Loose Change

[Pardalis]

(Terrorcell @ May 11 2006, 07:08 PM)
LMAO!!!!! Now I know exactly what you are. That is Mcnamara's biography, Here's more places where you can confirm my findings that the opening statement in the "debunking" post you linked is a flat out lie :

QUOTE
McNamara left office on 29 February 1968; for his dedicated efforts, the president awarded him both the Medal of Freedom and the Distinguished Service Medal. He served as head of the World Bank from 1968 to 1981.

Source : http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/secdef...os/mcnamara.htm

This guy is incredible, he's completely putting Gravy's comment out of context!

From Gravy's paper:

But the suggestion that he was removed for submitting this plan is misleading. It certainly didn’t endear him to McNamara and Kennedy, though, and when his term ran out he was transferred to Europe to become the head of NATO.

emphasis mine


If you look at the entire Gravy text, Gravy IS talking about Leimnitzer! he=Leimnitzer
That's just antoher proof how conspiracists are misquoting everyone and distorting everything!!!!!

 

[Pardalis]

This "Terrorcell" (gotta love his name) really can't read english!

 

[juryjone]

WOW, how can you keep your cool with such garbage from the LC forum, Dubfan? You are terrific!

I forced myself to read through that entire thread, the first one that I made my way through, and I have to bow down to anyone who is able to remain civil in the face of such willful ignorance.

Going over and over the same debunked evidence, like a pack rat with a precious gum wrapper. And all the d**n smileys, like their mere presence proves anything!

But the crowning idiot is roxdog, asking again and again for proof when he offers offers none himself, accusing dubfan of the same hit and run tactics that he indulged in here in his brief appearances as conspiracybeliever.

But is he stupider than the people who seem to claim that they have been banned from here from stating the "trooth"?

GAAAAAAH!!!!!!

 

[dissonance]

OMG, Gravy, I found a spelling mistake in your debunking! That makes the WHOLE THING WRONG!!!!!!

/whackjob cospiracy theorist

Seriously, great job. It's quite telling that so far the responses haven't come up with any substantial criticisms or rebuttles.

 

[dubfan]

Can someone who is following that thread tell me what in the HELL Terrorcell is on about with this McNamara and the world bank business?

What am I missing?

It looks to me like he confused a quote about Leimnitzer with a quote about McNamara and from there's it's been one long confused descent into the incoherence.

 

[CurtC]

Not at all. I can get to invisionfree, directory and all. It's when I try to go to the LC forum that I get the above message. Since I was banned, I haven't even be able to read what others have written there. Frustrating, but very telling.

Nooby, I'll assume you're using Internet Explorer (since I think otherwise you'd be more aware of your cookies). Click Tools, Internet Options, and on the General tab, under Temporary Internet Files, click Settings. Click the View Files button, and it will open up an explorer window with the files that IE uses to store your cookies (this is so much more clumsy than Firefox!).

Now keep that window open, but close Internet Explorer. Find the cookie called "Loose_Change_Forum" and delete it. Now go back into IE and see if you can see the contents over there.

 

[Pardalis]

Can someone who is following that thread tell me what in the HELL Terrorcell is on about with this McNamara and the world bank business?

What am I missing?

It looks to me like he confused a quote about Leimnitzer with a quote about McNamara and from there's it's been one long confused descent into the incoherence.

He is quoting Gravy without the context. He thinks the "he" in the paragraph he is quoting, is McNamara, but it IS in fact Leimnitzer if you read the entire paragraph!

From gravy's debunk:

The plan was rejected by McNamara, and President John F. Kennedy personally removes Lemnitzer as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Good move. But the suggestion that he was removed for submitting this plan is misleading. It certainly didn’t endear him to McNamara and Kennedy, though, and when his term ran out he was transferred to Europe to become the head of NATO.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Can someone who is following that thread tell me what in the HELL Terrorcell is on about with this McNamara and the world bank business?

What am I missing?

It looks to me like he confused a quote about Leimnitzer with a quote about McNamara and from there's it's been one long confused descent into the incoherence.

No, you're not missing a thing. Try re-quoting the Leimnitzer quote in a context that makes it clear that it's about Leimnitzer, not McNamara, and ask him why McNamara's appointment to the world bank proves it a lie.

 

[CurtC]

A 14-year old HS student is asked on a test who was responsible for 9/11. He answers "George Bush". The kid is sent to see a psychiatrist. Loosers get wind of the story; hilarity ensues.

I wonder who made that up? It's the stereotypical urban legend ideally designed to propagate in that sub-culture. I guess it could conceivably be true, but my I'd put up money that it's not.

 

[Pardalis]

No, you're not missing a thing. Try re-quoting the Leimnitzer quote in a context that makes it clear that it's about Leimnitzer, not McNamara, and ask him why McNamara's appointment to the world bank proves it a lie.

And that's it's a matter of reading a text thourougly!

 

[Manny]

Can someone who is following that thread tell me what in the HELL Terrorcell is on about with this McNamara and the world bank business?

What am I missing?

It looks to me like he confused a quote about Leimnitzer with a quote about McNamara and from there's it's been one long confused descent into the incoherence.

Yep. Hard to tell if it's intentional, to distract anything substantive onto the 7th page. Maybe try posting a brief sysopsis of Lemnitzer's career, bolding the Europe service? http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/lemnitz.htm

 

[chipmunk stew]

Ruh-roh, Rerrorcell! Now what?

I'm trying to follow along here. Terrorcell, I don't see what you're talking about. He doesn't say anything boaut Macnamara in 1968. He says Lemnitzer went to become the head of NATO. Are we looking at the same "debunk?"

Which version are you reading? I'm looking at the HTML.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=3983&view=findpost&p=4339102

 

[Pardalis]

Here's "Terrocell's" quote of Gravy's text:

The Lie :

QUOTE
Good move. But the suggestion that he was removed for submitting this plan is misleading. It certainly didn't endear him to McNamara and Kennedy, though, and when his term ran out he was transferred to Europe to become the head of NATO.

And now Gravy's text:

The plan was rejected by McNamara, and President John F. Kennedy personally removes Lemnitzer as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Good move. But the suggestion that he was removed for submitting this plan is misleading. It certainly didn’t endear him to McNamara and Kennedy, though, and when his term ran out he was transferred to Europe to become the head of NATO.

"he"=Lemnitzer

I can't believe how stupid Terrorcell is!

 

[Gravy]

I just took a peek over there. Someone else is defending me. My honor is intact...for now!

Dubfan, you are my hero. I just looked at that stuff for 3 minutes and thought I would get a migraine. And I've never had a migraine.

 

[Pardalis]

I just took a peek over there. Someone else is defending me. My honor is intact...for now!

Dubfan, you are my hero. I just looked at that stuff for 3 minutes and thought I would get a migraine. And I've never had a migraine.

And "Terrorcell" is still thinking he as proven Gravy to have lied. ◊◊◊◊! Can't anyone tell that idiot to READ THE TEXT THOUROUGHLY!

 

[Pardalis]

Finally, someone told him... Boy, am I exausted reading that thread...

I think I'll go feed my budgies...

 

[dissonance]

And even if Gravy had been wrong on that point, how does that invalidate the rest of the debunking?

 

[Gravy]

Finally, someone told him... Boy, am I exausted reading that thread...

I think I'll go feed my budgies...

Don't you mean "eat my budgies?"

 

[Gravy]

And even if Gravy had been wrong on that point, how does that invalidate the rest of the debunking?

It's the equivalent of me picking out a statement in "Loose Change," finding it wrong, and then assuming that everything else is wrong.

Okay, that's a really bad example.

 

[Pardalis]

Don't you mean "eat my budgies?"

"I'll go feed my budgies" as in "I'll go and do a stress-free activity"