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Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

I read a story once about a ship manned by robots who were seeking their origin. Long fruitless search. UNTIL they landed on a small planet that was most a destroyed civilization's rubble. The robots think they've hit the jackpot when they find a figure lying on the ground in their very shape. Turns out to be a statue. Bingo. But they don't know it, it's not "alive" to them. The search continued.
 
I read a story once about a ship manned by robots who were seeking their origin. Long fruitless search. UNTIL they landed on a small planet that was most a destroyed civilization's rubble. The robots think they've hit the jackpot when they find a figure lying on the ground in their very shape. Turns out to be a statue. Bingo. But they don't know it, it's not "alive" to them. The search continued.
Brown's 'Obedience'?
 
The length of the string?
Might as well be. Line of sight was a thing.

The astronaut on the left is the LMP. The one on the right is the CDR. The diagram doesn't explain the suit relay correctly.

As anyone knows who uses analog AM VHF voice comms routinely, you can't both transmit on the same frequency at the same time. The Apollo radio engineers solved the problem of two astronauts transmitting at the same time by daisy-chaining the LMP to the CDR. The LMP transmits voice and telemetry over FM Channel C to the CDR. The CDR's radio combines that with his own voice and telemetry and sends that to the LM over AM Channel B. The LM then relays the combined signal to Earth via the Unified S-band link.

When the LM receives voice from Houston, it relays it out to the astronauts on AM Channel A which they both receive directly. The diagram doesn't show this.

So how does the LMP hear the CDR? Listening to Channel B (CDR-to-LM) is problematic because while the telemetry was in a subcarrier on AM Channel B, you could still hear it. That would complicate the LMP's suit radio because it would need to filter out the subcarrier.

Did Larry Baysinger hear it? Yes, he did. He was listening on Channel B. Baysinger's recordings contain the telemetry subcarrier chirping away up in the higher frequencies. (ETA: He heard them but did not record them.) Amateurs listening into the telemetry from other missions could actually hear the feed change as the astronauts did strenuous activities that were registered in their suit biometrics.

The LMP hears the CDR's voice on Channel A, but as retransmitted by the LM (or the LRV in J-type missions). The LM's radio is allowed to be complicated, therefore it can filter out the telemetry subcarrier for the LMP's benefit. The diagram should have an arrow from the LM to the LMP representing AM Channel A, not a bidirectional arrow between the CDR and LMP for voice.

So to summarize the normal mode, the LMP transmits only on Channel C and receives only on Channel A. The CDR receives on Channels A and C, but transmits only on Channel B. The LM or LRV transmits VHF only on Channel A and receives VHF only on Channel B. That's how the frequencies were deconflicted to avoid interference and heterodynes.

There was a simplex mode available in the case of local LM/LRV relay failure. The astronauts could switch to use Channel B exclusively. But they had to switch to push-to-talk (PTT) and obey standard VHF single-frequency protocol. They were experienced pilots, so this is second-nature. Even in a failed local relay condition, it was conceivable that the LM's Channel B to USB connection was still working, so what they both said would be heard in Houston. But in this mode they can't hear Houston over Channel A. Therefore simplex mode was divided in a Mode A and Mode B in which the CDR could hear Houston over Channel A and also the LMP over Channel B, but the LMP could hear only the CDR on Channel B (not Channel A).

Failing that, there's a cable you can plug into the RCU and talk directly between the suits.

Failing that (and this was largely untested), you can raise all the visors and physically touch the "fishbowl" helmets and yell. It was believed there could be enough acoustic coupling to allow this.
 
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You'd almost think some clever buggers worked on this fake!
You betcha.

And their cleverness has been extraordinarily preserved in piles of engineering drawings and documents and remaining hardware. People like Mike Stewart and Jean-Marc Verdiell gather up the old hardware, repair it, and have more or less completely reconstructed the entire Apollo computing and communications system using only what was written down at the time.

The people who built the Apollo comm system not only believed they were building a fully functional system, they actually built a fully functional system. So no, it's not a matter of some highers-up just telling these people what to do and they dumbly going through the motions. I know this argument is a thorn in the side of our local conspiracy theorist, but that's because it's an incredibly strong argument. The people who would most know whether all this stuff worked or not are the hundreds of thousands of people who actually designed and built it, not some lone mustache-twirling supervillain in the C-Suite.

So when some bloke comes along and says, "No, it was all fake," these people can rise up and say with full authority: "It absolutely was not; we really did it like we said we did." And other equally knowledgeable and committed people can come along afterwards and say with full authority: "It absolutely was not fake; they really did it like they said they did."
 
Something similar was developed for the RN in WW2 A group 'Talk Between Ships' system to allow the captains of anti submarine escort ships to coordinate their attacks without 'walking over' each other. The ships had their own transmission channels and the ship leading the attack broadcast on a common channel for all to hear.
It was a big innovation at the time and as important as the development of the various AS weapons.
 
I should have written, the ship leading the attack would combine and rebroadcast the other ships transmissions on a separate common channel for the other ships captains to hear each other. Like a group chat.
 
Since you asked me a direct question pertaining to the topic of the thread, here is an image of the sun rising on a Moon surface dawn which was amongst the first to come up on BING.

What do you notice in the sky?

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Caption:

Lunar dawn awakens with the sun rising over the rugged Moon surface revealing detailed craters and a starry indigo sky. A breathtaking view captures the moment when the sun rises over the Moon's rugged surface, illuminating craters and rocky terrain with a warm, golden glow against a deep indigo sky. ​


(AI Generated Image)

NB
You will see grey shaded areas because it is digitally enhanced to do so.
Vixen, please explain what this AI slop is supposed to prove? This image isn't "a satellite digitally enhanced" photo, it isn't taken from a satellite, and isn't a photo at all. It's an entirely AI generated image which was immediately obviously to everyone. Only after being told multiple times did you then go back and edit you post to say it was AI generated.

Are you willing to admit that an obviously AI generated image of the moon (as taken from the moon's surface!) cannot prove anything about stars, shadows, etc.?

Can you please explain in plain English what this AI slop is supposed to prove? (watch: you can't and won't, and will weasel your way out somehow, perhaps with a stupid analogy about 16th century priests or something)
 

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