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wasn't that tap the point when you realized you were a sentient being?

No. It's a non-sequitor. Your god does not follow from any assumed fundamental properties of the universe, people or anything else. It's got competition from other fictional characters with just as much claim to being real.
 
Hi RF, and you can count on it! If God said it we can believe it. I don't understand why after your service as a missionary you turned away from the faith?
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. --1 Corinthians 13:11

Mentally and emotionally I grew up.

I would just like to encourage you to give God your heart. The days truely are evil and Jesus is coming back just like He said He would!
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. --Matthew 16:28 It's been more than 2,000 years, come on, let's get it over with. Sheesh.

Romans 3:23-24.....
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
Sorry, there is no reason to believe this. It's just 2,000 year old mythology. That it is written down in some book doesn't make it true.

Kathy, you are governed by an inanimate belief. It controls your life. It is a pied piper that you follow without reason. You are no different than a Muslim, Hindu, Scientologist, Jehovah's Witness or Sikh. They all sacrifice for their pet beliefs. They all bow before it and serve it simply because they believe. Each believing that there's is the one true religion.
 
No. It's a non-sequitor. Your god does not follow from any assumed fundamental properties of the universe, people or anything else. It's got competition from other fictional characters with just as much claim to being real.

I'm still claiming to be part of Gods lab experiment X7n so we're talking apples and oranges about gods. genetically we can be traced back to one mother. sitting around the campfire stories were told, some had some truth to them. some of them were filtered through sphincters like me maybe even embellished a little. some made it down to us today. there may little grains of truth in our current stories. documentation past a certain date is pretty hard to get. and still they keep burning books. that all I'm saying.
 
sitting around the campfire stories were told, some had some truth to them. some of them were filtered through sphincters like me maybe even embellished a little. some made it down to us today. there may little grains of truth in our current stories. documentation past a certain date is pretty hard to get. and still they keep burning books. that all I'm saying.

There's pleanty of truth to be found in ancient stories. Mostly the truths we can see are common to them all - stories about human nature, about how people perceived themselves and what made their culture theirs.

The truth we will not find from ancient people sitting around a campfire - nor modern people for that matter - and telling each other stories is the nature of reality.

So the truth of the matter is that the Bible contains some interesting stories from ancient Middle Eastern societies but it does not contain the answers to the universe any more than any other ancient myths. Looking to it for a supernatural entity is no more sensible than looking to the Greeks, Norse, Native Americans, Chinese, Indian etc...
 
That's a nice story; maybe you could leave it for the campfires though? Out here is the real world.

for one thing i hate (metaphorically of course) camp fires no mater where i sit the wind blows the smoke in my face. having traveled out of the country a little, explain what you mean by the real world?
 
for one thing i hate (metaphorically of course) camp fires no mater where i sit the wind blows the smoke in my face. having traveled out of the country a little, explain what you mean by the real world?

The world that remains after the stories have been told.

Stories are nice but they remain stories.
 
the world thats living on less than a dollar a day and dieing from bad water that one?

That one what?

Reality is what I'm talking about - not whatever your idea of the most terrible conditions humans currently live in as an exemplar of the concept that the 'real world' is somehow a niche occupied by the aforemeantioned with those in more fortunate circumstances occupying something somehow 'less real'.
 
its a three class system. the very rich, the techno's then the rest is how i see it. individually we have a choose collectively is when it bogs down the world can or not it a choice. its the nature of lab project X7n
 
how bout a spirit occupying a sentient biochemicalelectrical transport system

I don't believe in souls or spirits being the "spark" for our consciousness, if that is your question. I think that it is more likely that our status as self-aware, biological entities is the result of the structure of our brains evolving and growing more complex over millions of years of evolution.

I'm not an expert in biology or physiology, so I'll leave any further explinations to those more knowledgable in these subjects.
 
Yep. That's he one. The same one you want to escape by believing in fairy tales. Having an imaginary friend doesn't make the water any better.[/Q

then my "imaginary" friend skeptically speaking then can be proven or disproven although thats never stopped anyone yet and if I wanted escapism this isn't the place.
 
then my "imaginary" friend skeptically speaking then can be proven or disproven

No, skeptically speaking you have to prove you have a real friend, otherwise we're going to continue to assume it's in your head.
 
Care to rephrase that as a sentence?

as individuals we have free choice. it as a collective where the free part of choice starts to cost us. we as a collective can feed the world or not. but it all comes down to a individuals free choice. why else would a intelligent species cause or try to cause its own extinction.
 

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