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[money]

Heh. Who's gonna break it to him that the people in this thread run about, oh, 99 44/100 to 56/100 against Bush but 100 to zero that he was involved with the 9-11 attacks?

I think you should do it.

 

[DavidJames]

geggy - take a look at the other threads in this forum. Psychics, bigfoot, ghosts, Astrology, Homeopathy, Edgar Cayce, and the 911 CT. Guess what all of them have in common?

tick, tick tick
Ding

None of the claims are substantiated with honest evidence.

You are not alone geggy, should you fall out of favor at Loose Change, you have friends out there. Friends who also believe things and then filter all they see through the cloud of that belief.

 

[TjW]

Okay, I know I'm late to the dogpile on the suitcase nuke, but don't you think a suitcase nuke would have shown up on the seismometer data?

 

[hellaeon]

Apart from yours, of course.

They're willing to rub out anyone who tells The Truth --- except for you and your chums, who are free to make movies, make websites, host radio shows, pass out leaflets, hold public demonstrations, and generally tell the whole world that George Bush masterminded 9/11 --- and no-one kills you, no-one silences you, no-one threatens you, no-one even tries to buy you off.

Doesn't that seem just a little bit strange to you? That these people have "no regards for human life", and yet such tender regard for your life, liberty, and freedom of speech?

dont speak such logic! blasphemy....

 

[hellaeon]

Hey!
Ad as for the comment that geggy knows little of physics and other sciences, that is an unjustified opinion. He has proven that he knows less than nothing. His mind actually contains negative science knowledge.

hahahaha mate, thats pretty funny.

 

[hellaeon]

Geggy:

I don't think you realize how truly dangerous the bush cronies are. They have no regards for human lives. They have strong lust for power and dollar and they put everything into their interest before anything else. Now I'm going a little off the point here as usual to focus on something I have best knowledge on, just to clarify how dangerous they are. In history tells a story of war and profits invasion and mass control. For the mideast to be invaded by the westerns backed by military might serve the interest corporate greed and global finance. The pnac plan to shape the globe for us economic profits will be widely known. Sept 11 was the pretext. Leaked confessions and documents showed that cheney had pre planned infrastructure developement for a post iraq war and profits showed that halliburton has done very well from the war. Carlyle, the arms provider, has done well too. you could say that if carlyle was involved in corruption supplying the arms for the iraq war the shareholders, bushes and bin Ladens will be guilty of treasons and corruption. Bush invaded iraq to control iraq oil reserves for american big moguls and get as many possible contracts for his benefactors. Meetings were held in the us by large companies planning ways to profit off the oil and the rebuilding of a damaged iraq, iran will be no different only with much more oil to plunder.

I notice you have stumbled across a few obvious displays of possible corruption. Thats common. Trust me, your not unique for seeing that. Everyone does it. The media always report on it - strange considering they are government controlled Trick is, you see it as part of some massive movie style plot. Others just think 'what pr*cks'.

At the end of the day, as romantic as this sounds for a conspiracy its just conjecture. You must remember that. Remember they went to iraq to get the WMD's. That US government is so sloppy, that in the effort to try and hide the trooth of 9/11 they forgot to plant a WMD in iraq! Fools!

 

[Pardalis]

Once you get caught in the paranoid mechanism, it's difficult to get out of it. It's a mechanism that will only push you further into psychosis. For your own good geggy, don't go back to these CT sites and concentrate on what's important, your life, your daughter.

You have plenty of reasons to dislike the Bush administration, you are absolutely intitled to your opinion. Nobody is going to keep that right away from you, not even the government itself. But don't combine political opinion with belief in an alternate reality. It's a bad mix, a drug that will only do you harm.

Have you read any of what I said geggy? Judging by your recent posts,obviousl you haven't considered my warnings.

Let me try again, because I'm also starting to think that you are reaching out to us, in some unconscious way. I’m URGING YOU, what you are doing is very dangerous. To have an opinion on your government’s politics is one thing, but you mixing it up with paranoia is another. Keeping an open eye on things is a good reflex, dirty dealings and conniving do happen, especially in politics. That’s what we call having a critical mind. But this as gone way beyond crititical thinking or even partisan affiliation. The Truth movement is insidiously practicing the mind to think in paranoid terms, to doubt everything and to even challenge logic itself. When you toss logic and your own ability to reason aside, paranoia fills in the void and starts running your life. You will see patterns of deceipt everywhere, it will cloud your judgment and make you do things you never would have done. The mind is a very dangerous think to mess with.

The human brain isn't a gift from nature to be taken for granted, it's a responsability.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_propaganda

Propaganda comes in many shapes and sizes. It’s not just an institutionalised creation. You’re so focused on the Big Brother from the White House that you don’t see that you are being manipulated by another type of tyranny, the FEAR that things might not be what they seem. Slowly the IDEA becomes the charismatic leader of a new kind of cult, the search for the Truth. The CTs unwillingness to look at real evidence, to dismiss basic logic, to me, sounds a hell of a lot like what people in cults do. And face it, you do show all the signs. CTs always say “Wake up” or “ Open your Eyes.”, as if only you allowed yourself to believe you would see the Truth. Actually, that’s what paranoia does, it lets you see things that are not there.

I encourage you to think for yourself. Investigate by looking at DIFFERENT SOURCES. Don’t let your internal fears and political beliefs influence your assertion of the data you collect. You definately distrust your government, so you got their propaganda in check... that’s good. But now apply that same technique to your CT friends. Be your own person, let yourself decide. Don’t believe, THINK!

 

[OMGturt1es]

i love you all. this thread is like eyeball sex.

thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you.

but yeah, slow down a bit, eh? i'm finally at page 33...

 

[brodski]

Okay, I know I'm late to the dogpile on the suitcase nuke, but don't you think a suitcase nuke would have shown up on the seismometer data?

Don’t be silly, it was a magic nuke, which doesn't kill all the people who are in the immediate vicinity when it goes off, produces no radiation and makes buildings collapse from near the top down, even though it is placed in the basement. It also produces severe aeroplane related hallucinations. These magic nukes are also readily available and cheaper than paying for asbestos removal. It all makes sense when you think about it…

 

[geggy]

Have you read any of what I said geggy? Judging by your recent posts,obviousl you haven't considered my warnings.

Let me try again, because I'm also starting to think that you are reaching out to us, in some unconscious way. I

 

[Belz...]

The power of christ compels you
The power of christ compels you
The power of christ compels you

That's it. I think his mind broke.

 

[chipmunk stew]

to prove it our organization will send you a secret message...look for it on page 6, line 14 of the June issue of the Journal of Prosthetic Dentistry (it's the only publication "they" don't control yet).

I knew it! As soon as I learned that Judy Wood, that oft-referenced professor of billiard ball physics, was a specialist in the material properties of human teeth, I suspected that JPD was a covert mouthpiece for the Rebellion.

 

[Gravy]

Don’t be silly, it was a magic nuke...It also produces severe aeroplane related hallucinations.

That would explain these quotes from "No-planer" Jimmy Walters' website:

What about all the witnesses? We have never found any reliable witnesses to these alleged big passenger jets. We find people who saw "something", who were home in bed with the drapes drawn and still "saw the plane" they think, because they heard the explosion…

We caution everyone that false-memories are easily planted about what people think they should have seen. Also, the mind is a computer that interprets signals from the eyes.

 

[chipmunk stew]

quote from LOUIE - Scaffold Rider
"I don't think I have read a book in over thrity years and in the last few months since I saw LooseChange2 and joined this forum, I must have read thousands of articles."

That says alot.

As does: "I see things so differently now, the people that really know me are shocked and can't believe this new side of me."

 

[Gravy]

Have you read any of what I said geggy? Judging by your recent posts,obviousl you haven't considered my warnings.

Let me try again, because I'm also starting to think that you are reaching out to us, in some unconscious way. I

I suppose he'll come back and edit this, but wouldn't it be cool if that's his last post?
Geggy, that is, not Pardalis.

 

[Belz...]

Bobkark...EPA, who the bush administration has a stanglehold of, lied to the ground zero crew and assured to them the air was safe to breath. Get it?

Would you mind providing evidence for this claim ?

Actually, several witnesses have claimed the bomb went off in the basement of south tower at the same time the north tower was struck.

Well, gee. I'd think a jet flying into a building would make quite a BANG indeed.

Some info relating to sept 11 that I find may be fabricated by desperate fools on both sides, but I don't know well enough about science to tell if it's true or not.

And yet you persist in claiming that it IS ? I'm more and more convinced that you don't yeally believe those things you say, here.

But I'm willing to listen to both sides of theories as to why the buildings fell. I'm more convinced by the controlled demo theory.

You're not MORE convinced, you're convinced. But you don't even know why.

The physics of the wtc falling is much too similiar to building implosions, straight down and free fall.

First, for your information, controlled demos aren't free fall. Otherwise they wouldn't be controlled.

Second, I repeat: do you have any examples of scryscrapers that fell in a non-controlled fashion ? If not, how could you DAMN tell the difference ?

I'm just trying to suggest that the commission report and the FEMA/NIST reports is a total fabrication without being labelled a conspiracy theorist.

Well you are theorising about a conspiracy.

True the building could have fell as the bomb went off in the basement to cut the core columns, but the thing is that wtc towers are extremely sturdy buildings, it would take a stripping and cutting of the entire towers that the blasting in the basement could not have be able to take it down alone.

So no explosives ?

I've seen puffs ejecting at an accelerating speed out of the building as it fell,

Are you backtracking on your previous sentence ? Cause this doesn't follow.

And how could you POSSIBLY see the acceleration of puffs of smoke ?

which characterizes explosive charges that were going off. Why deny it?

Because you're wrong. Remember my example ?

Floor X+1 --------------
Office space
Floor X --------------

You'd expect SOME acceleration when X+1 comes crashing down on X.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Have you read any of what I said geggy? Judging by your recent posts,obviousl you haven't considered my warnings.

Let me try again, because I'm also starting to think that you are reaching out to us, in some unconscious way. I

Whoa. Geggy, if this was posted in error, consider the possibility that this was a subconscious gesture to yourself. A spark of truth trying to break through.

 

[Belz...]

I don't think you realize how truly dangerous the bush cronies are. They have no regards for human lives.

Are we still debating facts, here ?

Oh, wait. You were never debating facts.

They have strong lust for power and dollar and they put everything into their interest before anything else.

Of course. They're the government. But then, that doesn't prove anything, does it ?

In history tells a story of war and profits invasion and mass control.

Damn. Those goalposts are moving faster than a [insert joke here]. Care to adress ANY of the points raised in the last three PAGES, Geggy ?

 

[WildCat]

Have you read any of what I said geggy? Judging by your recent posts,obviousl you haven't considered my warnings.

Let me try again, because I'm also starting to think that you are reaching out to us, in some unconscious way. I

Uh-oh, "they" have finally tracked down geggy and made him disappear... and in mid-post too!

 

[geggy]

oops let me fix that other post by starting a new post

i find it twistedly funny that you would associate sept 11 activists with the ufo conspiracy theorsts. I didnt think you would stoop that low. Tell me again, what did UFO have to do with sept 11? I'm really interested in hearing your theories.

Yeah I'm antibush. Any sane person would see that the malevolent activities that he partipicates himself into is against the humanity and i think I've had enough of it. Can you really blame me for it?

I'm curious on what you think of the catapulting of the propaganda on television across the entire NYC region during the months after the sept 11 catastrophe. It wasn't a year until after the catalyzing event that I contacted a friend from NYC and she explained to me that the repeated images of the plane crashing, towers falling were still being shown on television at the time whereas in my home state it was forbidden to show images of sept 11 on television. How do you explain that?