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Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

Another misconception.

But, but, I read it on the internet, so by the standards of this thread I should now argue for 10 pages that I was actually correct...

But I won't. I'll just say, "Thank you!"

And ask that you go and correct the internet, so nobody else makes the same "misconception" I did. Thanks again.
 
Because 162 on the Wechsler scale is a 99.9 percentile. The other document claims 158 on the Cattell scale. 158 on the Cattell scale lands somewhere in the 130s on the Wechsler scale.

Care to explain yourself, @Vixen?
One test result is for one social club, pass mark 2%, the other refers to a test for a different one, pass mark >+sd 3.17
 
On the Wechsler and Stanford-Binet scales, a score of 62 is 2.533 standard deviations away from the mean and lies below 99.4% of those who take the test. From the evidence posted by @Vixen, it appears someone miscalculated the 99.4% as 99.9%. When compared to most of the other mistakes @Vixen has posted within this thread, that's a minor error.

And reporting 99.4% as 99.9% is only a small exaggeration, when compared to most of the others.

As for the 158, I suspect someone got the leading digit wrong, or perhaps the second photo is reporting someone else's test results. I note that the superimposed signatures ("Vixen") are identical, which means they were added after the photograph was taken, which means the evidentiary value of those photographs is nil.


The highlighted score is @JayUtah's mistake.

The Cattell Culture Fair Intelligence Test (CFIQ) maxes out at 152, so it is not even possible to score 162 (or 158!) on the Cattell scale. But a score of 62 is not only possible, but entirely plausible. (Edited to add a second citation for the fact that the CFIQ maxes out at 152. While I'm at it, I'll mention another possibility: The 62 might have been a raw score of 62%, which would then have to be converted to the scale of a normal distribution with μ=100 and σ=24 or σ=16. If that conversion was done by a member of Mensa, that conversion might have been done incorrectly.)

If the 62 was her score on the Cattell scale, then her score was only 1.583 or 2.375 standard deviations from the mean, depending on whether she took the original version of the Cattell test (with standard deviation of 24) or the more recent version (with standard deviation of 16). So her score lies outside only 94.43% or 99.1% of the population, depending on which test she took.

It seems, therefore, that she is only a single-niner or double-niner, depending on whether her score of 62 was for a standard deviation of σ=24 or σ=16.

That she is only a single-niner or double-niner is far more plausible. A true triple-niner, more than three standard deviations from the mean, would probably have a hard time dealing with the sophistication of this forum's software.


Do we really need more rhetorical questions?
Different criteria, different tests. Compare and contrast: Sir Clive Sinclair got 159, Carol Vorderman 154. What does it all mean? I don't know. <shrug>
 
Scientific proof that electromagnetic signals can be transmitted from the moon to earth without having to be relayed by a "geo-positioned" ( :ROFLMAO: ) satellite:
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(The top part of the moon is over-exposed because 1/8s at f/6.3 is too much exposure for a subject that's lit by direct sunlight. The rest of the moon is under-exposed because it's in shadow. This is of course today's lunar eclipse, near totality, less than an hour ago.)
Too cloudy here.
 
Scientific proof that electromagnetic signals can be transmitted from the moon to earth without having to be relayed by a "geo-positioned" ( :ROFLMAO: ) satellite:
View attachment 75091
(The top part of the moon is over-exposed because 1/8s at f/6.3 is too much exposure for a subject that's lit by direct sunlight. The rest of the moon is under-exposed because it's in shadow. This is of course today's lunar eclipse, near totality, less than an hour ago.)
Awesome site and image.
 
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Never in a rowboat. Don't know how to use a sextant. But when I was a kid I had tree-fort. I could use a flashlight to signal my brother, who was in the house. As long as he was in view, we could use Morse Code. And that's pretty much how NASA communicated with the Apollo LM while it was on the lunar surface, and how video was sent back to earth. All line-of-sight. No satellites required.

Pro-Tip: If you want to be a conspiracy theorist it's easier to argue that something secret happened, than it is to argue that something that did happen did not happen.

Example: WE LANDED ON THE MOON MULTIPLE TIMES. The Apollo program, along with the entire US Space Program, is not only the best documented event and project in human history, it's almost over-documented. Arguing that it didn't happen requires a long list of physics factors to be wrong, simple science to be wrong, and it requires most people to be stupider than the idiot trying to foist this CT. That's why every moon-landing hoax CTist is either an alcoholic, mentally ill, a con artist, a religious fanatic, or a mix of these factors.

This is why every one of Vixen's examples has blown up on the launch pad.

You can't have one CTist claiming Apollo was fake while another is claiming we secretly communicated with extraterrestrials during those same missions. And then there's the other cottage CT industry that claims there has been a secret space program, and not only is there a secret CIA base on the moon, but Mars as well, and we're working hand in hand with ET. This is the cesspool Vixen is willingly swimming in.
This is exactly the problem. The 'trust me' principle because, 'We're the good guys'. You make the same mistake as someone I know: anyone she's in disagreement with has some kind of personality defect. It's a form of self¨defence, rather than addressing the difference of opinion.
 
Vixen, let me explain what I’m asking and why, because you’re clearly doing your best to not actually answer me.

Earlier in the thread you made a couple of references to a “non-geopositioned satellite”. The second time you mentioned it, you did clarify what you meant somewhat, by saying “a non-Geopositioned satellite (i.e., one whose orbit matches the speed of that of the relevant planet”

That sounds like you’re referring to something along the lines of a geostationary or geosynchronous orbit. But it’s not clear because your language is quite vague (an orbit matching a planet’s speed could mean a variety of things, and it’s definitely not obvious that the planet’s “speed” refers to its rotation period).

All I’m asking you to do is to clarify what you meant when you brought up the term. Did you in fact mean geostationary (or selenostationary if you’re talking about something in orbit around the moon)? Or did you mean something else? I’ve looked up the term geopositioning and it seems like it doesn’t have anything to do with orbits, so you don’t seem to be using the common meaning of the term or any meaning I could find, this is why I’m asking what you mean when you use the term.

I’m genuinely puzzled as to how asking me questions about navigating using a sextant and stopwatch in 1887, or filming someone from a drone with a GoPro, preventing the background from whizzing by in video, etc. is meant to clarify or explain what you meant by a “geopositioned satellite”.

I’m not sure I can explain my request any clearer. Are you having difficulty understanding what I’m writing?

All I want to know is what do you mean by geopositioned, when you refer to a geopositioned (or non-geopositioned) satellite?
We will get there.
 
But, but, I read it on the internet, so by the standards of this thread I should now argue for 10 pages that I was actually correct...

But I won't. I'll just say, "Thank you!"

And ask that you go and correct the internet, so nobody else makes the same "misconception" I did. Thanks again.
Not a misconception of the internet. Your misconception that I worked for a non-registered-in-England corporation.
 
If you have a sextant and a watch, why use the stick?
A sextant and a chronometer could be utilised to calculate longitudinal positioning. I wanted JesseCuster to do some thinking as to how to calculate stuff logically, in this case, from the process of natural planetary movement. So I tried to get him to 'do the math', as they say in his part of the world, via an ordinary pocket watch.
 
A sextant and a chronometer could be utilised to calculate longitudinal positioning. I wanted JesseCuster to do some thinking as to how to calculate stuff logically, in this case, from the process of natural planetary movement. So I tried to get him to 'do the math', as they say in his part of the world, via an ordinary pocket watch.
What complete bollocks.
 
What you want him to do is irrelevant. You are supposed to be telling us in detail what you think a "non-geopositioned satellite" is.

You are not the teacher. You are the exam subject being tested for your knowledge of space and space exploration.
Perhaps he should think back to the analogy with a drone in Exercise 3.
 
It was a different section of the question, introducing new information.
All your previous sections followed from their predecessors. You wrote, "Kimo Säpi tells you that your coordinates are Latitude N 51° 07.6' 23.2" Longitude W 009° 43' 36.7", give or take a few nautical miles error margin." How did Kimo determine that, if not by the process you tried to describe in previous sections?

We all had a good laugh, not only at your lack of understanding of how precision works, but also your ongoing ineptitude in using primes notation.
 
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