Merged Concerns over baby killer ignored? / Nurse Lucy Letby killed babies in her care

[Vixen]

The problem is that she was told she had to begin from the premise that Letby actually did what she was convicted of doing.

Junior Barrister Mark MacDonald believes Letby should have taken part in the Thirlwall Inquiry and also be represented party at the babies' inquests.

He tells Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph:

CT: Also distressing to the families of the victims perhaps, Mark.

MM: Yeah. Well, yes, it would have been, but that's not my, you know, my job is to represent my client. And you know,here's the thing. You know, I grew up in I grew up in Birmingham and I remember hearing the bombs go off in Birmingham... the two IRA bombs. And I remember the fallout and the victims that happened after that. And I remember my school, the windows were smashed in as a result. It was a Catholic school and all those victims that that died and were seriously injured and all the families. But then six men were put on trial for that crime and then later they were found to be innocent. That doesn't stop the people being victims. It doesn't stop the relatives having but what they're going to get and what they now have is the truth. Yes.

MM: And the same is with every miscarriage of justice. There's going to be a victim of course of it, but that doesn't mean we all shut up shop and don't

I think that's the argument of the pro-Letbyists here. The crimes happened but it wasn't Letby 'wot dunnit'. Must have been the NHS.

 

[Rolfe]

And?

 

[smartcooky]

When the terms of reference exclude any discussion of the culpability of Letby, the result of such an enquiry becomes meaningless.

 

[Vixen]

When the terms of reference exclude any discussion of the culpability of Letby, the result of such an enquiry becomes meaningless.

Here's a reference for you: "I killed them on purpose."

If that's not enough, "I did this. I am evil."

 

[smartcooky]

Here's a reference for you: "I killed them on purpose."

If that's not enough, "I did this. I am evil."

You're both misunderstanding and intentionally mischaracterizing the context of those notes.

This has been explained to you multiple times by multiple people.

 

[Vixen]

You're both misunderstanding and intentionally mischaracterizing the context of those notes.

This has been explained to you multiple times by multiple people.

How so? Her supporters claim she was told to write this by therapists. This turns out to be a blatant lie.

There is a strange custom in the UK. If someone is convicted of a crime, it is taken as a statement of fact. Therefore, there was no need for Lady Justice Thirlwall to discuss Letby's possible innocence.

Just be glad Letby didn't get her hands on your newborn kids.

 

[catsmate]

Here's a reference for you: "I killed them on purpose."

If that's not enough, "I did this. I am evil."

We've already covered these out of context quotes in detail. Your posting of them says much about your desperation.

 

[catsmate]

When the terms of reference exclude any discussion of the culpability of Letby, the result of such an enquiry becomes meaningless.

Indeed, the acceptance by Thirlwall LJ of the exclusion of Letby's guilt from her remit and her decision to continue looks more and more like a mistake.

 

[catsmate]

How so? Her supporters claim she was told to write this by therapists.

Evidence?

 

[Vixen]

Evidence?

Do keep up!

Merged Post in thread 'Concerns over baby killer ignored? / Nurse Lucy Letby killed babies in her care'

Mar 3, 2026

More nonsense from Felicity Lawrence - who lied to GUARDIAN readers that a therapist told Letby to write her post-it notes - Professor Hindmarsh was legally obliged to disclose his disciplinary actions, as an expert witness, and the defence was legally obliged to have the same disclosure. Ben Myers had every opportunity to challenge Hindmarsh's opinion, which had been deemed by Justice Goss as permissible. It was brought up at the trial so hardly qualifies as new evidence under the point of law needed to be granted an appeal.

• Vixen

 

[Vixen]

Indeed, the acceptance by Thirlwall LJ of the exclusion of Letby's guilt from her remit and her decision to continue looks more and more like a mistake.

Please read the Thirlwall Report for yourself and let us know if you think the NHS executives should have carried on turning a blind eye.

The Report | The Thirlwall Inquiry

Examining the events at the Countess of Chester Hospital and their implications following the trial, and subsequent convictions, of former neonatal nurse Lucy Letby of murder and attempted murder of babies at the hospital.

thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk

Welcome to the real world.

 

[smartcooky]

‘I am evil I did this’: Lucy Letby’s so-called confessions were written on advice of counsellors

Prosecutors used densely written Post-its to build case against nurse, but she was told to write down her feelings to cope with extreme stress, sources say

www.theguardian.com

But in the same notes Letby also said: “Not good enough”, “Why me?”, “I haven’t done anything wrong”, “Police investigation slander discrimination victimisation”.​

Very conveniently forgotten by the prosecution and the anti-Letby crowd.

Also your claim "Her supporters claim she was told to write this by therapists. This turns out to be a blatant lie" is itself a bare-faced ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ lie!

Countess of Chester hospital’s own head of occupational health and wellbeing, Kathryn de Beger, encouraged Letby to write down her feelings as a way of coping with extreme stress. Letby’s Chester GP also advised her to write down thoughts she was struggling to process, according to these sources.​

David Wilson, a professor of criminology at Birmingham City University, who specialises in serial killers, said in his view the so-called confession notes were “meaningless” and had no value as evidence, particularly if they had been written as part of counselling.​

“Many people will say things when they are under stress and feeling bereft, that seem to imply one thing but mean nothing at all, other than reflecting the underlying stress.”​

​

“I always thought Letby’s notes were meaningless as evidence. If they were written as part of therapy you can underline that point three times and write it in bold and capital letters,” he added.​

 

[Vixen]

‘I am evil I did this’: Lucy Letby’s so-called confessions were written on advice of counsellors

Prosecutors used densely written Post-its to build case against nurse, but she was told to write down her feelings to cope with extreme stress, sources say

www.theguardian.com

But in the same notes Letby also said: “Not good enough”, “Why me?”, “I haven’t done anything wrong”, “Police investigation slander discrimination victimisation”.​

Very conveniently forgotten by the prosecution and the anti-Letby crowd.

Also your claim "Her supporters claim she was told to write this by therapists. This turns out to be a blatant lie" is itself a bare-faced ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ lie!

Countess of Chester hospital’s own head of occupational health and wellbeing, Kathryn de Beger, encouraged Letby to write down her feelings as a way of coping with extreme stress. Letby’s Chester GP also advised her to write down thoughts she was struggling to process, according to these sources.​

David Wilson, a professor of criminology at Birmingham City University, who specialises in serial killers, said in his view the so-called confession notes were “meaningless” and had no value as evidence, particularly if they had been written as part of counselling.​

“Many people will say things when they are under stress and feeling bereft, that seem to imply one thing but mean nothing at all, other than reflecting the underlying stress.”​

​

“I always thought Letby’s notes were meaningless as evidence. If they were written as part of therapy you can underline that point three times and write it in bold and capital letters,” he added.​

It is untrue. That article is one person's opinion.

 

[smartcooky]

Do keep up!

Merged Post in thread 'Concerns over baby killer ignored? / Nurse Lucy Letby killed babies in her care'

Mar 3, 2026

More nonsense from Felicity Lawrence - who lied to GUARDIAN readers that a therapist told Letby to write her post-it notes - Professor Hindmarsh was legally obliged to disclose his disciplinary actions, as an expert witness, and the defence was legally obliged to have the same disclosure. Ben Myers had every opportunity to challenge Hindmarsh's opinion, which had been deemed by Justice Goss as permissible. It was brought up at the trial so hardly qualifies as new evidence under the point of law needed to be granted an appeal.

• Vixen

Poppycock. You're lying again

Lucy Letby wrote ‘I am evil I did this’ notes ‘on advice of counsellors’

Lucy Letby’s ‘confession’ notes ‘meaningless’ as evidence, claims serial killer expert

www.independent.co.uk

Lucy Letby's 'confession' notes

The CPS has never said why it did not consider the notes to be confessions, legally speaking. Why is this?

www.mephitis.co

Lucy Letby wrote ‘I am evil’ 'confession note' on advice of counsellors after 'extreme stress', reports claim | LBC

A sticky note containing killer nurse Lucy Letby's alleged ‘I am evil’ confession was written on the advice of a hospital counsellor, it has been claimed.

www.lbc.co.uk

Lucy Letby's 'confession' notes 'were written as part of therapy'

Criminology expert dismisses child serial killer’s notes as ‘meaningless’ and of no value as evidence

www.standard.co.uk

Lucy Letby 'told to write confession notes as doubt thrown on key evidence'

Sources have made a shocking claim over notes that helped secure Lucy Letby's conviction

www.birminghammail.co.uk

 

[Vixen]

Poppycock. You're lying again

Lucy Letby wrote ‘I am evil I did this’ notes ‘on advice of counsellors’

Lucy Letby’s ‘confession’ notes ‘meaningless’ as evidence, claims serial killer expert

www.independent.co.uk

Verifying Device

Lucy Letby's 'confession' notes

The CPS has never said why it did not consider the notes to be confessions, legally speaking. Why is this?

www.mephitis.co

Lucy Letby wrote ‘I am evil’ 'confession note' on advice of counsellors after 'extreme stress', reports claim | LBC

A sticky note containing killer nurse Lucy Letby's alleged ‘I am evil’ confession was written on the advice of a hospital counsellor, it has been claimed.

www.lbc.co.uk

Lucy Letby's 'confession' notes 'were written as part of therapy'

Criminology expert dismisses child serial killer’s notes as ‘meaningless’ and of no value as evidence

www.standard.co.uk

Lucy Letby 'told to write confession notes as doubt thrown on key evidence'

Sources have made a shocking claim over notes that helped secure Lucy Letby's conviction

www.birminghammail.co.uk

"It has been claimed".


It's called rationalisation by people who because they cannot see the victims, see only the person in the dock and turn all of their sympathies onto the defendant instead.

So, faced with clear confessions, written of her own free will in her own spare time, Letby fans decide, 'Ah, someone must have made her write it', as the truth is just too dificult to bear. Reality is hard.

 

[smartcooky]

Furthermore, Kathryn de Beger has HERSELF confirmed this, not an opinion, a fact from that actual therapist..

https://archive.is/20240903221856/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/03/lucy-letbys-confession-notes-written-advice-counsellors/

Occupational health manager Kathryn de Beger stated that Lucy Letby's handwritten notes—including the phrase "I am evil I did this"—were consistent with a coping exercise where she wrote down jumbled, stressful thoughts, though reports emerged that sources close to the case indicated such journaling was done following stress-management and medical advice

So @Vixen, you have been caught lying... AGAIN!

 

[Vixen]

Furthermore, Kathryn de Beger has HERSELF confirmed this, not an opinion, a fact from that actual therapist..

https://archive.is/20240903221856/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/03/lucy-letbys-confession-notes-written-advice-counsellors/

Occupational health manager Kathryn de Beger stated that Lucy Letby's handwritten notes—including the phrase "I am evil I did this"—were consistent with a coping exercise where she wrote down jumbled, stressful thoughts, though reports emerged that sources close to the case indicated such journaling was done following stress-management and medical advice

So @Vixen, you have been caught lying... AGAIN!

Kathryn de Beger was a good friend of Letby's. They exchanged over 700 WhatsApp messages.

Look, do read de Beger's testimony at the Thirlwall Inquiry and during the trial instead of reading Felicity Lawrence and the 'Free Letby' brigade at the GUARDIAN.

If you prefer fantasy, i.e., that a therapist told Letby to write those notes, then I'll leave you to it, because for many people with 'hero' ideation, reality is too difficult to bear.

 

[Vixen]

Furthermore, Kathryn de Beger has HERSELF confirmed this, not an opinion, a fact from that actual therapist..

https://archive.is/20240903221856/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/03/lucy-letbys-confession-notes-written-advice-counsellors/

Occupational health manager Kathryn de Beger stated that Lucy Letby's handwritten notes—including the phrase "I am evil I did this"—were consistent with a coping exercise where she wrote down jumbled, stressful thoughts, though reports emerged that sources close to the case indicated such journaling was done following stress-management and medical advice

So @Vixen, you have been caught lying... AGAIN!

Here is the relevant page from the Thirlwall Report of the testimony of de Beger, 9th Oct should you wish to look it up.

So, when you said Kathryn de Beger, Occupational Support, said she told Letby to express her feelings in writing, you were being less than truthful, weren't you?

Please point us to where de Beger advised Letby to journal.


What your article actually says is:

But sources close to the case told The Guardian that Kathryn de Berger, head of occupational health and wellbeing at the hospital where she worked, had encouraged Letby to write down her feelings as a way of coping with extreme stress.

The sources also told the paper Letby’s Chester GP advised her to write down the thoughts she was struggling to process.

Why did you need to blatantly lie about this, Smarty Cooky? Is it because you knew it was spin but were happy to give support to a convicted serial child killer because truth doesn't actually matter to you?

Come on, please confirm you deliberately strayed from the truth to present a false narrative to make Letby's confessions seem innocuous.

 

[catsmate]

Do keep up!

Merged Post in thread 'Concerns over baby killer ignored? / Nurse Lucy Letby killed babies in her care'

Mar 3, 2026

More nonsense from Felicity Lawrence - who lied to GUARDIAN readers that a therapist told Letby to write her post-it notes - Professor Hindmarsh was legally obliged to disclose his disciplinary actions, as an expert witness, and the defence was legally obliged to have the same disclosure. Ben Myers had every opportunity to challenge Hindmarsh's opinion, which had been deemed by Justice Goss as permissible. It was brought up at the trial so hardly qualifies as new evidence under the point of law needed to be granted an appeal.

• Vixen

You might want to learn to comprehend what constitutes 'evidence'.......

 

[catsmate]

Please read the Thirlwall Report for yourself

I have looked at it. Unlike you.

and let us know if you think the NHS executives should have carried on turning a blind eye.

Nonsensical strawman.