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Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

JayUtah said:
Yet another dog's breakfast. It's hilarious watching @Vixen conflate and confuse practically every concept in the refueling scenario while at the same time insisting she's the one teaching us all about it.

Almost as if she's not really this confused and is only playing a character...
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It has to be deliberate.
 
Steve said:
Vixen will be back.
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If she does, let's hope she has some new material. Chewing the scenery with the same old schtick is getting less and less entertaining. Disappointing too, as I had high hopes we'd hit 250 pages today.

zooterkin said:
Good grief, Charlie Brown! You can't even get two words in the right order, or even spelt correctly.
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It's the kind of thing someone would do when they're making deliberate mistakes just to get a rise out of people.

I'd be happy to discuss the merits of her claims regarding space exploration, but it's just too much effort to correct all her factual errors.
 
Andy_Ross said:
It's not uncommon for the bride and groom to have photos taken at a later date if the weather is bad.
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An experienced wedding photographer will always have backup plans in depth. For outdoor weddings there's usually an indoor backup. Shooting on the day, before the ceremony, was my mentor's go-to plan.

When I shot my sister's wedding to a naval officer (she being an Army officer...) it would have been hard to reassemble the party. It included his vessel's commanding officer and a suitable retinue of sailors, Army officers, and Marines flown in, with swords and medals.
 
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Vixen said:
There was only the thin aluminium walls of the spacecraft and as Trevor Weaver points out, Houston didn't ask them how they felt once they'd [supposedly] passed through the Belts, which one would expect given, (a) it's the first time, (b) the real hazards of radiation sickness and (c) it had Van Allen on the NASA team who highlighted the dangers in his 1958 paper. On splashdown, the astronauts were squirted with antiseptic. Thus, radiation was never a problem here and we have to ask why.

The Gemini AIU was modified to be safer. So the issue was spotted.
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There were not just "thin aluminium walls"
You have been shown the actual structure and composition of the walls in great detail.

Why are you repeating the same lie?
 
Andy_Ross said:
What is the difference in the structure?
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The Orion (not Gemini) spacecraft is indeed more heavily shielded than the Apollo capsule.

The Orion spacecraft is built to a higher shielding factor for at least two reasons. First, our health standards for astronauts are more stringent. Astronaut is an occupation now, not a derring-do hero scenario. As such, federal regulations impose standards on exposure to hazards which may not simply be waived or signed away. Second, Orion is intended for longer-term habitation and so cannot rely on being operated only for brief periods of time.

However, as I pointed out above, the higher radiation protection standards to which Orion (and presumably Starship) must be engineered for the nominal case are already met and exceeded by the Apollo spacecraft—albeit without an engineering margin. Orion provides that margin, which is why it is an acceptable design for the modern age. But by international standards, the Apollo command module provided a suitable shielding factor.

Because @Vixen doesn't know anything about physics, all she can do is keep repeating the many-times-debunked claim that the command module had only a "thin aluminum skin." She's been told many times what the actual composition of the spacecraft is. She simply doesn't care. She's committed to the lie.
 
Vixen said:
"ice-filled craters on the side of the Moon that has never had any sunlight" does not equate to 'Dark Side of the Moon'. If I meant dark side I would have said dark side, or far side.
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The "dark side" is not the same as the "far side". The far side of the moon is the light side as often as it is the dark side.
Vixen said:
Admit it, refuelling by 'water' mined from the Moon wasn't even in your consciousness. Hence, the once-again banana-skin mockery in which you were hoist by your own petard.
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Vixen, everyone here with a decades long interest in space exploration, myself included, has known about the lunar water ice hypothesis for a long lime, and about its confirmation for several years. We've even known that there appears to be more water ice than anticipated. Apollo even provided the first evidence of lunar water molecules contained within returned samples, but this was thought for some time to have been the result of contamination, until later automatic sample returns confirmed its presence. We weren't questioning the presence of water ice on the moon, nor its possible uses for providing hydrogen and oxygen for use as propellants (among other uses). We're wondering why someone talking about permanently shadowed areas within some south polar craters would refer to a side of the moon that has never had sunlight.

And what does this latest squirrel chase of yours have to do with your claim that the ISS has been used for, or is intended to be used for orbital refueling?

Why are you seemingly incapable of admitting that there is any subject that you don't understand as well as anyone?
 
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JayUtah said:
The Orion (not Gemini) spacecraft is indeed more heavily shielded than the Apollo capsule.

The Orion spacecraft is built to a higher shielding factor for at least two reasons. First, our health standards for astronauts are more stringent. Astronaut is an occupation now, not a derring-do hero scenario. As such, federal regulations impose standards on exposure to hazards which may not simply be waived or signed away. Second, Orion is intended for longer-term habitation and so cannot rely on being operated only for brief periods of time.

However, as I pointed out above, the higher radiation protection standards to which Orion (and presumably Starship) must be engineered for the nominal case are already met and exceeded by the Apollo spacecraft—albeit without an engineering margin. Orion provides that margin, which is why it is an acceptable design for the modern age. But by international standards, the Apollo command module provided a suitable shielding factor.

Because @Vixen doesn't know anything about physics, all she can do is keep repeating the many-times-debunked claim that the command module had only a "thin aluminum skin." She's been told many times what the actual composition of the spacecraft is. She simply doesn't care. She's committed to the lie.
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I know, I wanted some details from Vixen.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
No. That's wrong.

If you had read this thread as we went along you would know the construction of the capsule was more complex than that, and that the materials used were chosen for specific properties which are relevant here.

It seems you did not absorb the information.
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Rather like the astronauts that didn't absorb the raditation!
 
Vixen said:
There was only the thin aluminium walls of the spacecraft and as Trevor Weaver points out, Houston didn't ask them how they felt once they'd [supposedly] passed through the Belts, which one would expect given, (a) it's the first time, (b) the real hazards of radiation sickness and (c) it had Van Allen on the NASA team who highlighted the dangers in his 1958 paper. On splashdown, the astronauts were squirted with antiseptic. Thus, radiation was never a problem here and we have to ask why.

The Gemini AIU was modified to be safer. So the issue was spotted.
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Repeating the same ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ doesn't stop it being ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊.
 
Vixen said:
I think the key element is some kind of trapped 'oxygen' which as you know is one of the elements of water, the Moon otherwise being completely dehydrated. So it's one of the futuristic ideas of Musk and his 'refuelling' research for when they try Mars.
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Ah, so water might contain some sort of trapped oxygen. Do go on.
 
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