Rumsfeld proven a liar. Twice.

Grammatron said:
Wrong.

Your claim


NYT Articles from that day: "Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said today that American intelligence had "bulletproof" evidence of links between Al Qaeda and the government of President Saddam Hussein of Iraq."...

"Administration officials say there is still no evidence to link Mr. Hussein directly to the attacks on Sept. 11 in the United States. Some intelligence and law enforcement officials said today..."

Conclusion: Your claim is wrong.
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The issue is not whether there is a link between Iraq and AQ. The issue is whether such a link was claimed. It was.

That is a fact.

Unless you claim that Rumsfeld doesn't claim that Al Qaeda is behind the September 11th attacks. Do you claim that, yes or no?
 
CFLarsen said:
The issue is not whether there is a link between Iraq and AQ. The issue is whether such a link was claimed. It was.
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That was not your original claim.

This is your claim:
(Woman) You said about a year ago, that there was bullet-proof evidence, that Saddam Hu...of links between Saddam Hussein and the September 11th attacks. When will the American public see that sort of evidence?

Donald Rumsfeld: I did not say that. And whoever said I said it, is wrong.
The National Press Club, September 10, 2003
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According to the New York Times, September he did say it, on September 27th, 2002. A month later, he admitted saying it.

Oops.
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Do you admit it's wrong?
 
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/04/rumsfeld.iraq/index.html

When asked about any connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda, Rumsfeld said, "To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two."

But a short time later, Rumsfeld released a statement: "A question I answered today at an appearance before the Council on Foreign Relations regarding ties between Al Qaeda and Iraq regrettably was misunderstood.

"I have acknowledged since September 2002 that there were ties between Al Qaeda and Iraq."
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets this crap confused! :)
 
Grammatron said:
That was not your original claim.

This is your claim:


Do you admit it's wrong?
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It's not wrong. Unless you claim that Rumsfeld doesn't claim that Al Qaeda is behind the September 11th attacks. Do you claim that, yes or no?

You have ignored this question for some time now. Care to answer it?
 
CFLarsen said:
It's not wrong. Unless you claim that Rumsfeld doesn't claim that Al Qaeda is behind the September 11th attacks. Do you claim that, yes or no?
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This is not what you claimed originally, this is your claim.

(Woman) You said about a year ago, that there was bullet-proof evidence, that Saddam Hu...of links between Saddam Hussein and the September 11th attacks. When will the American public see that sort of evidence?

Donald Rumsfeld: I did not say that. And whoever said I said it, is wrong.
The National Press Club, September 10, 2003
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According to the New York Times, September he did say it, on September 27th, 2002. A month later, he admitted saying it.

Oops.
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CFLarsen said:
So why all this confusion?

That's the key issue here.
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Seems to me the key is that you expect us to agree with you that Rumsfeld has stated that:

Iraq was involved with al Qaeda; and
al Qaeda was involved with 9/11​

Which is all well and good till you hit the logical wall by assuming those two truths (which he HAS said) add up to:

Therefore, Iraq was involved in 9/11.​

Which is a reasoning error only an idiot would make.

You're being dishonest as well as pompous... that's the key issue here.
 
Jocko said:
Seems to me the key is that you expect us to agree with you that Rumsfeld has stated that:

Iraq was involved with al Qaeda; and
al Qaeda was involved with 9/11​

Which is all well and good till you hit the logical wall by assuming those two truths (which he HAS said) add up to:

Therefore, Iraq was involved in 9/11.​

Which is a reasoning error only an idiot would make.
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Where have I said that Iraq was involved in 9/11? I don't know how you interpret "involve", but, personally, I don't think there is any evidence that Iraq - as in Saddam Hussein - was involved with 9/11. As in "no planning, no support, no action taken".
 
CFLarsen said:
Where have I said that Iraq was involved in 9/11? I don't know how you interpret "involve", but, personally, I don't think there is any evidence that Iraq - as in Saddam Hussein - was involved with 9/11. As in "no planning, no support, no action taken".
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And likewise, no quote from Rumsfeld or anyone else saying there WAS a connection. As in, "didn't happen, wasn't said, you're talking out your hat again."

See, if there was such a quote, Mark would have it tattooed onto his forehead by now. But he hasn't, cuz there ain't. And all the leading questions in the world won't change that, Claus. Sorry to ruin your weekend.
 
Jocko said:
And likewise, no quote from Rumsfeld or anyone else saying there WAS a connection. As in, "didn't happen, wasn't said, you're talking out your hat again."

See, if there was such a quote, Mark would have it tattooed onto his forehead by now. But he hasn't, cuz there ain't. And all the leading questions in the world won't change that, Claus. Sorry to ruin your weekend.
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Where have I said that Iraq was involved in 9/11?
 
CFLarsen said:
Where have I said that Iraq was involved in 9/11?
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In your opening post:
(Woman) You said about a year ago, that there was bullet-proof evidence, that Saddam Hu...of links between Saddam Hussein and the September 11th attacks. When will the American public see that sort of evidence?

Donald Rumsfeld: I did not say that. And whoever said I said it, is wrong.
The National Press Club, September 10, 2003
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According to the New York Times, September he did say it, on September 27th, 2002. A month later, he admitted saying it.

Oops.
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CFLarsen said:
Where have I said that Iraq was involved in 9/11?
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The question, dear Claus, is when did Rumsfeld say that?

If you can't answer, you have no point. I really wish you'd think these things through before polluting the forum with more pointless threads like this one.
 
Jocko said:
The question, dear Claus, is when did Rumsfeld say that?

If you can't answer, you have no point. I really wish you'd think these things through before polluting the forum with more pointless threads like this one.
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Where have I said that Iraq was involved in 9/11?
 
Grammatron said:
In your opening post:
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That doesn't mean that I claim that Iraq was involved in 9/11.

Answer the question: Do you claim that Rumsfeld doesn't claim that Al Qaeda is behind the September 11th attacks? Yes or no?

That seems a very hard question for you to answer. Now, why is that.....?
 
CFLarsen said:
That doesn't mean that I claim that Iraq was involved in 9/11.

Answer the question: Do you claim that Rumsfeld doesn't claim that Al Qaeda is behind the September 11th attacks? Yes or no?
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My claim is simple: that your claim of the claim that Rumsfeld claimed is not the claim that you claimed in the OP. Thus your current claim of his claim is not the claim we should be discussing not matter what you claim it should be.
 
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