cameron. Didn't Willie Ames become "bibleman" for awhile.
 
Is this wayofthemaster disco thing for real. Say it isn't so. Parents--do not let your childent become child stars--the brain cells grow sticky and attract all sorts of weird crap--

I'm embarrassed for Kirk Cameron. Didn't Willie Ames become "bibleman" for awhile.

Yup.
 
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All I have said is that God can and does change lives. I was once a lost girl in a lost world with no hope or direction. Now in christ I see clearly and what the world needs now is love sweet love. God is love!

Kathy, Kathy, Kathy, Kathy, Kathy….

Forum members far more eloquent and experienced than I have tried, and by all the evidence, failed to get you to abandon your platitudes and catch-phrases. So here goes, but I expect I’m pi**ing into the wind.

Your proselytizing here makes me think you’re the sort of Christian who supports missions to foreign lands and might go on one yourself if you got the chance. If you did go, wouldn’t you learn the language so you could communicate effectively to them? Or would you insult the people you're trying to convert, for example, by raving on and on at rural Chinese farmers in English?

There are many reasons people join this forum but I think one normative is that we like to use our brains. We like to challenge ourselves and each other to think and write logically. If you want to engage us rather than enrage us, you’ve got to try to speak to us in our preferred language of evidence and logic.

Your postings so far are nothing but Christian catch-phrases; they are like the meaningless and brainless utterances of a parrot owned by a preacher. If your faith is as strong as you claim, then have faith that speaking to us on our own terms will not jeopardize your beliefs.


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Maybe Christianity requires a certain naivte and memorization of catchy Christian Lingo. Maybe Kathy is a Stepford Christian. Maybe we should stop throwing proverbial stones?

Nah...it's too deliciously fun. She is impervious anyhow.
 
I'm not self righteous. It is the power of God that set me free from the bondage of addiction and other stuff. I really don't like people getting the wrong impression that I'm more deserving than others. That is not at all correct. I am just thankful for the miracle of salvation. I really don't know all the why's that God just didn't let me die when I clearly wanted to?
I wasn't seeing things until I asked Him to show me what He saw I was blinded by my own sin. This is the miracle of salvation, really being able to come to a place in our hearts where we cry out to God in repentance. I still get sad remembering some of the stupid things I did in the past, but at least I am seeing it right. It's when we aren't able to see we our all in need of His forgiveness that people are in trouble.
I have just tried to share from my own painful experience that Jesus really does save us. Everyone of us can have this free gift of salvation if we want it, all we need to do is ask.
Can anyone here make you understand that people can save themselves?!?!? People all over the world who do not believe in Jesus or even know about him have recovered from addiction. Do you really think that the only people who have ever turned their lives around are xians?

Many people here with stories much more harrowing than mine have told you how they were able to get their lives straight without turning to an imaginary friend. My own story is one of selfishness and immaturity that led to people I loved being hurt. I was able to see what I had done and turn away from it, but I will always live with the regrets and pay the price for it. I didn't need some imaginary friend to tell me I was doing wrong or to show me how to stop. I figured it out all by myself, like a big girl!
 

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