Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[Darat]

From the horses mouth:

"...then those first videos start to become boring. Your brain starts to say, that’s not good enough. Soon you are watching rape fantasies – there are loads of categories like this on mainstream sites. Then it’s teenagers. The algorithms keep showing you more extreme stuff.”

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It is not like Youtube. He directly searched for that pornography and he would not have found it on any publicly faced website.

 

[Darat]

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It is not like Youtube. He directly searched for that pornography and he would not have found it on any publicly faced website.

All of the men mentioned in that piece are criminals, who sought out what they knew was illegal.

 

[Poem]

Andy: Andy had been watching and sharing images of children being sexually abused for several months before the police appeared at his door.
Mark: They said they had found 200 illegal images.
Hugh Edwards: after being found guilty of accessing indecent photographs of children as young as seven.

Ask yourself this how did the police know these were child abuse images?

I am specifically asking you to address your assumption about the age of the children in that article. Except for Huw Edwards, you haven't done so.

Why are you assuming prepubescence? The article uses the phrase: under 18.

 

[Poem]

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It is not like Youtube. He directly searched for that pornography and he would not have found it on any publicly faced website.

You are affirming that San Jose State University is incorrect?

 

[Poem]

All of the men mentioned in that piece are criminals, who sought out what they knew was illegal.

No, that is your assumption. Accepting that porn users might spiral down a rabbit hole, fed by a rapacious algorithm, doesn't sit well with you for some reason.

 

[theprestige]

So it looks like rape rates in the west have been decreasing since at least 1990, even as porn availability and use have been increasing. More porn correlates with less rape.

 

[Poem]

So it looks like rape rates in the west have been decreasing since at least 1990, even as porn availability and use have been increasing. More porn correlates with less rape.

And yet VAWG is a national emergence in the UK.
Sexual assault, rape, sexual harassment, stalking, and domestic abuse form the backbone of these statistics. (The Guardian).

 

[TragicMonkey]

And yet VAWG is a national emergence in the UK.
Sexual assault, rape, sexual harassment, stalking, and domestic abuse form the backbone of these statistics. (The Guardian).

Colon cancer rates are rising also. Do you think that's due to the increasing availability of porn?

 

[Darat]

No, that is your assumption. Accepting that porn users might spiral down a rabbit hole, fed by a rapacious algorithm, doesn't sit well with you for some reason.

Because it isn't true.

 

[Poem]

Law enforcement agencies and child protection organizations (such as the Internet Watch Foundation and Europol) frequently report that much of the distribution of child porn and initial contact takes place on the open web, via standard file-sharing platforms, cloud storage, open forums, and end-to-end encrypted messaging services.

 

[Poem]

Because it isn't true.

Citation. On my desk by 7pm.

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

Another surprise for you: Unlike in movies, people in porn videos have actual sex!

Which still applies to lots of other entertainment. People in boxing matches or MMA actually punch each other, for example. But there is still a difference between what happens there among consenting athletes and domestic assault and battery. And I don't think many people are confused enough to think that if the former is ok, then so must be the latter.

Well, that's the same difference between sex in porn movies and rape.

 

[theprestige]

And yet VAWG is a national emergence in the UK.

I don't know what that is.

Sexual assault, rape, sexual harassment, stalking, and domestic abuse form the backbone of these statistics. (The Guardian).

In the 2000s, the FBI changed its definition of rape victim to include men. This caused a huge jump in rape stats from that point. Anyone who didn't know what happened would get entirely the wrong idea.

 

[Poem]

I don't know what that is.

Translation: TP couldn't be bothered.

In the 2000s, the FBI changed its definition of rape victim to include men. This caused a huge jump in rape stats from that point. Anyone who didn't know what happened would get entirely the wrong idea.

You know for a fact this does not deal with what I wrote.

 

[Poem]

Which still applies to lots of other entertainment. People in boxing matches or MMA actually punch each other, for example. But there is still a difference between what happens there among consenting athletes and domestic assault and battery. And I don't think many people are confused enough to think that if the former is ok, then so must be the latter.

Well, that's the same difference between sex in porn movies and rape.

According to the National Institute of Health:
Approximately 15% to 40% of retired professional boxers show symptoms of chronic brain injury or long-term neurological damage. Clinical dementia and chronic traumatic brain injury (CTBI) specifically affect roughly 20% of professional fighters over their careers.

 

[theprestige]

And yet VAWG is a national emergence in the UK.
Sexual assault, rape, sexual harassment, stalking, and domestic abuse form the backbone of these statistics. (The Guardian).

It's a huge jump since 2018. Long after the web 2.0 porn deluge. My hypothesis is that this recent change has to do with recent changes to the UK's rape culture importation policy.

Out of curiosity, what does "national emergenc[y]" mean, in practical terms? Is the UKian government exercising emergency powers that supersede due process, to try to address this issue quickly?

 

[TragicMonkey]

Out of curiosity, what does "national emergenc[y]" mean, in practical terms?

I believe it means it's an official hissyfit.

 

[arthwollipot]

Neither is strangulation, by the way. Why the ◊◊◊◊ would somebody want to strangulate or even pretend to strangle somebody they're making love to? (This is not a rhetorical question!) People who are into that kind of thing usually can't come up with anything other than meaningless euphemisms, e.g. 'kink', which is just a way of avoiding having to explain anything at all – to oneself or others.

There is actually an answer to this question, if you care.

We were just talking about a prosecutor and a judge that helped a rapist get away with a slap on the wrist, and dann has already dragged the discussion back around to pornography.

It was always about pornography.

Nobody was murdered or raped in the movies referenced - but real sex does occur in porn.

We've been here before.

Tops and bottoms?

This question demonstrates your complete lack of experience or understanding of sex and sexuality.

A "top" is the person who takes a dominant role in sexual activity. Traditionally, the penetrating party in anal sex, but the term has come to mean any kind of dominant activity. "Topping" is the verb case. A "bottom" is the submissive party. These terms are "non-vanilla sex 101" - not the first (that's consent) but one of the first things you need to know before engaging in any kind of non-vanilla sexual activity. I'm most happy to be your educator in this matter.

Another surprise for you: Unlike in movies, people in porn videos have actual sex! They are not just pretending like the actors do when Dexter kills people or when Walter White cooks meth ... or when actors in the vast majority of mainstream movies simulate having sex instead of actually having it.
I'm surprised I also had to tell you about this diffference between porn videos and movies! I hope you can forgive me for not having used the spoiler-alert function.

We've been here before.

 

[arthwollipot]

And since people tend to fast-forward past the storyline to get to the sex scenes, it's nothing but a filler and entirely unimportant, which is yet another difference between porn videos and movies. People watching porn feel cheated if the porn actors only simulate having sex. People watching movies don't. It's the whole point of the money shot: the male actor proving to the audience that he actually comes and doesn't just pretend.

From where do you get this idea?

It would be interesting to know if young people also think that ejaculation outside of the vagina is a typical way of having sex.

It is. When I was taught sex education in high school, I was taught that the Withdrawal Method was one method of contraception - usually an unreliable one. Where did you learn about contraception that this wasn't mentioned?

Once again, you pretend that because people can tell obviously fictitious movies apart from real life, they can also tell that strangulation is just fiction in porn even though there is no way for a young naive person to know that and even though nobody can tell what it feels like for the one being strangulated.

You've clearly never watched any porn that features "strangulation". The person being strangled ("strangulated" isn't a word) is still breathing. Usually, because it's porn, moaning in simulated pleasure. If you're getting air in and out, then you're not being strangled.

Not every example of one person putting their hand on someone else's neck is strangulation.

It's true, there are people who engage in breath play. The smart ones know that it can be incredibly dangerous if it's not done properly - one of the most dangerous sexual activities people can do, in fact. And I'm not saying that there isn't porn of it. I'm saying that the supposed prevalence of it all over porn is mythological, as anybody who has actually seen any porn can very easily see.

strangulators

That's not a word either.

 

[arthwollipot]

You are affirming that San Jose State University is incorrect?

Are you affirming that San Jose State University is a perfect source of 100% reliable information?