Mojo
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Homeopathy is regarded/thought of as an effective treatment.
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The behaviour of UK police officers.
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Carrot Flower King
Janitor of Lunacy
Would you support the notion, nay assertion, that I've made previously? That being, that every officer, at some point in their career, turns/turned bad even marginally?
Y'know what I mean, things like getting a wee bit heavy during the arrest? Gilding the lily a touch on a report? Looking the other way? Taking a cheeky personal freebie? Maybe neglecting to declare the odd unmanageable debt or CCJ to hide a moderate conflict of interest?
How about shagging another officer in a patrol car like officer Hamish X from the XXXXXX force back in the 80's? He got caught and nothing was done. Maybe that was because his relative, inspector Alex X (now deceased) went a wee bit bad himself and helped smooth things over.
Things like that Nessie.
Or a sergeant (male) at a station I know of who had an affair with a junior colleague (female), then, following a messy divorce, used his other colleagues to harass his ex (and coincidentally his 2 kids) - patrol cars repeatedly calling at the house in the middle of the night, patrol cars following her down the street and a whole lot more.
Ex complained a couple of times, but the paperwork just vanished and she was warned off by one of the inspectors.
Both bairns were my patients at one time or another, with anxiety and depression; I referred mum on to adult services for treatment of depression; I supported an application to move house to get away from the area covered by this station.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
That is a false equivalence... homeopathy is a belief system that relies on the placebo effect.
When a person lodges a format complaint by submitting a notification to the Attorney General's Office detailing an individual's abusive litigious behavior, do you think that person considers the individual to be a vexatious litigant, or do you think they are just submitting it for the ◊◊◊◊◊ and giggles?
Mojo
Mostly harmless
Probably, yes, but that's doesn't mean that the courts, or even the Attorney General, will agree.
What "abusive litigious behavior" has been detailed?
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Complaints Against Public Figures & Activists:
Graham Linehan: Reported to police by Watson over social media posts.
Harry Miller: Multiple complaints by Watson to Lincolnshire Police alleging harassment and hate speech in tweets (which followed Watson being dismissed for trolling Miller)
Helen Joyce: Reported by Watson to the police regarding social media posts about a panel discussion
Cathy Larkman: Reported to police by Watson for "dead-naming" an activist on social media, prompting a 10-month police investigation.
Charlotte Cadden: Reported to police by Watson accusing her of 'spreading hate' across the UK.
Complaints Against Legal and Professional Bodies:
Sarah Phillimore: Watson filed a formal complaint with the Bar Standards Board after Phillimore made comments he didn't like on a television programme.
Fair Cop: Watson reported them to the anti-terrorism unit approximately 60 times, labelling them "domestic terrorists" and a "hate group"
Sandie Peggie Case Legal Team: An anonymous account linked to Watson encouraged a "citizen's arrest" of the judge and defending lawyers during an employment tribunal in Scotland.
Historical Workplace Disputers: Pursued industrial tribunals and discrimination cases against the following...
The British Transport Police Federation
The National Board for Nursing
The Ministry of Defence dating back to the late 1990s and early 2000s.
High Court Judicial Reviews (Challenging Dismissed Complaints):
Greater Manchester Police: Launched a High Court challenge after the police refused to criminally prosecute Stuart Campbell (Wings Over Scotland editor) over his commentary regarding the murder of Brianna Ghey. Claim dismissed
Against Helen Joyce Decison: Requested a High Court judicial review to challenge the police's refusal to pursue a full criminal investigation into Helen Joyce's social media posts. Claim Dismissed
Against Police Appeals Tribunal: Instigated legal action against the tribunal and Leicestershire Police to challenge his dismissal for gross misconduct. Claim dismissed.
Enough?
ETA: Oh, and for the usual suspects who will whinge that this is all about trans stuff and doesn't belong in this thread... NO. You're wrong!
Lynsay Watson is a former Police Officer (real name Alex Horwood) whose harrassment of people he disagrees with started WHILE he was a serving police officer. He used other police officers to do his dirty work - and they did so willingly. He was fired FOR HIS BEHAVIOUR AS A UK POLICE OFFICER.
NO details of the merits or otherwise of gender ideology have been, or will be debated in this thread - only the behaviour of this former police officer, and the behaviour of his colleagues and former colleagues is up for discussion.
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Mojo
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Most of those are irrelevant. The only ones there that would be relevant to an application to declare someone a vexatious litigant would be the Industrial Tribunal and judicial review applications. Even then it wouldn’t be enough for them merely to have been dismissed. Were any of them found by a court to be totally without merit?
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
One can be a gigantic number, when they have the state on their side.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Frivolous complaints to Police are not irrelevant. They can be, and have been, used as evidence to establish a pattern of behavior in a Vexatious Litigant context in the UK, particularly when seeking a Criminal Proceedings Order or an All Proceedings Order under Section 42 of the Senior Courts Act 1981
See:
Waxman v Foster [2010] EWHC 1329 (QB)
Wei v Long (2025) EWHC 912 (KB)
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Andy_Ross
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A serving police officer has been arrested on suspicion of sexual communication with a child and misconduct in a public office.
Durham Police said the 31-year-old had been arrested in the early hours of Friday.
It said the officer remained in police custody and had been immediately suspended from his role pending a criminal investigation.
The BBC understands the officer was arrested off duty and taken into custody in a different force area.
www.bbc.co.uk
Durham Police said the 31-year-old had been arrested in the early hours of Friday.
It said the officer remained in police custody and had been immediately suspended from his role pending a criminal investigation.
The BBC understands the officer was arrested off duty and taken into custody in a different force area.
Durham police officer arrested on suspicion of child sex offence
The force says the 31-year-old has been suspended from his role pending an investigation.
www.bbc.co.uk
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Here's one that goes the other way...
archive.is
Woke judges not dealing with offenders properly. On the one hand, you have Lucy Connolly, very unlikely to commit a repeat offence, and yet remanded to custody for a Tweet, while this piece of scum took thousands of photos of people, many of them children, and used software to turn them into sexually explicit images, including by digitally removing their clothing. Many of the photos were taken the bedroom window of his Enfield flat, which looked out on to a children’s playground. Then, despite pleading guilty, the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ judge bailed him back that same flat while he awaited sentencing. That is seriously ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up...
Maybe these images might shed some light on why the paedophile gets such preferential treatment....
Rowley attacks justice system after paedophile bailed to flat near pl…
archived 24 Sep 2026 17:05:10 UTC
Rowley attacks justice system after paedophile bailed to flat near playground
Metropolitan Police Commissioner says children were ‘let down’ after sex offender was freed to return to community
Rowley appeared outside Wood Green Crown Court on Thursday afternoon.
“It is not often you will see me outside court following a sentencing, but I’m here because this case is yet another example of victims being let down by a criminal justice system that too often fails to put their safety first,” he said.
“And in this case, those victims were children. Ever increasing volumes of cases are raised with me by angry and sometimes upset officers who are doing all they can to protect victims and communities but feel hamstrung by a justice system that makes seemingly unfathomable decisions.”
Woke judges not dealing with offenders properly. On the one hand, you have Lucy Connolly, very unlikely to commit a repeat offence, and yet remanded to custody for a Tweet, while this piece of scum took thousands of photos of people, many of them children, and used software to turn them into sexually explicit images, including by digitally removing their clothing. Many of the photos were taken the bedroom window of his Enfield flat, which looked out on to a children’s playground. Then, despite pleading guilty, the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ judge bailed him back that same flat while he awaited sentencing. That is seriously ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up...
Maybe these images might shed some light on why the paedophile gets such preferential treatment....
Mojo
Mostly harmless
I haven't been able to find Waxman v Foster;* do you have a link to the judgment?
The judgment in Wei v Long can be seen here. It is a claim for damages for defamation and harassment, and an injunction to prevent further defamation and harassment. There is no mention of a vexatious litigant order, or of a Criminal Proceedings Order or an All Proceedings Order, or any sort of Civil Restraint Order.
*ETA: I have, however, found a reference to Re Whiting [2010] EWHC 1329 (QB). I wonder whether Ayinde v London Borough of Haringey [2025] EWHC 1383 (Admin) might be relevant here.
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Gulliver Foyle
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You know all the complaints against named persoms are against known and vocal transphobic bigots who regularly engage in public acts of hate speech. And you also know that the complaints are valid and should be acted upon.
Mojo
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Who would have thought that obvious racism would be obvious?
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smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
1. Take it to the thread you're too scared post in. Your expressed opinion is off topic here!
2. The British Transport Police Federation, The National Board for Nursing, The Ministry of Defence and the Greater Manchester Police are all transphobic bigots? That's good to know - thanks for the information
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smartcooky
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Indeed, that was my thought too.
smartcooky
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That's my mistake. I made a typo, and now I can't find the original closed tab. However, the case I wanted to refer to is the Clair Waxman affair.
Claire Waxman OBE (the Victims' Commissioner for London) is a high-profile stalking survivor who pioneered legal recognition for how abusers use official structures to target victims. Her stalker subjected her to a campaign of harassment that lasted decades. She managed to get a restraining or against him to stop him from contacting her, so he embarked on a campaign of weaponising the legal system to launch a torrent of filing vexatious civil defamation claims and making baseless police complaints.
Waxman's case led to a landmark High Court ruling against the Crown Prosecution Service.... R (on the application of Claire Waxman) v Crown Prosecution Service, handed down on 2 February 2012. The CPS failed to protect her, establishing that bringing groundless civil claims and police complaints can constitute a criminal breach of a restraining order and act as a continuation of stalking/harassment. It is now heavily embedded in CPS guidance that forcing a victim's attention through official structures (including frivolous police reports) is a standard tactic of coercive control and stalking.
In the UK, when the Attorney General applies for a Civil, Criminal, or All Proceedings Order under Section 42 of the Senior Courts Act 1981, the court looks at the entire pattern of behavior of the vexatious litigant. Section 42 does specifically restrict a person from initiating legal proceedings without a judge's permission, but a pattern of making continuous, frivolous complaints to the police or regulatory bodies is routinely introduced as corroborative evidence. Even if police complaints do not technically constitute "legal proceedings" on their own, they demonstrate the litigant's underlying hostility and lack of bona fide intent. They prove to the court that the individual's use of the legal system is dishonest, and is simply a tool to cause harm to the target of their animus.
Additionally, The Protection from Harassment Act 1997 recognizes that indirect contact such as repeatedly feeding false reports to the police to spark an investigation against someone is an actionable tort of harassment.
Therefore, I stand by my earlier statement that "Frivolous complaints to Police are not irrelevant. They can be, and have been, used as evidence to establish a pattern of behavior in a Vexatious Litigant context in the UK"
The way Claire Waxman's stalker behaved is pretty much identical to the way Lynsay Watson stalks and harasses his targets.
There is more about the Claire Waxman case here:
Victim stalked for almost 20 years calls sentence 'an insult'
Claire Waxman says the criminal justice system treats victims "appallingly" and needs to be reviewed.
www.bbc.com
Mojo
Mostly harmless
That can be found here. I've taken the liberty of reading it. It's actually about whether a restraining order made under section 5 of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997 applies to court applications. It doesn't say anything about criteria for vexatious litigant/civil restraint orders. Are you sure Ayinde isn't relevant?
Are you quoting that from somewhere?
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Carrot Flower King
Janitor of Lunacy
Do you mean the Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC), which is the professional regulatory body for UK nursing?
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Yes. Watson became outraged that they classified him as male
smartcooky
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No. Its simply what I have put together from reading the content of various UK solicitors and law firm websites such as Harper-James, DAC Beachcroft, BrettWilson et al. Its the conclusions I have drawn.
I'm not seeing any specific exclusions to the the types of evidence you can provide in a vexatious litigant complaint, other than the usual such as hearsay, irrelevance or evidence obtained unlawfully. Frivolous complaints to police would not be covered by that.
Are you claiming that frivolous police complaints would be excluded as evidence in a vexatious litigant action? If so, perhaps you could show me some evidence of that? I'm not seeing any exclusions listed here, as examples...
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List of vexatious litigants, banned from starting court cases without permission.
Civil Restraints Orders for Vexatious Litigants | LegalVision UK
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Vexatious Litigants in the UK | Sprintlaw UK
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