Loose Change

[Ramooone]

on the Loose change blog theres an interesting link that dyaln says isnt him.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=8095#c0105

hmm, he wants us to believe in conspiracy theories cause coincidence is too convenient, well, i guess two dylan avery's both talking about the conspiracy is coincidence also.

 

[Manny]

Damn...you got me there. That makes sense to me. I better tell and show the videos to other truthers before they make an ass out of themselves...

Hey geggy, didja ever go back to the other "truthers" with this little tidbit? I didn't see anything at the Loosers' site, but perhaps you hang out somewhere else?

 

[Mr. Skinny]

drywalls and everything else but concrete are removed for safer reason and less clean up after the building are imploded. When drywalls, absestos are pulverized into smaller particles, it can be hazardous to your health as you breath in the dangerous toxins inside the fine dust. Which is basically why tens of thousands of volunteers, rescure team and clean up crew are ridiculed with health problems from breathing in toxins from the dust from materials that used to be what was inside the building after the EPA (or was told by the white house) lied to the ground zero crew that the air was safe to breath.

(bolding mine)

geggy, I'd like to see your source for the statement (bolded) above. I'm a safety engineer, and in my experience with EPA, they don't give a crap about what your employees are breathing, they're only worried about what air and groundwater pollution you're creating.

Anyhow, I've never had them come in and "advise" that the "air was safe to breathe". Compliance agencies like EPA and OSHA inspect your location, and if the air is safe to breathe/spew out your stack, they do nothing. If the air is not safe to breathe/spew out your stack, they issue a citation and recommend a fine. OSHA and EPA are not advisory groups for employers. They are inspectors/regulators to see if you are complying with their regulations.

While I agree that a lot of potentially harmful air contaminants were spewed out during the collapse that could cause health problems, I'd like to see your source for the EPA (or OSHA) advising anyone that the air was "safe to breathe"

Edit: spelling

 

[Stellafane]

Question for geggy

Hi geggy. I know this has been asked in various forms in this and other threads, but shucks, if CT'ers can repeat themselves over and over, offering the same discredited "evidence" and asking the same throughly answered questions ad nauseum, why can't I? Let's just say for the sake of argument, you and your fellow CT'ers are somehow correct, and the U.S. government really did orchestrate 9/11, and Bush and his henchmen are unspeakably evil, all-powerful, and unprecendently single-minded. What, exactly, are we supposed to do about it? Post on forums? Make "documentaries"? Vote Democrat? I mean, if our government is that efficient and that murderous, and that willing and able to stop at nothing to get what it wants, what's the point? Haven't we already lost? Why are you even still in this country if that's what you really believe? Me, I'm here because I think everything ever presented by the Loose Change folks and all their fellow-travellers combined is total codswallop (pardon my language) and would be laughable if it weren't so offensively insulting to the memory of those who died. But what about you?

Like your buddies at Loose Change like to say, hey, I'm just asking...

 

[Belz...]

YES IT WAS

Please provide evidence that the WTC fell at free-fall speeds. This would mean that the floors below were non-existent when the "hammer" fell, though I'd think that, even if they were there, they wouldn't provide any significant resistance. Still, back up your claim.

EXACTLY MY POINT

No... no it wasn't.

EXPLOSIVE CHARGES WERE USED, NOT CUTTER CHARGES

Same difference. Plus, you have no evidence that explosives were used. Explosives don't produce that volume of smoke, as indicated earlier. The pankaking of floors does.

YOU LEFT OUT THE CENTRAL STEEL CORE.

A failing building's a failing building.

It's funny when people say the top portion is heavy and thick with concrete and steel yet the bottom portion of the building is 95 percent air.

Do you deny that pankaking floors will expell air to the sides, or do you agree ?

 

[geggy]

While I agree that a lot of potentially harmful air contaminants were spewed out during the collapse that could cause health problems, I'd like to see your source for the EPA (or OSHA) advising anyone that the air was "safe to breathe"

Edit: spelling

Here ya go
http://www.msnbc.com/avantgo/963407.asp?s=HEALTH

I know you guys have rights to mock me on my hypothesis of the strange collapsing of WTC as it is my weakest point because I have no experience in engineering field, therefore I'm not keen on speaking technical launguage of engineering. But it seems too clear that the buildings came down with explosives. But do not fork with me on the other anomalies surrounding sept 11.

I remember one of you asked me to provide a link proving that both the nist and controlled demoliton inc addressed the molten steel pool in the rubble of ground zero. I want to remind you again that I began to look into the anomalies surrounding sept 11 starting in 2002. It's extremely difficult now to find any real source because articles and solid info have been dissappearing off the face of the internt and fake info's are planted to muddle in with the real sources...

However I came across a message board and thankfully one of the posters copy and pasted some good info that you should check out...

Peter Tully, the president of tully construction and Mark Loizeaux the president of controlled demolition, inc both who worked at the ground zero during clean up addressed the molten steel pool in the rubble.

Name of the poster is twitchy.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread9247/pg12

Unfortunately I can't find any source proving that nist did acknowledge the molten steel pool but never analyzed it.

Also a good artcle here for the people who use ad homien, "conspiracy theorist" smearing tactics...

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2006/03/29/notes032906.DTL

It's not in my intention to convince any of you that sept 11 was an inside job. That's just my gut intuition. But it's in my intention to try and convince you to doubt the official story of sept 11. There is just too many information availble out there that contadicts the official story and I'd recommend you to do your own research.

 

[Pardalis]

It's not in my intention to convince any of you that sept 11 was an inside job. That's just my gut intuition. But it's in my intention to try and convince you to doubt the official story of sept 11.

Intuition is unreliable. FACTS are.

There is just too many information availble out there that contadicts the official story.

Still waiting for that information.

 

[Pardalis]

It's extremely difficult now to find any real source because articles and solid info have been dissappearing off the face of the internt and fake info's are planted to muddle in with the real sources...

Man, you need medical help.

 

[Blackwell]

But do not fork with me on the other anomalies surrounding sept 11.

Oh, trust me - you won't be "forked" with here. You (in the form of your theories) will be sliced, diced, and chopped into unrecognizable chunks, fed into a meat grinder, and served warm - the fence sitters will rightfully pass on the dish, while your fellow CTers will choke it down, contract a nasty virus, and quietly slip away.

 

[rwguinn]

......

I remember one of you asked me to provide a link proving that both the nist and controlled demoliton inc addressed the molten steel pool in the rubble of ground zero. I want to remind you again that I began to look into the anomalies surrounding sept 11 starting in 2002. It's extremely difficult now to find any real source because articles and solid info have been dissappearing off the face of the internt and fake info's are planted to muddle in with the real sources...

Ok, Delphi
Which of you incompetents let real stuff get posted in the first place. Now the cover-up looks like a cover-up! Looks like the mind-rays will be necessary.

However I came across a message board and thankfully one of the posters copy and pasted some good info that you should check out...

Oh, yeah. Doctored, modified, copied, corrupted.. Absolutely no chain of custody...

Peter Tully, the president of tully construction and Mark Loizeaux the president of controlled demolition, inc both who worked at the ground zero during clean up addressed the molten steel pool in the rubble.

Name of the poster is twitchy.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread9247/pg12

Unfortunately I can't find any source proving that nist did acknowledge the molten steel pool but never analyzed it.

Also a good artcle here for the people who use ad homien, "conspiracy theorist" smearing tactics...

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2006/03/29/notes032906.DTL

It's not in my intention to convince any of you that sept 11 was an inside job. That's just my gut intuition. But it's in my intention to try and convince you to doubt the official story of sept 11. There is just too many information availble out there that contadicts the official story and I'd recommend you to do your own research.

sigh.
same-old recycles lies, refuted o'er and o'er again..

 

[Pardalis]

Oh, trust me - you won't be "forked" with here. You (in the form of your theories) will be sliced, diced, and chopped into unrecognizable chunks, fed into a meat grinder, and served warm - the fence sitters will rightfully pass on the dish, while your fellow CTers will choke it down, contract a nasty virus, and quietly slip away.

Wow, funny to read that next to such a cute avatar. LOL

 

[geggy]

Let's just say for the sake of argument, you and your fellow CT'ers are somehow correct, and the U.S. government really did orchestrate 9/11, and Bush and his henchmen are unspeakably evil, all-powerful, and unprecendently single-minded. What, exactly, are we supposed to do about it? Post on forums? Make "documentaries"? Vote Democrat? I mean, if our government is that efficient and that murderous, and that willing and able to stop at nothing to get what it wants, what's the point? Haven't we already lost? Why are you even still in this country if that's what you really believe? Me, I'm here because I think everything ever presented by the Loose Change folks and all their fellow-travellers combined is total codswallop (pardon my language) and would be laughable if it weren't so offensively insulting to the memory of those who died. But what about you?

First of all I don't think the bush administraion are evil. They're just bunch of wimps giving in as preys of evil. Nothing corrupts a soul more than greed and a bottle of jameson.

I think my purpose since that I clearly see something is wrong with the official story of sept 11, I'm willing to contribute to the society by convincing others not to believe in the official story and multiply the movement into a larger group demanding to reopen a more honest and serious investigation by independant investigators that has no ties to the US government. The reason why I'm still here is because I like this country too much just to pack up and leave. I'm willing to protect it from the bush regime to prevent them for doing any further damage to the US as well as the rest of the planet with their lies, lootin' rampage, destructive behavoir and imcompetence. And if you don't see the soulless, convinning bast...s that they are, then you're must be crazy . I just think sept 11 may be the best tool to overthrow them.

 

[Pardalis]

First of all I don't think the bush administraion are evil. They're just bunch of wimps giving in as preys of evil. Nothing corrupts a soul more than greed and a bottle of jameson.

So what is this evil? Exactly?

I'm willing to protect it from the bush regime to prevent them for doing any further damage to the US as well as the rest of the planet with their lies, lootin' rampage, destructive behavoir and imcompetence. And if you don't see the soulless, convinning bast...s that they are, then you're must be crazy . I just think sept 11 may be the best tool to overthrow them.

So you admit that you are using the deaths of 3000 people for somekind of political agenda, a revolution? A New World Order of your own? Aren't you doing the exact same thing you are accusing the Bush administration of doing?

 

[Stellafane]

...And if you don't see the soulless, convinning bast...s that they are, then you're must be crazy...

Hi geggy. Personally, I don't believe I'm crazy (although it could be argued that those who are crazy are always the last to realize it). But I certainly would be crazy if I truly believed my government callously killed nearly 3000 of its own innocent citizens, for reasons that can be at best described as convoluted and murky, and I still chose to remain in this country anyway.

 

[Gravy]

I think my purpose since that I clearly see something is wrong with the official story of sept 11, I'm willing to contribute to the society by convincing others not to believe in the official story and multiply the movement into a larger group demanding to reopen a more honest and serious investigation by independant investigators that has no ties to the US government.

So who would you choose to do this investigatiion?
And are you actually aware of all the organizations that have participated? For example, some of the organizations involved in the investiagtion of WTC 7 are:

–The Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE)
–The Society of Fire Protection Engineers (SFPE)
–The National Fire Protection Association (NFPA)
–The American Institute of Steel Construction (AISC)
–The Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat (CTBUH)
–The Structural Engineers Association of New York

Are these groups suspect to you? And if so, how would you replace them? Would you be more comfortable if the investigation was not conducted by Americans?

The reason why I'm still here is because I like this country too much just to pack up and leave. I'm willing to protect it from the bush regime to prevent them for doing any further damage to the US as well as the rest of the planet with their lies, lootin' rampage, destructive behavoir and imcompetence.

Has your research turned up evidence that anyone outside of the "official suspects" is complicit in the events of 9/11 in any way? That's what we're talking about here.

 

[geggy]

So what is this evil? Exactly?

temptation

So you admit that you are using the deaths of 3000 people for somekind of political agenda, a revolution? A New World Order of your own? Aren't you doing the exact same thing you are accusing the Bush administration of doing?

Hahaha oh man you made me laugh. That's a messed up way of looking at it. If my gut intuition is right, then we get justice for those who were killed in sept 11 as there hasn't been any since osama, the supposedly perpetrator, hasn't yet been caught and I don't think the bush administration has any real interest in attempting to capture him.

 

[Pardalis]

They're just bunch of wimps giving in as preys of evil.

What is this evil you are talking about geggy? Temptation of what?

 

[Gravy]

temptation



Hahaha oh man you made me laugh. That's a messed up way of looking at it. If my gut intuition is right, then we get justice for those who were killed in sept 11 as there hasn't been any since osama, the supposedly perpetrator, hasn't yet been caught and I don't think the bush administration has any real interest in attempting to capture him.

How about Moussaoui? Do you think he's innocent?

 

[Pardalis]

Hahaha oh man you made me laugh. That's a messed up way of looking at it.

you seem to be the one having a messed up way of looking at reality...

(...)our imperialism, our invasions of Iraq and Iran, the theft of trillions of dollars from the tax base to transfer to the top tenth of a percent or so of our population, the rise in repressive laws, loss of civil liberties, increase in the state power of Christian fundamentalism, and its accompanying marginalization of women that always accompanies fascisms and fundamentalisms.

 

[Pardalis]

If my gut intuition is right, then we get justice for those who were killed in sept 11 as there hasn't been any since osama, the supposedly perpetrator, hasn't yet been caught.

So according to your intestines, Ossama Bin Laden wasn't the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks? So what about your supposed evidence of the Bushs being in cahoots with the Bin Ladens? What was that about then?