Nessie
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I have not watched the video and was not replying in relation to specifically it. I was making a more general point.
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The behaviour of UK police officers.
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I have not watched the video and was not replying in relation to specifically it. I was making a more general point.
You choose to ignore the video, but wanted to make a general point based on the content of the video?
You now insist that you were not replying to that video (about police driving badly) when you wrote your defence of such poor driving.
Interesting.
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Nessie
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You choose to ignore the video, but wanted to make a general point based on the content of the video?
You now insist that you were not replying to that video (about police driving badly) when you wrote your defence of such poor driving.
Interesting.
When I said "The police, despite their enhanced driver training, will make mistakes..." I was not defending them.
Nipping out to buy sports equipment? Intending to buy a baseball bat? That's OK because carrying a baseball bat in the UK is NOT illegal just because it's capable of inflicting serious injury. It helps, though, if you have reasonable cause.
Given that the guy had just bought it and it was still in the package he's good to go about his business, right? WRONG!
In minutes he's assaulted and brought to the ground then has a noxious substance sprayed into his face. That noxious substance is pepper spray and the assaulter is a police officer.
Look, it's an easy mistake to make, to think a guy walking down a main shopping street in Manchester carrying a baseball bat is up to no good. What makes the mistake ultra egregious is the fact that multiple people tell the officer "it's in the package!" and that, not for one single, short moment doesn't give him pause..
Pretty soon more of the goon squad turn up and off to jail goes the man who went out to buy sports equipment.
What has the Manchester Police got to say about this? ◊◊◊◊ all, they apparently don't give a ◊◊◊◊ how this looks.
Given that the guy had just bought it and it was still in the package he's good to go about his business, right? WRONG!
In minutes he's assaulted and brought to the ground then has a noxious substance sprayed into his face. That noxious substance is pepper spray and the assaulter is a police officer.
Look, it's an easy mistake to make, to think a guy walking down a main shopping street in Manchester carrying a baseball bat is up to no good. What makes the mistake ultra egregious is the fact that multiple people tell the officer "it's in the package!" and that, not for one single, short moment doesn't give him pause..
Pretty soon more of the goon squad turn up and off to jail goes the man who went out to buy sports equipment.
What has the Manchester Police got to say about this? ◊◊◊◊ all, they apparently don't give a ◊◊◊◊ how this looks.
Nessie
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If you want to buy a baseball bat, a knife, axe or anything that would cause concern if you are to carry it in public, bring a bag with you that will fit the item so it is out of sight & if the police do challenge you, stay calm, cooperate, show them the receipt and that you are shopping, rather than out to cause fear or alarm.
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You mean, conceal the weapon?
Can you tell me what law was broken?
I'll admit that we haven't seen the initial approach but nonetheless, no law was broken. Once the officer was appraised of the situation he could have broken off and reassessed. He didn't, he did what cops always do...
1) Make the situation worse.
2) Attempt to put the person on the wrong side of the law.
3) Escalate, escalate, escalate!
I'm absolutely confident that when this man was stopped he gave the officer a mouthful and rightfully so. He was going about his business, breaking no laws whatsoever. I'm absolutely confident that the officers fragile ego got hurt. That's never going to go down well when you are dealing with a petty tyrant.
Looking at the video it might even be the case that the officer never even attempted to question the man but breenged right in. There is nothing at all correct or defensible in this cops entire interaction.
It doesn't get any better when his cronies show up.
Suspicion isn't a crime, being or looking suspicious is not a criminal offence. What probable cause was the officer working from when he went to disarm this man? You know the difference between suspicion and probable cause.
This'll end up a civil case and you and me, as tax payers, will foot the bill.
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Seems to be around £10,000 a claim.
Here's the *cost...
- National Totals: Investigative reports covering multiple UK police forces show overall compensation running upwards of £20 million to £29 million annually.
- Types of Claims: Payouts cover wrongful arrest, malicious prosecution, assault, negligence, and data protection breaches
*AI sourced.
smartcooky
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Maybe he should have told them its a ceremonial bat, then it would be all good. Amirite?
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Really? Do you hear yourself @Nessie? The public have to take active measures to ensure that police don't suspect them of a crime now? That is some ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up thinking right there!!
The bat was in its cellophane wrapping FFS! And he offered to show them the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ receipt.
The defense of really bad indefensible Police behaviour in this thread is beyond belief. This cop was out of control, just like the cops that arrested the victim of an assault and let the bashers go free, and the cops who handcuffed the dying victim of a vicious stabbing.
Police bosses have admitted they have a policy of uneven policing, with minorities getting more lenient treatment (which means going harder on whitey). And that is being DEFENDED by skeptics here? Un*******believable!!. "With out fear or favour" seems to have taken a back seat to both political correctness and expediency.
Sure, police bosses will keep admitting to the cops getting stuff wrong, but nothing changes - COPS KEEP GETTING STUFF WRONG.
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smartcooky
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They keep committing the same cock-ups over and over again. When the ◊◊◊◊ are they going to learn...are they ever going to learn?
What has to change is punishment for the cops involved - no more payouts from the tax/rate payer... A cop cocks-up like this, it hits them in the wallet.
I'm still waiting to hear the full story. What happened before filming started?
According to this story, the bat had been purchased a week before, not just before the incident.
Police defend arrest of baseball bat-wielding man in busy Manchester street | LBC
Manchester Police said that after enquiries they discovered the bat had been purchased a week earlier, but said they could not prove any intent
www.lbc.co.uk
The statistics consistently show the opposite, British ethnic minorities are more likely to be arrested, charged, prosecuted and punished at a higher rate than British white ethnicities. (Never mind prior encounters with the police.)
And every single report and inquiry which has happened shows that the police are racist against British black and British Asian folk, are sexist to the point of misogyny, and even racist within that aspect.
P.J. Denyer
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I'm still waiting to hear the full story. What happened before filming started?
According to this story, the bat had been purchased a week before, not just before the incident.
Police defend arrest of baseball bat-wielding man in busy Manchester street | LBC
Manchester Police said that after enquiries they discovered the bat had been purchased a week earlier, but said they could not prove any intent
My first thought on watching the video was that I was surprised that the shop wouldn't have insisted on putting it in a carrier bag.
smartcooky
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If there was anything untoward during that period, police bosses would not have dropped it like a hot potato the way they did
And this is relevant because?According to this story, the bat had been purchased a week before, not just before the incident.
Police defend arrest of baseball bat-wielding man in busy Manchester street | LBC
Manchester Police said that after enquiries they discovered the bat had been purchased a week earlier, but said they could not prove any intent
smartcooky
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I don't think they have mate!
Would you care to explain why the purchase date might be relevant? There was no "incident" given that all charges have been dropped.I'm still waiting to hear the full story. What happened before filming started?
According to this story, the bat had been purchased a week before, not just before the incident.
Police defend arrest of baseball bat-wielding man in busy Manchester street | LBC
Manchester Police said that after enquiries they discovered the bat had been purchased a week earlier, but said they could not prove any intent
Sorry, I thought it would be obvious, but clearly not. Because, if true, it's a discrepancy from the story being told by most of the people passing it on. The story, as presented on social media, was that the man had just walked out of the shop having bought the baseball bat. That would be a legitimate reason to be walking around town with it. If he had actually bought it a week before, then it is less obvious why he should have been walking around a shopping centre carrying it, whether it still has the original packing on or not.
And, as I said, I'd like more details of what led up to what we see on video. Did he do something to cause the policeman to believe he was a danger to passersby? Or was it, as presented, a complete error on behalf of the officer? I don't know, and reserve my judgement on the issue until we hear more.