Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

[Mojo]

That's what we've been telling you for months despite your garbled protests. The problem is that Allen and Weaver say that the lunar orbit television pictures could only have been taken from a spacecraft in selenostationary orbit, and they try to explain why such a spacecraft would be necessary and why it's impossible. I explained at length why their assumptions are wrong.

But that wasn't Vixen's claim. Vixen claimed that "the fact the Apollo missions did not utilise [a geopositioned satellite] should make you wonder at the miracle of the live transmission to earth."

That clearly implies a claim that a satellite would be necessary to transmit signals from the Moon to Earth.

 

[Vixen]

Here's an example of how black and white photography is perfectly capable of producing a starry night photo.

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[Jack by the hedge]

Here's an example of how black and white photography is perfectly capable of producing a starry night photo.

And what do you think that proves?

 

[wollery]

Here's an example of how black and white photography is perfectly capable of producing a starry night photo.

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AI slop, AGAIN!!!

 

[Mojo]

Here's an example of how black and white photography is perfectly capable of producing a starry night photo.

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...and?

 

[Vixen]

But that wasn't Vixen's claim. Vixen claimed that "the fact the Apollo missions did not utilise [a geopositioned satellite] should make you wonder at the miracle of the live transmission to earth."

That clearly implies a claim that a satellite would be necessary to transmit signals from the Moon to Earth.

If you paid attention, the claim is it would take special and onerous logistics to achieve a stationary image without a [=geo] selenostationary satellite, which could theoretically be done by localised means.

 

[Vixen]

...and?

It was claimed that use of superior b&w film was not feasible.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

If you paid attention, the claim is it would take special and onerous logistics to achieve a stationary image without a [=geo] selenostationary satellite, which could theoretically be done by localised means.

What stationary image?

 

[Mojo]

If you paid attention, the claim is it would take special and onerous logistics to achieve a stationary image without a [=geo] selenostationary satellite, which could theoretically be done by localised means.

I quoted your text, and linked to it. Couldn't you understand it?

 

[wollery]

Here's an example of how black and white photography is perfectly capable of producing a starry night photo.

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Also, not one person has denied that standard black and white (or even colour) film can be used to capture images of stars.

That was NEVER the point. The point is that you can't capture images of stars using the settings that were available on the Hasselblad cameras that the astronauts had on the Moon, because capturing images of stars wasn't an aim at that stage.

 

[JayUtah]

If you paid attention, the claim is it would take special and onerous logistics to achieve a stationary image...

The image was not stationary. It changed aspect.

 

[Mojo]

It was claimed that use of superior b&w film was not feasible.

Why would the the ability of a film type to produce "a starry night photo" be relevant to its suitability to photograph the sunlit lunar surface?

 

[wollery]

It was claimed that use of superior b&w film was not feasible.

Please link to anyone suggesting that.

Or retract it.

 

[JayUtah]

Here's an example of how black and white photography is perfectly capable of producing a starry night photo.

Film type? Exposure settings?

It was claimed that use of superior b&w film was not feasible.

No, no one claimed that.

The claim is that it takes tens of seconds to expose starts on Ektachrome ISO 160 film. You confirmed that to be the case. Practically any film can expose stars so long as the exposure settings are appropriate. However, no set of exposure settings for stars will also properly expose sunlit objects.

We told you this 400 pages ago.

 

[Mojo]

Film type? Exposure settings?


No, no one claimed that.

The claim is that it takes tens of seconds to expose starts on Ektachrome ISO 160 film. You confirmed that to be the case. Practically any film can expose stars so long as the exposure settings are appropriate. However, no set of exposure settings for stars will also properly expose sunlit objects.

We told you this 400 pages ago.

Vixen admitted it 400 pages ago. She's been lying ever since.

 

[JayUtah]

AI slop, AGAIN!!!

Quite likely. No recognizable constellations.

 

[Steve]

Here's an example of how black and white photography is perfectly capable of producing a starry night photo.

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Apropos of nothing, and the reality of that picture notwithstanding, has anyone anywhere in this thread ever even remotely suggested that stars in the night sky cannot be photographed? Given suitable camera settings and film, of course.

You really are approaching complete irrationality with this post.

 

[Vixen]

Also, not one person has denied that standard black and white (or even colour) film can be used to capture images of stars.

That was NEVER the point. The point is that you can't capture images of stars using the settings that were available on the Hasselblad cameras that the astronauts had on the Moon, because capturing images of stars wasn't an aim at that stage.

Sorry, that appears to be a post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy; re your claim, there are no stars because either NASA didn't want them or 'It is not possible to film a starry sky from the Moon surface using Ektachrome ASA160'. There are no stars because who needs'em anyway..?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

It was claimed that use of superior b&w film was not feasible.

Firstly, no, that is a stupid mangling of what was said.

Is that even a real photograph?

I think it isn't but even if it were a real photograph, I would be entirely confident in claiming it was not taken with a hand-held film camera.

The ball is in your court.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Sorry, that appears to be a post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy; re your claim, there are no stars because either NASA didn't want them or 'It is not possible to film a starry sky from the Moon surface using Ektachrome ASA160'. There are no stars because who needs'em anyway..?

Stop pretending to be even more stupid than you are.