Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

[Smock]

No, I know your source for this and he is not correct.

The Hasseblad cameras were modified to eliminate some of the shutter speeds (including bulb), but the surface photography used 1/125 and 1/250 second routinely. There was a paddle to switch between them. Three f-stops were routinely used: f/5.6, f/8, and f/11. Again, a paddle to switch between them.

The problem with Allen's claim is that Ektachrome has a notoriously narrow exposure latitude. If you're going to bracket, you need to bracket by half-stops. But the Zeiss Biogon lens did not offer fractional stops, nor would it have been especially easy to adjust them in space gloves. The conspiracy theorists—including Allen—tell us how impossible it would have been to operate cameras wearing space suit gloves. Then they turn around and try to tell us they should have been doing all these fine-adjustment operations to ensure good exposure.

As usual, Marcus Allen doesn't know what he's talking about. Consequently @Vixen—who continues to rely on him even knowing that he was a liar and an ignoramus—is also wrong.

Thanks for the correction. I defer to your obvious expertise in the subject (See Vixen, that is how it is done).

 

[JayUtah]

You are simply trying to conceal the fact you didn't know 'water' could be mined from the Moon so now you are pretending it was a booboo by me to conceal your ill-founded mockery.

You do realize we talk extensively about space exploration in other parts of the forum, including plans to use water ice on the Moon for various purposes including making fuel.

 

[threadworm]

"ice-filled craters on the side of the Moon that has never had any sunlight" does not equate to 'Dark Side of the Moon'. If I meant dark side I would have said dark side, or far side.

Admit it, refuelling by 'water' mined from the Moon wasn't even in your consciousness. Hence, the once-again banana-skin mockery in which you were hoist by your own petard.

There isn't a person in this thread unaware of water ice in permanently dark regions of the moon (north and south polar regions). There is only one person in this thread referring ro those areas as "sides". That person is being mocked for claiming superior knowledge that they clearly lack.

 

[JayUtah]

Thanks for the correction. I defer to your obvious expertise in the subject (See Vixen, that is how it is done).

Thanks; I was privileged to inspect and operate one of those cameras for several hours. I took notes.

 

[JayUtah]

Ah right. That explains it.

Yes, it does.

What remains unexplained is why you keep citing to Marcus Allen as a purportedly reliable source? You've cited him and then discovered he was lying. You've cited him on matters that are clearly outside his expertise, such as spacecraft design.

Why are you so faithful to these obviously unreliable sources?

 

[P.J. Denyer]

I apprenticed with a wedding photographer. You meter the key shots, obviously. I shot the candids. I didn't use a meter. I used my skill and such rules as "sunny sixteen."

Exposure bracketing is one technique you can use if you are unsure about the exposure and you need to get it exactly right. It's neither mandatory nor the only thing available to adapt to difficult conditions. Allen is just groping for something else bad to say bad about the Apollo photography. He's not a photo expert.

I wasn't primarily a wedding photographer, but I did a couple for people I'd done event or corporate photography for. People don't want to stand around long for the key shots, so as you say you meter them, and in my experience multiple shots were more about Aunt Dorothy turning round to talk to someone as you said "Say Cheese".

But the great shots were the ones that you only had one chance to get.

 

[turingtest]

"Where is the Ross Ice Shelf?"

"On the side of the earth."


You didn't say "craters that have never seen sunlight". You said "ice-filled craters on the side of the Moon that has never had any sunlight". Any English teacher is going to point out that that sentence implies that it's the side of the moon that never gets sunlight, not the craters.

Only Vixen could (or would) use the wrong words ("side of the moon that has never had any sunlight') to make a claim, then change those words to make a different claim ("some craters at the South Pole that haven't seen sunlight for billions of years"), and insist that therefore the original claim wasn't wrong; when, to most normal people, using the wrong words to say something means that what you said was just wrong. There's a very Trumpian level of inability to admit error there that makes it very tiring to engage, almost an exercise in futility.

 

[LondonJohn]

"ice-filled craters on the side of the Moon that has never had any sunlight" does not equate to 'Dark Side of the Moon'. If I meant dark side I would have said dark side, or far side.

LMAO You think that "dark side" and "far side" are synonymous wrt the Moon. How idiotic.

 

[Vixen]

Water ice in polar craters has been considered a possibility for some years. Nobody actually knows whether water (rather than 'water' whatever you think that is) can practically be mined there. It's still speculative. (My own suspicion is if there was water ice there it's likely had too long to gradually sublime away to still be there in useful quantities.)

No, your accusations of everyone else just Googling stuff is not going to fly.

I think the key element is some kind of trapped 'oxygen' which as you know is one of the elements of water, the Moon otherwise being completely dehydrated. So it's one of the futuristic ideas of Musk and his 'refuelling' research for when they try Mars.

 

[Vixen]

There isn't a person in this thread unaware of water ice in permanently dark regions of the moon (north and south polar regions). There is only one person in this thread referring ro those areas as "sides". That person is being mocked for claiming superior knowledge that they clearly lack.

If it makes you feel better. I once had a boss who used to bring me 'brainteasers' every morning.

 

[LondonJohn]

I think the key element is some kind of trapped 'oxygen' which as you know is one of the elements of water, the Moon otherwise being completely dehydrated. So it's one of the futuristic ideas of Musk and his 'refuelling' research for when they try Mars.

Why is the word "oxygen" in inverted commas? (Note my correct use of inverted commas here)

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Are 'oxygen' and oxygen different elements?

 

[LondonJohn]

If it makes you feel better. I once had a boss who used to bring me 'brainteasers' every morning.

You're not the smartest person in this thread. Plenty of others (notably Jay of course) are handing you your arse on a very regular basis. Maybe listen and learn for a while?

 

[turingtest]

If the ice elements are deep in a crater in a specific area of the Moon then that is the side of the Moon that will be mined.

You are simply trying to conceal the fact you didn't know 'water' could be mined from the Moon so now you are pretending it was a booboo by me to conceal your ill-founded mockery.

End of.

"Side of the Moon that will be mined" is not the same claim as "side of the Moon that has never seen sunlight."

End of.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

Nobody said it can't. But remember how the Soviets had their module crashed into the surface (they claim) just before Apollo 11, in an effort to beat them?

To beat them at what? The US and Soviets had both already landed several craft on the moon at that point.

 

[Vixen]

Only Vixen could (or would) use the wrong words ("side of the moon that has never had any sunlight') to make a claim, then change those words to make a different claim ("some craters at the South Pole that haven't seen sunlight for billions of years"), and insist that therefore the original claim wasn't wrong; when, to most normal people, using the wrong words to say something means that what you said was just wrong. There's a very Trumpian level of inability to admit error there that makes it very tiring to engage, almost an exercise in futility.

I marvel that people claim to know what I really meant. That is really kind of you to let me know.

 

[Smock]

If it makes you feel better. I once had a boss who used to bring me 'brainteasers' every morning.

It's a shame some bosses can be that cruel.

 

[JayUtah]

I marvel that people claim to know what I really meant. That is really kind of you to let me know.

You're the one constantly trying to tell us that the words you use mean different things when you use them.

 

[JayUtah]

To beat them at what? The US and Soviets had both already landed several craft on the moon at that point.

The last-ditch effort was a sample return mission. Had it succeeded, it would have returned a lunar sample to Earth before Apollo 11 returned with their own samples.

 

[LondonJohn]

I marvel that people claim to know what I really meant. That is really kind of you to let me know.

Turingtest is not making that claim. Try reading for comprehension.