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New BBFC research reveals 1 in 3 adult pornography users exposed to violent or abusive content online in last three months (a survey of 2,021 porn users)
Users most often reported having seen depictions of physical violence (19%), such as strangulation, with 62% of all respondents thinking that depictions of physical violence are normalised in online pornography. 64% of those surveyed agreed that violent or abusive pornography is contributing to the normalisation of violent sexual behaviour in the real world.
President of the British Board of Film Classification, Natasha Kaplinsky OBE said: “The BBFC has long been concerned about the increasingly violent and abusive pornography so easily accessible online. Our findings that 1 in 3 adult pornography users have been exposed to such content in the last three months is shocking, but sadly it is not surprising.
 
I do wonder why you want to present the editorialized version and not just link us to the paper produced by the actual survey company, since it's right there on the page you linked to, and you know how obnoxious we all are about wanting to see where on earth the data being used comes from. The surveyor's page for this is here, and has a link to their full workup, which is pretty interesting.


The only thing they didn't detail, which I would have liked to know and which IMO is important in evaluating the results, is where and how they reached out to find people to take the survey. Especially given what seems to me to be a huge overrepresentation of reporting accessing porn on porn sites over social media. It's difficult to find much info about the survey company themselves, besides abysmal Glassdoor reviews. Kind of relevant is this paragraph from an employee review, though of course my putting it here could be seen as attacking the messenger:

The research itself often feels surface-level and presentation-driven, prioritising polished outputs over depth or critical insight. It is closer to market research than rigorous social research and is frequently positioned in ways that support proposed policy directions rather than independently interrogating them. Given that this is research that is mostly funded through government and public sector budgets, it raises uncomfortable questions about public funding priorities in the UK and the role of such agencies as providers of independent evidence, particularly in a context where academic institutions are facing ongoing cuts.

They also have a couple of workups on the stuff that bugs me, personally, far more than what's on actual porn websites: hypersexualised content on mainstream platforms. For example one about sexualized tiktoks as advertising for porn: https://think.revealingreality.co.uk/onlyfansfunnel

Though they do point out that users do indeed have to go looking and following a bunch of links to get from this content to actual porn. And everything's in one bucket: hypersexualised people wiggling things at you are presented in the same breath as things like normal girl next door talking non-explicitly sexy to you, content.
 
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Seems kind of disingenuous to give Poem grief for doing something that people do on this forum all the time.
I mean. It's annoying when anybody does it; I'm complaining about it here cause I'm in this thread (and I'm actually interested in the sources) ;)
 
You made it the thread's business because you have made the claim. How many videos have you seen that have something related to a hand being placed on a neck?
None of your goddamn business.

Gabby Bertin
I don't know who that is, but a brief look at her Wikipedia page tells me that she is a Baroness and a conservative member of the House of Lords, which does not give me confidence. Going a little deeper links her with a "charity" that actually appears to have been a political action front for the Conservative Party and which was shut down for irregular practices. So yeah, I have little to no faith in her impartiality.
 
None of your goddamn business.


I don't know who that is, but a brief look at her Wikipedia page tells me that she is a Baroness and a conservative member of the House of Lords, which does not give me confidence. Going a little deeper links her with a "charity" that actually appears to have been a political action front for the Conservative Party and which was shut down for irregular practices. So yeah, I have little to no faith in her impartiality.
I don't think individual politicians are supposed to be impartial. I think Poem's actual concept here is that politicians are respectable and authoritative, and this one agrees with Poem's position, therefore you must concede that Poem's position is respectable.

Of course the concept disintegrates if you don't a priori view politicians as respectable and authoritative.

The general lack of a priori respect for politicians and political activist has been communicated to Poem more than once before, as a basis for dismissing Poem's appeals to "authority".
 
Of course the concept disintegrates if you don't a priori view politicians as respectable and authoritative.
This one's not even a politician. She's a life peer - a Baroness who received the accolade for her work in David Cameron's government and who only has a seat in the British Parliament due to that institution's roots in the mediaeval aristocracy. Members of the House of Lords are not elected. They are either appointed (as she was) or they inherit it. Or they're a Bishop or Archbishop in the Anglican church.

Actually, I just learned something new. The last hereditary peers were removed from the House of Lords in April of this year. Now they're all appointed life peers. And yes, that means that they hold the title for life. So thank you Poem for giving me the opportunity to add to my store of knowledge.
 
The BBFC submission to the UK women and equalities parliamentary committee (May 2025)
The result is that a very large volume of violent, abusive material that would never be approved for offline distribution has become widely accessible to UK pornography users, normalising aberrant acts and attitudes and fuelling harms predominantly affecting children and women. We see the impact in the widely documented rise in choking during sex: an activity that can lead to death or serious injury, and that would be subject to BBFC cuts under the VRA.
The British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) is the not-for-profit independent regulator for film and video in the UK. Regarding Bertin's review, they said:
The BBFC strongly supports Baroness Bertin’s recommendations
 
The BBFC submission to the UK women and equalities parliamentary committee (May 2025)

The British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) is the not-for-profit independent regulator for film and video in the UK. Regarding Bertin's review, they said:
"The result is that a very large volume of violent, abusive material that would never be approved for offline distribution has become widely accessible to UK pornography users," - simply don't believe them it is their typical mendacious machinations to try and insert themselves and remain relevant. I am sure if you go hunting for non-mainstream porn you can find it. But then if you go hunting enough on the web you can find anything. There is a world of difference to accessing the mainstream porn sites and hunting for often very illegal material. They are trying to conflate the two. I am now certain that they also class any touching or holding of the neck by a performer as violent strangulation.
 
I don't know who that is, but a brief look at her Wikipedia page tells me that she is a Baroness and a conservative member of the House of Lords, which does not give me confidence.
Why?
Going a little deeper links her with a "charity" that actually appears to have been a political action front for the Conservative Party and which was shut down for irregular practices. So yeah, I have little to no faith in her impartiality.
The issue is what?
 
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"The result is that a very large volume of violent, abusive material that would never be approved for offline distribution has become widely accessible to UK pornography users," - simply don't believe them it is their typical mendacious machinations to try and insert themselves and remain relevant. I am sure if you go hunting for non-mainstream porn you can find it. But then if you go hunting enough on the web you can find anything. There is a world of difference to accessing the mainstream porn sites and hunting for often very illegal material. They are trying to conflate the two. I am now certain that they also class any touching or holding of the neck by a performer as violent strangulation.
Why don't you believe them? Why are you sure they are conflating such content?
They gave evidence to the women and equalities committee - and the UK government has pledged to halve VAWG (violence against women and girls) by 2034.

You have cited DVDs (or a DVD) that they have approved even though the actors looked young.
 
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The issue is that as a conservative life peer, I don't recognise her authority or her impartiality.
My understanding is that it is normal practice to appoint peers for non-statutory policy reviews - and her recommendation to ban NFS in porn has been adopted by a Labour government no less.

She has never bee an elected politican.

Why shouldn't she be trusted?
 
5pm, like clockwork.


I didn't say she shouldn't be trusted, I said I had little faith in her impartiality.
A conservative peer who took advice from academics, the police, the BBFC and medical bodies (and the open call for evidence included those within the porn industry). If a Labour government has adopted some of her recommendations then that gives some credit to her work.

You still haven't given a substantive reason to doubt it's integrity.
 
Because she cannot help but insert her personal conservative bias into the investigation! That's what people do - their political outlook weighs in on their political decisions. Conservatives are historically correlated very strongly with the religious, especially in the United Kingdom where there is explicitly no separation of church and state, and the religious are historically correlated very strongly with moralism over sex and sexuality. So no, I don't believe that she can possibly be impartial about something like porn.
 
Why don't you believe them? Why are you sure they are conflating such content?
They gave evidence to the women and equalities committee - and the UK government has pledged to halve VAWG (violence against women and girls) by 2034.

You have cited DVDs (or a DVD) that they have approved even though the actors looked young.
Because I went and looked.
 

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