Loose Change

[delphi_ote]

June 2001 The decades-old procedure for a quick response by the nation’s air defense was changed. NORAD’s military commanders could no longer issue the command to launch fighter jets because approval had to be sought from the civilian Defense Secretary and PNAC-member, Donald Rumsfeld.

9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing7/for_the_record_ashley.pdf

Definitely G.I. Joe for adults. Allowe me to translate:

Hey, everybody! Look at me! I'm Jack Ryan!

 

[brodski]

Osama was an "asset" to the CIA, not an agent. Going with the theory "The enemy of my enemy is my friend", Osama was fighting Russia, so we sent him cash and gear. It came back to bite us horribly.

one small point, the therms "asset" and "agent" are largely synonymous, what Osama was not was an "operative".
A agent is basically a "freelance contractor" for a covert agency, an operative is an employee.
But you are correct in your main points.
the problem is, so much spy fiction uses the terms "agent" when it would use "operative".

 

[geggy]

You mean like the nutcases who try and shy people away from the fact that some fanatical religious terrorists did this horriffic deed?

Noooo...

Just...look...

gallerize.com/What_Is_The_Hologram_Theory.htm

I will come back to debate as soon as the s***storm at work dies down...

 

[kookbreaker]

Noooo...

Just...look...

gallerize.com/What_Is_The_Hologram_Theory.htm

Laughable. Completely and utterly laughable. Not even good bad science in that. Enough holes to make a seive envious. Just...pathetic.

I will come back to debate as soon as the sh**storm at work dies down...

Language, please. Read the rules of this forum

 

[WildCat]

Noooo...

Just...look...

gallerize.com/What_Is_The_Hologram_Theory.htm

I will come back to debate as soon as the s***storm at work dies down...

Oh man, that's funny! A B2 flew over the WTC projecting a holographic image?! I've seen a B2 in flight before, they're absolutely gigantic and would have been seen by everyone and there would be video and pics galore of it. They're invisible to radar, not the naked eye! Good grief...

 

[Moochie]

Oh dear, this is getting sooooo tedious.

Would that there were a genuine conspiracy!

Unfortunately, the evidence suggests that a bunch of sad and sorry brainwashed individuals, hoping to to realize a myth, hijacked and flew planes into the WTC towers, and the Pentagon. They would have gotten the White House or the Capitol, too, if it hadn't been for some brave people who'd had plenty of time and information to figure what was going on in their plane.

I'm no supporter of an America that supports the death penalty nor the gung-ho adventure in the Middle East that threatens to become another Vietnam, but I am firmly convinced that these CTers contribute absolutely nothing to a world that is in deep turmoil.

M.

 

[delphi_ote]

Oh man, that's funny! A B2 flew over the WTC projecting a holographic image?! I've seen a B2 in flight before, they're absolutely gigantic and would have been seen by everyone and there would be video and pics galore of it. They're invisible to radar, not the naked eye! Good grief...

A B2? Don't be silly. It was the Spruce Goose!

 

[kookbreaker]

I just love how people get their understanding of light and optics from watching old cartoons.

 

[brodski]

I just love how people get their understanding of light and optics from watching old cartoons.

hey, I get alll my knowledge of physics from cartoons. I'm working on a theory that WTC7 was brought down by a giant falling anvil, and a big round shrapnel cannon ball with the word "bomb" written on it in white lettering, just to make sure.

 

[Nyarlathotep]

Noooo...

Just...look...

gallerize.com/What_Is_The_Hologram_Theory.htm

I will come back to debate as soon as the s***storm at work dies down...

Ye gads.

I like further down on the page where they propose a theory that UFOS did it (shades of Carlos/Latin and his "hat shaped paranormal object" spring to mind). Someone apparently finds it perfectly logical that hostile aliens would come all the way to Earth, blow up a couple of buildings then leave as mysteriously as they came.

Nothing wrong with THAT logic.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Interesting how this thread attracts the, er, dissenters, but only one at a time. Each posts a few, disappears, then the next one approaches the gates to do battle.

Not that I'm suggesting a conspiracy...

 

[chipmunk stew]

Noooo...

Just...look...

http://gallerize.com/What_Is_The_Hologram_Theory.htm

I will come back to debate as soon as the s***storm at work dies down...

I think geggy is suggesting that this website is gov't disinfo, not that he/she supports what it says.

At least I hope that was the point of posting it.

geggy, I'm very interested in reading your reply to the serious responses you have gotten.

 

[CptColumbo]

Some of you have proven to me that you lack any knowledge of how
building implosion works...

It's interesting that, as you may have already read the highly unconvincing Popular Mechannic's article debunking the sept 11 CT, was written by Chertoff's son.

You've just proven that you have not done you're research. They are not father-son, they are cousins. Personally I don't talk to my cousins very often, except at the holidays, they have no say in how I perform my job, and I certainly wouldn't cover-up the cause of the death of 3000 people for them (I wouldn't even do that for my immediate family). Also, he only edited the article, others did the research, he compiled all their data into a easily digested piece. If the data had been altered or exagerated before it was published, the structural engineers, metalurgists, physicists, and other researchers who worked on the article would have said something. It's an interesting fact, but with all the independent verifiable data, it proves nothing.

Futher, how is it that the Gov't was able to pull off such a vast and complicated manuever, but were unable to plant WMD's in Iraq to back up their claims? How could they have bungled the Katrina recovery? How could they not be able to find Osama? How could they not cover-up the Cheney shooting (how many people would they need for that)? How could Larry the Cable Guy: Health Inspector be allowed to be released? How could they not silence all the CTs on the internet?

IMO the majority of the evidence points to the the official story being the best explanation and the most plausible. But go to the library and research the issue in books. I'm not asking you to get an engineering degree, but do some independent research on *your own*. If you are really that adamant about your beliefs and feel the truth is being kept from the American public, you'll get off your butt, stop posting in forums, and get the data you need to prove your case on your own.

Keep in mind that this is a sensitive subject. Avoid being advesarial when requesting the data you need.

 

[Gravy]

geggy,

I looked at that infoclearinghouse article you pointed us to. I started reading the first of Davis's 22 points, and immediately red flags went up. There weere no references or footnotes for the claims he was making.

But at the bottom of the page is a bibliography (incomplete at that.)

So I'm supposed to go to the library and pull out 8 books and read them all just to check a few of his sources?

This guy's got a PhD, for cryin' out loud. Are you telling me he doesn't know how to cite references?

Of course he does. So why doesn't he? Your opinion?

 

[Ramooone]

ok,if the government planned 9/11 and used that as an excuse to go to war, why would they pick the hardest most ridiculous plan to pull off?

i can just imagine the brainstorming in that room...

"Ok, lets blow up the WTC i got this buddy in CD who isnt doing anything and he'd be glad to do it"
"OOOH, how about we have planes hit the WTC first then we blow up the bombs!"
"Don't worry, larry said he'd take care of WTC 7"
"We can have a plane fly to cleveland, drop off the passengers and then shoot it down over pennsylvania!"
"the way i figure it, theres only going to be like 10 people involved so covering it will be easy, we wont have to shutup the hundreds of thousands of people that would normally be involved with something this big!"

Those are actual quotes from people in the administration, i read it on bigfoots website so it must be true!

CT'ers make me laugh.
They grow up so fast, i remember when they were Conspiracy hypothesists, now they're theorists and tomorrow they may be full blown idiots. i think i'm gonna cry...

 

[strathmeyer]

A B2? Don't be silly. It was the Spruce Goose!

The Spruce Goose? Don't be silly! Everyone knows it can't really fly! It must've been held up by a B2!

 

[brodski]

I think geggy is suggesting that this website is gov't disinfo, not that he/she supports what it says.

At least I hope that was the point of posting it.

geggy, I'm very interested in reading your reply to the serious responses you have gotten.

is geggy suggesting that the US (and the world) has such a shortage of complete nutbars that the govt needs to invent them?

 

[aggle-rithm]

The Spruce Goose? Don't be silly! Everyone knows it can't really fly! It must've been held up by a B2!

There you go! Keep introducing those unnecessary entities! You'll make a conspiracy theorist yet.

(And the B2, being overburdened, was held up by a blimp! Witnesses were all silenced.)

 

[aggle-rithm]

I think geggy is suggesting that this website is gov't disinfo, not that he/she supports what it says.

At least I hope that was the point of posting it.

geggy, I'm very interested in reading your reply to the serious responses you have gotten.

At least his credulity seems to have limits. His unwillingness to dismiss all the Pentagon attack witnesses would surely get him promptly banned from the Loose Change forum.

 

[brodski]

CT'ers make me laugh.
They grow up so fast, i remember when they were Conspiracy hypothesists, now they're theorists and tomorrow they may be full blown idiots. i think i'm gonna cry...