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Ed, forgive Tailgaiter, for he knows not what he does....

Sorry, spillover from 3 hours in the humor forum;)
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
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I've never heard a CTist acknowledge the basic fact that everything from spray cans and pop bottles to undischarged fire extinguishers, power transformers and propane or oxygen tanks can and will explode when immersed in flames. To a man, they all claim that the explosions reported by various witness at the WTC could only have been the result of demolition charges and nothing else.
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Argh! Back to basic chemistry 101 with them!
 
Gravy said:
If people have the time and the inclination, post a comment whenever you see something like this.
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Done.:)

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In response to red95king, set a brick on your foot. It exerts a certain amount of force. Now drop that brick onto your foot from a height of ten feet. It exerts a heck of a lot more force. Right? That's what caused the WTC to pancake. Once it started to collapse the lower floors had to support a helluva lot more force than before. You should have stayed awake during physics class.

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Steve S.
 
bob_kark said:
ETA: If you really want to know who has supported the thread, the list is too great to mention. Many JREF members have done an excellent job in helping to debunk the CT. I'm frequently amazed at some of the fantastic points made in this thread. We're a sharp group. Well, maybe not me, the rest are though.
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My claws are sharp. Not sure about anything else, though.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
I'd like to believe you. However, last time I checked, JFK was still not resting in peace.
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Fair comment, but I do think JFK CTs have lost their power to provoke any kind of reaction from anyone but other JFK scholars. Forgive me if I misjudge the mood in the US but as far as I can tell people just don't take that stuff seriously any more. And its not even as if JFK conspiracies where particularly silly - most theories I heard seemed to involve no more than a dozen or so conspirators. I'm not an expert though...
 
Say geggy (and other conspiracy lovers)...

Not only does the "government" know where you live, due to those wonderful little W-2s you send in each April, if you have a cell phone, "they" can tell where you are all the time!

Have a paranoid day!
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
I've never heard a CTist acknowledge the basic fact that everything from spray cans and pop bottles to undischarged fire extinguishers, power transformers and propane or oxygen tanks can and will explode when immersed in flames. To a man, they all claim that the explosions reported by various witness at the WTC could only have been the result of demolition charges and nothing else.
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I was involved in the re-creation of a fire which occurred in an old peoples home. It started as a small fire in a storage cupboard with a few spray cans of cleaning materials (say half a dozen). On one of the tests the explosion damaged the test rig. It was loud.

Dave
 
Gravy said:
I came across this account of a failure of a large, unprotected steel truss system after a blaze of 30 minutes. It's Chicago's McCormick Place exhibition hall fire of 1967. A very different type of building than the WTC, but interesting. Steel get hot. Steel loose strength. Roof cave in.
http://www.chipublib.org/004chicago/disasters/mccormick_fire.html
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Gravy, back in the 70's I worked as a fire protection engineer for the insurance mutual that insured McCormick place. They, of course, used it as a training vehicle to show us what can happen to steel in an unsprinklered building.

I googled it a couple of weeks ago, thinking it might be of interest here, but gave up when I found one of the first three links was to a CT sight specifically devoted to McCormick place. They claimed that since the steel sidewalls didn't collapse, that something else caused the roof to collapse, or some such nonsense. I guess I just felt like it would only make the thread more confusing at that time, so I didn't post it. Maybe I should have, but then again, I'm a govt. shill, and not a true henchman. :)
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
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Appearantly, if you work in the oil industry, specifically with open flames in the prescence of oxygen and acetelyne tanks and you go around telling your boss that nothing explodes inside a burning building unless it's a brick of C4, he will fire your dumb ass becuase YOUR IGNORANCE OF BASIC FIRE SAFETY WILL KILL HIS EMPLOYEES AND BLOW UP HIS BUILDING AND EQUIPMENT!!!

I've never heard a CTist acknowledge the basic fact that everything from spray cans and pop bottles to undischarged fire extinguishers, power transformers and propane or oxygen tanks can and will explode when immersed in flames. To a man, they all claim that the explosions reported by various witness at the WTC could only have been the result of demolition charges and nothing else.

So here's a guy who could be making (depending on his certifications) 60 to 100$ an hour in the Alberta oil industry but instead he's heading for a cardboard box in a back alley because his head is so full of CT garbage that he is a literal threat to anyone who hires him.
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I got a real chuckle out of this one Sword.

I'm a Safety Engineer in a multistory, 5 building, laboratory complex. We have about 25,000 line items of chemicals, hundreds of compressed gas tanks, high pressure hydraulics, high voltage electrical, etc.

I'm sure I'd be out of a job pretty quickly if I told my boss that only materials like C4 could explode.

Anyhow, thanks for the giggle.
 
You wanna know the funny part?

If you chuck a brick of C-4 into a roaring fire, it will burn, not blow.

Just as with other explosives, you need to apply some energy to C-4 to kick off the chemical reaction. Because of the stabilizer elements, it takes a considerable shock to set off this reaction; lighting the C-4 with a match will just make it burn slowly, like a piece of wood (in Vietnam, soldiers actually burned C-4 as an improvised cooking fire). Even shooting the explosive with a rifle won't trigger the reaction. Only a detonator, or blasting cap will do the job properly.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/c-42.htm

So if the mystery conpsirators had placed explosive charges inside the WTC and then smashed a 200,000 pound molotov cocktail into the buildings and let it burn for an hour, there would have been NO collapse under thier theory becuase the charges would have been burned away.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
You wanna know the funny part?

If you chuck a brick of C-4 into a roaring fire, it will burn, not blow.

Just as with other explosives, you need to apply some energy to C-4 to kick off the chemical reaction. Because of the stabilizer elements, it takes a considerable shock to set off this reaction; lighting the C-4 with a match will just make it burn slowly, like a piece of wood (in Vietnam, soldiers actually burned C-4 as an improvised cooking fire). Even shooting the explosive with a rifle won't trigger the reaction. Only a detonator, or blasting cap will do the job properly.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/c-42.htm

So if the mystery conpsirators had placed explosive charges inside the WTC and then smashed a 200,000 pound molotov cocktail into the buildings and let it burn for an hour, there would have been NO collapse under thier theory becuase the charges would have been burned away.
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In short, use it to start a fire, but don't stamp it out.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
You wanna know the funny part?

If you chuck a brick of C-4 into a roaring fire, it will burn, not blow.

Just as with other explosives, you need to apply some energy to C-4 to kick off the chemical reaction. Because of the stabilizer elements, it takes a considerable shock to set off this reaction; lighting the C-4 with a match will just make it burn slowly, like a piece of wood (in Vietnam, soldiers actually burned C-4 as an improvised cooking fire). Even shooting the explosive with a rifle won't trigger the reaction. Only a detonator, or blasting cap will do the job properly.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/c-42.htm
So if the mystery conpsirators had placed explosive charges inside the WTC and then smashed a 200,000 pound molotov cocktail into the buildings and let it burn for an hour, there would have been NO collapse under thier theory becuase the charges would have been burned away.
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Yeah, my brother told me that when he was in Vietnam, guys humping out in the bush used to take chunks of it and light it on fire to heat rations, make coffee, etc.

Relatively safe stuff, unless you use a detonator.
 
Mr. Skinny said:
Yeah, my brother told me that when he was in Vietnam, guys humping out in the bush used to take chunks of it and light it on fire to heat rations, make coffee, etc.

Relatively safe stuff, unless you use a detonator.
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Apparently the problems were:

1) Where you got the C4 in the first place: "How come those Claymore's didn't stop the enemy?" "I dunno. Care for a hot dog?"

2) Stomping out the fire. Ka-boom! Yo!

3) C4 poisoning was apparently a bit of a problem. It was bad to handle C4 and then eat food with the same hands. Also, cooking with the stuff in an enclosed area was a bad idea.

Meanwhile, guess what happens to Mr 'Can-of-Lysol-everyone-has-their-desk-drawer' in the average office fire.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
If you chuck a brick of C-4 into a roaring fire, it will burn, not blow.
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The CTs complete lack of understanding of explosives has been a great source of amusement and pain. I've had them tell me the initial detonation of explosives was the fireball we saw on impact because: Ta-da! Jet Fuel is a combustable, not an explosive. So it couldn't blow up.
 
DavidJames said:
Remember Xraye?

He seemed articulate and mostly reasonable. I wonder whatever happend to him.
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Between you and me, he's in a FEMA camp. Moron CT'ers do more harm than good to their cause. They make the other CT'ers look ridiculous, so we tolerate them. But articulate and reasonable CT'ers, we can't take a chance on. So we intern them and keep them passive with mind-altering drugs.

Don't tell anyone though.
 
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